The Penis (smooth) Muscle Theory

Sean Jacobs

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I was reading an interesting article on the Journal of Biological Chemistry website about smooth muscle cell growth. It appears that "mechanically stretching" of smooth muscle tissue can stimulate cell growth (both in the number of cells and the size of the cells).

Here is an excerpt from the article:

[h=2]RESULTS[/h]Mechanical Stretch of VSMCs Stimulates Cell Growth—VSMCs were mechanically stretched to stimulate cell growth. After 48 h of stretch, the cells exhibited a significant 5-fold increase in proliferating cell nuclear antigen expression when compared with non-stretched control cells (Fig. 1A). This would suggest that the stretched cells were actively entering the cell cycle. Cell counts confirmed that the cells were completing the cell cycle. There was a significant increase in cell number in a time-dependent manner as a function of the stretch stimulus (Fig. 1B). Both of these effects were blocked in the presence of a MAPK inhibitor PD98059 (Fig. 1, Aand B).Cell hypertrophy is another type of cell growth that may be stimulated by cell stretching. Cell hypertrophy was determined using the cytoplasmic probe calcein AM to measure total cell volume. Cells stimulated by stretching exhibited a significant increase in cell size compared with the non-stretched control group (Fig. 1C). This too was blocked in the presence of 1 μM PD98059. These results demonstrate that mechanical stretching is capable of inducing both hyperplasia and hypertrophy in the SMCs and that this appears to occur in an MAPK-dependent manner.

This could explain why PE works to increase penis size. We jelq, hang, stretch, pump, etc...which all, so some extent, stretch the cells of the smooth muscle tissue in the penis, which then induces the cells to create new cells and causes the cells to become larger.

Just an observation.
 

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I tried to find out what "MAPK inhibitor PD98059" is and the scientific jargon I found was over my head. However, one article mentioned "etrogenic effects". So keeping estrogen low and testosterone high may help. But I am just speculating.
 

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Yes but they said 48 hours stretch. They couldn't pay me to sit there and stretch my penis for 48 hours, unless there was a 1 inch guarantee. :p
 

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Yes but they said 48 hours stretch. They couldn't pay me to sit there and stretch my penis for 48 hours, unless there was a 1 inch guarantee. :p

I agree. But it is possible that any form of cell stretching could trigger hyperplasia and hypertrophy as long as it was consistent.
 

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Yes but isn't that already known? Isn't that what extenders do and research says? Maybe Im missing something. What I would like to know is what chemical compound could enhance the process.Maybe IGF, TB4 or MGF. Something that can increase cell proliferations and division.
 

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Yes but isn't that already known? Isn't that what extenders do and research says? Maybe Im missing something. What I would like to know is what chemical compound could enhance the process.Maybe IGF, TB4 or MGF. Something that can increase cell proliferations and division.

The issue would be using a compound which would specifically target the tissue of the penis. I don't think it would possible to do that without using injections directly into the site.
 

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This is all very interesting and makes sense. My only question that remains is what are your thoughts on how long to do exercises and how often? The consensus on stretching muscles in general is 20-30 seconds, once or twice a day, 4-7 days a week. For building muscle, it's two to three times a week, two to three sets per workout.

So would it actually be detrimental to use an ADS every day? How does smooth muscle and the tunica compare to skeletal muscle? Should we be taking a break twice a week? Should we be stretching and pumping/jelqing/clamping less often? How much is too much, if there is a too much?
 

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The tunica will always be the limit to stretch smc.
As I understand the smc in this study where disconnected outside of anything else.

How would you go on about stretching smc ? Maybe through 80% bends or bundles where the smc are expanded but not so much limited by the tunica...
 

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This is all very interesting and makes sense. My only question that remains is what are your thoughts on how long to do exercises and how often? The consensus on stretching muscles in general is 20-30 seconds, once or twice a day, 4-7 days a week. For building muscle, it's two to three times a week, two to three sets per workout.

So would it actually be detrimental to use an ADS every day? How does smooth muscle and the tunica compare to skeletal muscle? Should we be taking a break twice a week? Should we be stretching and pumping/jelqing/clamping less often? How much is too much, if there is a too much?
I have the same doubt haha but now I strech less than in the past and my units hangs a little bit more, could be I was overtraining in the past or acumulation work with the years...
 

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Break gains is mysterious and poses some important questions.

