Banned? I just read a thread here a few days ago where one of the senior members talked about how only a percentage of people here get real gains and that some supposed gains are actually measuring mistakes.
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Banned? I just read a thread here a few days ago where one of the senior members talked about how only a percentage of people here get real gains and that some supposed gains are actually measuring mistakes.
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I think he's referring to "The Perfect Penis". You'll find the documentary here: The Perfect Penis>>> Channel 4 Documentary
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I bought the DVD from the M*****s of S*ze website. At the time I did not know that everything I needed is right here. It was useful to actually see the exercises in graphic detail however & DLD does have some very innovative manual exercises.
I should have recorded the documentary. I remember the three guys because they were so open about their insecurities & even got their penises out for the camera - this somehow made them more trustworthy in my book.
Check out my log: https://www.pegym.com/forums/progress-forum/15585-poses-log-pics.html
I have the pictures from each month at the very first post, so you don't have to go searching for the pictures in the log.
Every time a skeptic says, 'I don't believe in PE,' there is a penis somewhere that falls down dead.
See I REALLY hope I'm not a measuring mistake.
I've been measuring the same from the beginning... but I measure from the top of the penis... in the V where the shaft meets the pubic bone like this...
BUT directly against the shaft.. not off to the side or underneathe... so maybe I went from 4" to 5" or really from 5.6" to 6.5"/6.6" depending on EQ...
I did gain an inch.
However.. I am NOT done. I want another 2. If it takes me 5 years... so be it.
See I REALLY hope I'm not a measuring mistake.
I've been measuring the same from the beginning... but I measure from the top of the penis... in the V where the shaft meets the pubic bone like this...
BUT directly against the shaft.. not off to the side or underneathe... so maybe I went from 4" to 5" or really from 5.6" to 6.5"/6.6" depending on EQ...
I did gain an inch.
However.. I am NOT done. I want another 2. If it takes me 5 years... so be it.
Just wondering, did you draw that?
Looking at the pics, you were definitely not 4" man.
I've actually always been a little bit unclear about what is the pubic bone and how can I locate it... Maybe that's embarrassing, but I've never really understood what that is when I read about it...
Nope.. the picture is from http://www.mraverage.com/
as for the pubic bone...
the CORRECT way to measure I feel is from the V where the penis meets the pubic bone. You press against the pubic bone and you can get an accurate measurement.. I feel the top press for BPEL (bone-pressed erect length) is limited by the insertion of the rectus abdominis tendon which is distended and stressed especially as you're trying to get the most length by pressing your hips forward... especially fi you're self conscious. if you get in the V you get an accurate measurement IMO.
Well I won't say anything to convince you, other than check out my photo albums, I have 2 separate albums dedicated to before and current pictures.
PEGym Forums - millia's Album: Millia's Current and Progression Pics
PEGym Forums - millia's Album: Millia's Before Pictures
And as far as incorrect measuring, who gives a sh*t? If you measure the same way everytime then whether you're wrong or right, you're still gaining, right?
PEGym Forums - millia's Album: Millia's Current and Progression Pics
PEGym Forums - millia's Album: Millia's Before Pictures
And as far as incorrect measuring, who gives a sh*t? If you measure the same way everytime then whether you're wrong or right, you're still gaining, right?
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6 pages of well intentioned post for someone who will never do pe! Is it woth it? Kudos to all you well intentioned members who have given their time to try and help this guy. Hey skeptical, prove to me that you are actually a man and that you're old enough to be here (over 18) . Okay where's the proof?
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So my girth going up by .5" in almost a year is a measuring error? That's fucking hard to mess up.
Hows about me going from 7"-8"? I just got really good at pushing in hard... that's all.
I mean in all fairness I was somewhat skeptical too when I first stumbled upon the site, but I did the research and looked at whatever pictures and videos I could find, as well as testimonials. I tried jelqing on and off for a couple weeks and noticed a fuller flaccid hang. By using my powers of deduction and doing it fro myself i've found out that PE is completely real and tangible. But this is something that every man should deduce for himself.
I could give two craps whether a person who is skeptical decides to do it or not. It bears no effect on my PE or my own growth.
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Mil, if he had done what you did, or many of us did, I would have no beef with him. What he wants, just like him proving to us that he's a guy, cannot be done. I wanted to remark on all the good hearted guys who went out of their way to post things in order to help HIM! That's what I like about this place;people you don't even know go out of their way to help you.He has gotten more help than he deserved. You want to pe, fine. You don't want to, well that's fine too! You want proof? Well then do it and see for yourself but if you want me to post my before and after pictures that you won't believe anyway, well I don't know where they are. I think I might have sent them to Batwoman and she never returned them? Or was it Pirate?
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One of two things is going to happen- either Skeptical is going to try PE for himself, or he's not. It won't make anyone's PE gains any less untrue, nor will it invalidate anatomical principles that are the basis of PE like Davis' Law or Mechanical and Biological Creep. There will always be people that will deny it works, and their reasons for doing so are many. All we can do is provide information, motivation, and assistance to those that are willing to research the subject and give PE a try.
