still struggling to understand reverse kegel

[kazuma]

I've seen explained on many threads on this before. I just don't understand the mechanic. I know the goal is to relax the BC muscles. But for me, it only seems like my abdominal muscles are just pushing down when I try. My BC muscles don't really relax well when I try. Is there no actual muscle that reverses with the BC? Is it just gut pressure that causes the BC to flatten out?

I have been finding that I can get the BC muscles to relax better with some mental connection. Is that just as good?

 

[Bones]

Next time you pee, Instead of stopping the urine(kegel) push it out as hard as you can and you will find out how to reverse kegel.

Hope it helps...

 

[kazuma]

Next time you pee, Instead of stopping the urine(kegel) push it out as hard as you can and you will find out how to reverse kegel.

Hope it helps...

Yeah, I've done that, but for me it's just lower abdominal pressure. When doing so, my BC holds a slight static hold (slight non-moving contraction).

 

[Bones]

Try sitting on a chair but placing a tennis ball between your balls and bumhole.

This should help you feel when the muscle relaxes and contracts.

 

[kazuma]

Thanks, I'll try that. Though I do know the feeling of relaxation of the muscle. It just doesn't seem to happen by any pushing out.

 

[Bones]

I had the same problem. It just takes deep breathes and some concentration and you will get it.

Goodluck man

 

[Pegasus]

I noticed this some time ago ,there seems to be 2 sorts of reverse kegel. The first you feel in the lower abs, the second in the taint area betwween the balls and arsehole. Some members seem to get one sort more than the other. I seem to be ale to do the lower ab one seperately or both together. Is anyone able to do both seperately?

 

[Bones]

I noticed this some time ago ,there seems to be 2 sorts of reverse kegel. The first you feel in the lower abs, the second in the taint area betwween the balls and arsehole. Some members seem to get one sort more than the other. I seem to be ale to do the lower ab one seperately or both together. Is anyone able to do both seperately?

Same here.

Its like going to the toilet.

You can piss without shitting but you cant sh*t without pissing.

 

[Nom1]

I understand the concept of the reverse kegel and i practise it along with kegels every other day...

My question is : How do you reverse kegel without actually coming close to pissing/shitting(or even farting), for me its almost impossible to do a reverse kegel if i need to do any of these things....

 

[kazuma]

Tried it. That's the muscle. So would you say a "push out" feeling isn't necessary so long as you get it relaxed?

 

[Pegasus]

You may feel more push out, as you get stronger ar the movement kaz.

Nom, practise it takes time.

 

[Nom1]

Another question maybe off-topic. i've been reading this forum for quite too long, i wasn't exactly a premature ejaculator but i wasnt happy with my time nevertheless, i have increased my stamina and i have strengthened my PC muscle to the point that i can kegal the sperm back from the shaft right at the PONR, i dont know if it is called actually edging or dry orgasm(cause it feels like an orgasm but im too tense to enjoy it), my question is : i cant seem to kegal while moving at PONR e.g when i'm with my girl i can easily stop inside her or outside and restrain the ejaculation using kegals, but if i keep thrusting my kegal stops and i continue spasming unvoluntary and ejaculate, if i keep practising can i possibly achieve kegaling without stopping the motion? it would be wonderfull....

 

[Pegasus]

You must continue your practise so that your DO are relaxed and confident and enjoyable.

THen practise solo to develop the following ability ,then transfer it to duo. As you hit DO ,continue stimulation while pumping your kegel like pumping the brakes of a car. This works best if it is timed to the orgasm wave. Simple in theory ,hard in practise and an advanced skill that sets off a series of DO.

For the time being, you can do stop /start as you are, or change position to less the sensation. In any case you should become confident and relaxed enough, that you can enjoy DO with practise.

 

[kazuma]

I could be wrong, but I think the pushing in a reverse kegel is kind of unnecessary if you can will the relaxation of your pelvic floor muscles. I was edging for a while noticing how jumpy and twitchy my BC muscles were getting. I played a funny mental trick where I was imagining the muscles (deep inside the muscle even) being slowly massaged in a relaxing way by something soft and white, and any tension was dropping/leaking out of my body. I sustained that for a while and got harder as a result. Every once in a while a twitch would come back right before being told to relax. I would think that the parasympathetic impulses fighting for dominance, which also made my dick harder.

I'm wondering if all the MMO masters and tantra masters just have trained their ability to saturate their nervous system with parasympathetic impulses as the dominate automatic response.

I've had a some DO before, (mostly half DO and a few without any leaks). But they don't have any more feeling than a normal orgasm with ejaculation. I think training the parasympathetic is key, while edging and maybe reverse 'pushing' kegels too are ways to train the elevation of parasympathetic responses. Stretching, mental visioning, pushing the sympathetic responses without hitting PONR all seem to get the parasympathetic side some training. After all stretching isn't actual stretching, but actual training of your nervous system to relax.

Anyone think those thoughts have merit?

 

[Pirate]

I noticed this some time ago ,there seems to be 2 sorts of reverse kegel. The first you feel in the lower abs, the second in the taint area betwween the balls and arsehole. Some members seem to get one sort more than the other. I seem to be ale to do the lower ab one seperately or both together. Is anyone able to do both seperately?

I can as well, but it took me months before I was able to isolate the taint version.

 

[Pegasus]

Well done Pirate you are the only one so far.
Kaz some guys can increase stamina by relaxing the pelvic floor. Others talk of uncontrolable spasms of the pelvic floor.

 

[Unit]

I understand the concept of the reverse kegel and i practice it along with kegels every other day...

My question is : How do you reverse kegel without actually coming close to pissing/shitting(or even farting), for me its almost impossible to do a reverse kegel if i need to do any of these things....

I prefer to piss,sh*t and/or fart before doing reverse kegels.

 

[Pegasus]

It's funny I don't remember ever having this issue.

 

[Wynn]

Which one is the kegel to force an orgasm. I have a problem going to long and sometimes not cuming at all. I know porn stars can force orgasms, some within 10 seconds.

 

[Pegasus]

Delayed orgasm can be a complex problem Wynn. Anxiety is an issue, too tight a grip when masturbating can be an issue. Many guys hold a low level kegel which stops the approach to ponr. Sorry there is no 10 sec answer.