Does gains happen instantly during the applied stress, like when you increase the length of a rubberband by stretching it (plastic deformation), and/or do gains happen during breaks after the applied stresses (actual growth)? The latter implies that we trigger some kind of growth mechanism that actually results in an increase of mass (similar to how the penis grows naturally?), how else could you get gains during a break, if that is what's happening?

I think it depends on your routine.
According to this SM theory:
If muscle is overtrained it doesn't grow.
It breaks apart and gets smaller.
So if one uses a daily workout, the SM doesn't grow!?

During a break it can finally grow.
The erections help and maintain the growth.
And pressure on the tunica is increased.

Would be interesting to know how many had break gains
and what routine they had before the break.
Anyone?
 

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Also, what about the GLANS???

I'm under the impression that the glans doesn't have a tunica.
If so, couldn't we compare/analyze results on, shaft versus head girth gains?
 

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Very interesting guys! I experienced "break gains" during my last decon break. I gained 1/4" length in the first two weeks and then leveled out for two months. (Unfortunately, I lost 1/4" girth.)
But this time (I am now in my second month decon) I have lost 1/4" length AND 1/4" girth. My BPFSL has dropped about 1/4" to 3/8" also.

• The only difference is, with my last decon break I traction wrapped for the entire time. It may have kept me from loosing length?

Unfortunately, I didn't gain any faster upon returning so I reasoned the wrapping may have hindered my deconditioning. This time I have not wrapped but hopfully gains will speed up upon return.

What does the smooth muscle do anyways?
Push and Pull blood around?
If we know, then we can train it to do better.

I don't really understood what traction wrapping is.
But if it means that it is constraining the penis somewhat,
then the penis needs to workout to keep the fresh blood flowing.

Maybe that explains the gains.
The sm had a continuous moderate workout. ?
 

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Hi, my name is Edward, new here, so forgive me if I have missed anything that I'm asking, I 47 years of age, up until 2 month ago very sexually active, however all of a sudden I had lost my 10 raging hard on to what I suspect is now a 4 at very best. I get rock hard in the middle of the night sometimes, and rarely in the morning, however when I'm with women, I get semi hard and it dies instantly.
been to the doctors who have given me a trial of tablets, VIAGRA, CIALIS, and a couple of others, and sadly none worked, this morning I met up for sex with a FWB, and I overdosed the 100mg to 200mg and yet nothing,
anyone experienced this, or am I doomed?
 

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Hi,

You should re post this as your own new thread under Erectile Dysfunction. I'm afraid that replying to a thread from 2006 won't get much traction.

Also, see your doctor as this may be acute or chronic.

A testosterone measurement may be in order.

PS Most importantly, best of luck. These matters are very critical to us as men. It can never be overstated.
 
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Hi, my name is Edward, new here, so forgive me if I have missed anything that I'm asking, I 47 years of age, up until 2 month ago very sexually active, however all of a sudden I had lost my 10 raging hard on to what I suspect is now a 4 at very best. I get rock hard in the middle of the night sometimes, and rarely in the morning, however when I'm with women, I get semi hard and it dies instantly.
been to the doctors who have given me a trial of tablets, VIAGRA, CIALIS, and a couple of others, and sadly none worked, this morning I met up for sex with a FWB, and I overdosed the 100mg to 200mg and yet nothing,
anyone experienced this, or am I doomed?
Welcome to the gym Edward 070. Like Discrete mentioned you might want to start in a different thread. First try the introduce yourself thread. Tell your story. Then find the area you would like to work on in your life and move in that direction.

If you haven't already, or even if you have do it again. Check out the start here tab at the top of the page. A ton of info hidden in there.

Good luck.
 

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@Iguana, hiw did the L-Arginine help you and where can i find it inexpensively?


I hope you are right. I'm very eager to get back in the saddle and test some of these new ideas. I'm halfway to having my routine worked out.

I was just starting to kegel when I broke my tail bone sledding. Now if I try it, it feels like someone is hitting me in the butt with a sledgehammer. I do plan on starting back up when I'm healed up.

I'm also going to start back on L-Arginine, Yohimbe and Ginko. I had great success with the L-Arginine but stopped taking it while on break to give my body a rest from it.
 

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@Iguana, hiw did the L-Arginine help you and where can i find it inexpensively?
Arginine is a precursor to Nitric Oxide production, which is a vasodilator. It expands the blood vessels. I've personally had better results from Citrulline Malate and Ornithine Alpha Ketoglutarate (OKG). OKG is gonna be the best bang for your buck in all-around health. I get mine from bulksupplements.com, which can also be found on amazon.com