Those of us that have reaped the benefits know that it works. That's the beautiful thing about the truth- it remains the truth regardless of others' beliefs
Those of us that have reaped the benefits know that it works. That's the beautiful thing about the truth- it remains the truth regardless of others' beliefs
You're absolutely right, and I failed to acknowledge that in my post. A big kudos to all the people who went out of their way to share stories.
And the proof is there for those who choose to believe.
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One of two things is going to happen- either Skeptical is going to try PE for himself, or he's not. It won't make anyone's PE gains any less untrue, nor will it invalidate anatomical principles that are the basis of PE like Davis' Law or Mechanical and Biological Creep. There will always be people that will deny it works, and their reasons for doing so are many. All we can do is provide information, motivation, and assistance to those that are willing to research the subject and give PE a try.
Those of us that have reaped the benefits know that it works. That's the beautiful thing about the truth- it remains the truth regardless of others' beliefs
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Hi skeptical,
welcome to the PE Gym!
When I first learned about PE in 2009 I was way too skeptical too. I tried some jelqing and pulling, didn't see results for about 10 days and gave it up. But this year I just decided to give it a proper try, there's nothing to lose if you're a bit careful, and I'm glad I did it now, and I will not stop any time soon.
It seems that you are way overly skeptical. That's fine, there are a lot of people like you, but no one ever achieved anything through so much skepticism that it prevents them from viewing things in different angle. It's good to question things and not believe blindly - that just means that you possess some intelligence. There is no easy way to prove this stuff, you can go and read through many progress logs and success stories of guys achieving very nice and impressive results, not just in size, you can find some before/after photos, but you will always find something to question and will never be 100% convinced in this. Hell, you might not believe in it even if you try it for 3 month and gain 1/2", I know that I doubted my gains in the beginning.
There are so many people posting in forums for free, who are convinced that PE works. There are some medical studies, mostly for extenders, but also for manual exercising. This should make you question your skepticism at least a bit.
You are also afraid to injure you penis - that is very reasonable fear. But the penis is a lot tougher than you think, and the worst thing that you will experience (that is if you don't do something really stupid like hanging huge weights or clamping without being conditioned) is usually just a little decrease in your erection quality, which recovers with a few days rest. The key to make sure that you don't injure yourself is to start very light - a light beginner routine will tire your penis less than good 30+ min sex session. From there with baby steps you work up and monitor carefully the clues of your body - this way you will know when to back off long before an injury is possible.
Do your research, read, search for photos or whatever you want, you probably will not get a satisfying proof. But if you try to look at things a bit differently, see how many people are posting here and some have made quite significant gains, which just cannot be a measuring error (you have to be retarded to make a 1"+ error). Guys here are taking time to help other guys without knowing each other. You can't say that everyone here is either lying or doesn't know what he's doing and it's all measuring error or some kind of self convincing/placebo effect.
My point is - only you can make yourself believe in this and only you can prove it to yourself. If some day you eventually decide to do it, all the people here will help willingly, as they have helped many others.
[BTW sorry if something is not in place, I haven't read the whole thread, it's too late and I need to sleep]
welcome to the PE Gym!
When I first learned about PE in 2009 I was way too skeptical too. I tried some jelqing and pulling, didn't see results for about 10 days and gave it up. But this year I just decided to give it a proper try, there's nothing to lose if you're a bit careful, and I'm glad I did it now, and I will not stop any time soon.
It seems that you are way overly skeptical. That's fine, there are a lot of people like you, but no one ever achieved anything through so much skepticism that it prevents them from viewing things in different angle. It's good to question things and not believe blindly - that just means that you possess some intelligence. There is no easy way to prove this stuff, you can go and read through many progress logs and success stories of guys achieving very nice and impressive results, not just in size, you can find some before/after photos, but you will always find something to question and will never be 100% convinced in this. Hell, you might not believe in it even if you try it for 3 month and gain 1/2", I know that I doubted my gains in the beginning.
There are so many people posting in forums for free, who are convinced that PE works. There are some medical studies, mostly for extenders, but also for manual exercising. This should make you question your skepticism at least a bit.
You are also afraid to injure you penis - that is very reasonable fear. But the penis is a lot tougher than you think, and the worst thing that you will experience (that is if you don't do something really stupid like hanging huge weights or clamping without being conditioned) is usually just a little decrease in your erection quality, which recovers with a few days rest. The key to make sure that you don't injure yourself is to start very light - a light beginner routine will tire your penis less than good 30+ min sex session. From there with baby steps you work up and monitor carefully the clues of your body - this way you will know when to back off long before an injury is possible.
Do your research, read, search for photos or whatever you want, you probably will not get a satisfying proof. But if you try to look at things a bit differently, see how many people are posting here and some have made quite significant gains, which just cannot be a measuring error (you have to be retarded to make a 1"+ error). Guys here are taking time to help other guys without knowing each other. You can't say that everyone here is either lying or doesn't know what he's doing and it's all measuring error or some kind of self convincing/placebo effect.
My point is - only you can make yourself believe in this and only you can prove it to yourself. If some day you eventually decide to do it, all the people here will help willingly, as they have helped many others.
[BTW sorry if something is not in place, I haven't read the whole thread, it's too late and I need to sleep]
