Rare but common?

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Interesting speculation cdn,

I thought I'd chime in with a reminder of the 'mode'.

Mode: In statistics, the mode is the value that occurs most frequently in a data set or a probability distribution.

Good point and for the girth I guess you could say there are two modes.

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What would favour small penis size?

  • Small vaginas
  • Small dicked families gravitating together
  • Girls growing up with small brothers want their partners similar (eww)
  • Insecure girls feeling less threatened by a small penis
  • Umm, not likely to trip over it like G4... ;)
 

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Lifestyle Data via Wikipedia

Lifestyle Data via Wikipedia

While I have not seen the original study published in any journal, apparently Wikipedia has a chart.

Human penis size - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is the girth or "circumference" chart.

500px-Penis_circum.svg.png


They measured 300 people (out of 401; 1/4 had EQ issues).

ANSELL RESEARCH

The Penis Size Survey

Ansell, makers of LifeStyles Condoms, has conducted research into average penis size. The survey found that the average length of the erect penis is 5.877 inches (14.928cm), with the majority ranging between the small 5.5 inch penis size (14cm) and the large 6.3 inch penises (16cm).

The average girth is 4.972 inches (12.63cm), with the majority ranging between 4.7 inches (12cm) and 5.1 inches (13cm). This indicates that the difference between small penis size and large is not very big.
From March 11 to 17, 2001 a total 401 males over the age of 18 were measured, one at a time, by qualified medical staff (protected by Ansell Medi-Touch gloves) in private tents at the Dady Rock nightclub in Cancun, Mexico. Of the 401 men, 300 were able to gain an erection for measurement - a success rate of only 75%.
The LifeStyles Condoms Average Penis Size Survey was designed to create a better condom, to ensure that they are sized properly, comfortable and won't slip. Are you interested in the different size condoms available?
Sample Size
401 male voluteers of which, only 300 were "effective" male volunteers (75%), as 101 male volunteers (25%) could not gain an erection for measurement. At 300 effective measurements, this study is twice the size of any previous study that uses medical staff to measure penis size. This method is more accurate and reliable than studies where volunteers undertake self-measurement / reporting.
Erect Penis Length
The average erect penis length was 5.877 inches (14.928cm).
Standard deviation was 0.825 inches (2.096cm) with 54% of the effective sample measuring between 5.5 inches (14cm) and 6.3 inches (16cm).
Erect Penis Girth
The average erect penis girth was 4.972 inches (12.63cm).
Standard deviation was 0.508 inches (1.29cm) or with 53.33% of the effective sample measuring between 4.725 inches (12cm) and 5.118 inches (13cm).
Conclusion
It is fair to say that in all cases, where medical staff has measured erect penis size, the average length has been below 6 inches and in every case where the surveys rely on self-measurement and voluntary reporting the average leaps over six inches. Interestingly average girth remains around 5 inches in all surveys.
Using the figure of 5.877 inches from the LifeStyles Condoms Average Penis Size Survey it appears that men on average exaggerate their penis length by a quarter to a half an inch when they are permitted to measure and report their own size.
The results do show that the difference between small penises, average penis size and large penises is not so great as folklore might have us believe.
http://www.free-condom-stuff.com/education/research.htm

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Within the results above, you will notice that there are registered data points to the right of 6", up to 6.75".

This must mean that Ansell researchers found at least 1 and possibly as many as 3 to make each data point.

So within a group of 300 men, 2-6 will have girths above 6in.


But lower that threshold to 5.5in, and you get nearly 10% of the population more.

Overall, it just support my general idea that girths in this category are about as rare as Toyota make cars.

To me, the real issue is the 6.5 and 6.75 in the above; was that mid shaft or base? Hell, that's thick!
 

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What would favour small penis size?

  • Small vaginas
  • Small dicked families gravitating together
  • Girls growing up with small brothers want their partners similar (eww)
  • Insecure girls feeling less threatened by a small penis
  • Umm, not likely to trip over it like G4... ;)

Female sexual preference, as natural selection would not affect the size of a penis.
I have a penis, I am scared of what goes on in the minds of women and therefore will not attempt to look into this matter for fear of loss of sanity.

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Smaller Exists Too

Smaller Exists Too

There's also some "Nissan's" at less than 3 inch girth.

This just shows my point about data.

They're graphing points there because there was data at those points.

So there also must have been at least 1 6.75in girth amongst the group.
 
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Female sexual preference, as natural selection would not affect the size of a penis.

Sure it would. If females were preferring to mate with guys with small dicks they would be having children carrying the small dick genetics of the father. Not saying this preference occurs per se, but if it did it would affect penis size.

Myself, I think genetically speaking I was meant to be larger, because growing up I always had white spots on my fingernails which I think can indicate zinc deficiency. PE is helping me reclaim my rightful size :)
 

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Sure it would. If females were preferring to mate with guys with small dicks they would be having children carrying the small dick genetics of the father. Not saying this preference occurs per se, but if it did it would affect penis size.

Not to be picky, sexual selection is what women choose. Natural selection is how well you survive in nature, no cavemen put a spearhead on the end of his dick and charged the wooly mammoth.

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Pre pe I was 4'75" girth I stoped at 6" girth at partners request. Pe makes your dick larger and so the normal stats are no longer relevant.

Yeah calls for a different set of statistics when you do PE.
 
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Not to be picky, sexual selection is what women choose. Natural selection is how well you survive in nature, no cavemen put a spearhead on the end of his dick and charged the wooly mammoth.

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G4's ancestors did :p

Natural selection ultimately comes down to how successful the organism is at reproducing, whether it's the ability to survive a wooly mammoth, so one still has the opportunity to breed afterwards, or simply being preferred by a female.

Natural selection to a peacock is largely having the most impressive tail feather's, and knowing how to use them :)
 

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G4's ancestors did :p

Natural selection ultimately comes down to how successful the organism is at reproducing, whether it's the ability to survive a wooly mammoth, so one still has the opportunity to breed afterwards, or simply being preferred by a female.

Natural selection to a peacock is largely having the most impressive tail feather's, and knowing how to use them :)

I'm a Biology(Genetics) major and I understand where your coming from and this is just a detail more than anything.

The peacocks tail feathers are sexual selection, its ability to not get eaten is natural selection there subdivided in evoultionary studies because sexual selection can extremely overpower natural selection.

Example, peacock tail feathers are like a neon sign screaming eat me.

Natural selection would tend to remove this trait however sexual selection over powers that and keeps them feathery.

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I'm a Biology(Genetics) major and I understand where your coming from and this is just a detail more than anything.

The peacocks tail feathers are sexual selection, its ability to not get eaten is natural selection there subdivided in evoultionary studies because sexual selection can extremely overpower natural selection.

Example, peacock tail feathers are like a neon sign screaming eat me.

Natural selection would tend to remove this trait however sexual selection over powers that and keeps them feathery.

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Cdn

Okay cool, I didn't know it was categorised separately. I learnt something :)
 

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Not to be picky, sexual selection is what women choose. Natural selection is how well you survive in nature

To be picky (;)), sexual selection is an aspect of natural selection, isn't it? Or by "natural selection" do you just mean selection pressures applied by the environment, rather than from within the species? Also, sexual selection works both ways: it's what women choose in men but also what men choose in women.

When it comes to penis size, obvious a micropenis that's too small to actually enable intercourse is an evolutionary non-starter but beyond that, there's no practical reason why evolution should favour a really big cock over a normal-sized one - unless women start to fetishise big penises and intentionally seek them out, in which case it becomes less about practical use and more about just having something to show off, like a peacock's tail. But in many societies, if not most, casual sex is almost completely divorced from reproduction these days (bar the occasional accident, of course). When a woman enjoying a day at the beach notices a guy with a big package in his trunks, she might thing "Wow, I wouldn't mind getting to grips with that cock", but she probably doesn't think "Wow, I want that cock to impregnate me". Of course the sex impulse ultimately comes from the reproduction impulse but - fortunately! - contraception means we can indulge in the former without necessarily having to have the latter.
 
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I detect a note of scepticism at the end of your post. It works if you work it--like anything else in this world.

Sorry, that's not what I meant to imply - what I meant was, IF penis enlargement works at all, THEN you would expect guys who've been doing it for years to end up with cocks that are much bigger than average. I *know* PE works because I've gained over an inch in length and nearly an inch in girth myself. Hence it's no surprise that many regulars on a forum like this have bigger-than-average cocks. No scepticism was intended. :)
 

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I think the so-called studies aren't very fair and a little bit skewed. If I was given a ruler and told to get an erection, I would probably come in at the low 7's, but with a raging hard-on I'm closer to 8... given the fact that men will exaggerate by at least an inch is something to consider as well. If you were to ask me, I think the average is closer to 7.0 x 5.5 than it is to 6.0 x 5.0.
 

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I think the so-called studies aren't very fair and a little bit skewed. If I was given a ruler and told to get an erection, I would probably come in at the low 7's, but with a raging hard-on I'm closer to 8... given the fact that men will exaggerate by at least an inch is something to consider as well. If you were to ask me, I think the average is closer to 7.0 x 5.5 than it is to 6.0 x 5.0.

Sorry, but this doesn't make sense. You acknowledge that studies based on self-reported length are likely to be skewed by men exaggerating their size, but then claim that the average "is closer to 7.0 x 5.5" - WTF? That's MUCH bigger than the results of any study I've ever heard of. If men are exaggerating their size, that means self-reported studies are going OVERestimate the average, not underestimate it.

On the other hand, recent studies where men have been measured by someone else are probably quite fair as they tend to give the subjects erection drugs to ensure a 100% hard-on - or, as in the case of the LifeStyles survey, discounted subjects who couldn't achieve a full erection. But even here, there's probably some (self-) selection bias going on, as larger men are more likely to be eager to take part in a survey than smaller men.

The only study I've ever heard of that came up with an average greater than 6" for erect length was the Kinsey Report, which gave an average of 6.2" and has since been discredited because it relied on self-measurement. Every other decent-sized survey has come up with an average of under 6" - in some parts of the world it's not even 5". And average erect girth tends to fall somewhere between 4.5" and 5". There's no way in hell the 'true average' is even close to 7x5.5, in other words. In fact it's almost certainly smaller than 6x5.
 
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But in many societies, if not most, casual sex is almost completely divorced from reproduction these days

This is a good point. Only a very small part of sexuality is reproduction. It's this concept that allowed me to completely accept homosexuality. I'm not gay myself, but even if I was, there would still be ways to reproduce. So sexuality, is mostly self expression, connecting with others and enjoyment.
 

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I'm a Biology(Genetics) major and I understand where your coming from and this is just a detail more than anything.

The peacocks tail feathers are sexual selection, its ability to not get eaten is natural selection there subdivided in evoultionary studies because sexual selection can extremely overpower natural selection.

Example, peacock tail feathers are like a neon sign screaming eat me.

Natural selection would tend to remove this trait however sexual selection over powers that and keeps them feathery.

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Cdn

How old you look is also a huge factor.
:(

But older women tend to find younger looking guys more attractive.

But most of the time I hate looking 15-16 years old...... Still look the same like in my ID that was taken in Oct-05.


Good thing it expires in 2 weeks so I will get one without the blue and red tag(underage tags)I going to get my drivers license when I go to renew it. Might as well as it's only a few $ more And I all ready know how to drive.
 
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How old you look is also a huge factor.
:(

But older women tend to find younger looking guys more attractive.

But most of the time I hate looking 15-16 years old...... Still look the same like in my ID that was taken in Oct-05.


Good thing it expires in 2 weeks so I will get one without the blue and red tag(underage tags)I going to get my drivers license when I go to renew it. Might as well as it's only a few $ more And I all ready know how to drive.

The other week a girl at my local liquor store asked for my ID. That means this cute young blonde chick suspected I was half my age! That was a good day :)

Wait, what's the thread topic again? :eek: