Question for those that say pumping never gets permanent results

[FireBirdBoy]

Alright folks, serious question time:

Why do people say that pumping will never end up with permanent results?

With enough time/frequency/proper technique, HOW will pumping not cause permanent growth?

I am currently pumping for length (Yes you read that correctly)
I use an undersized 1.75" LeLuv cylinder so that I pack the ENTIRE tube from base to head.

My BPEL on a good day is 7.5", when I use my pump I end up at around 8.25" in the tube after an hour session (while packing the entire tube)

Today I decided to bump up the pressure a couple Hg's higher and I ended up at 8.5" in the tube at the end of my session.

HOW is this not promoting growth??? That's an INCH longer in the tube than my BPEL outside the tube.

I'm of course not erect in the tube while this is happening, but the stretch is REAL.

I can't stretch myself to 8.5" outside of the tube with my hands, it's the pump that's causing this.

Surely I'm doing something right on my journey for length?

Please tell my your thoughts?

 

[not2big]

I am a firm believer that pumping can add perminant growth, though my experience indicates pumping is more girth oriented.

When using a vacuume cylinder, I believe the vacuum tends to pull out some of your inner penis while at the same time, the vacuum forces the cylinder to be pulled into your fat pad, especially under higher vacuum levels. This process is more effective then using your hand.

 

[FireBirdBoy]

I agree with the cylinder being pushed into the fat pad at higher vacuum levels, but does that matter when my 7.5" BPEL measurement was taken "Bone Pressed? I mean it can only go so far.

I also never thought about the Inner Penis coming into play here. A straight outward pull would have to have some effect on it right?

I've always felt like the penis shaft itself was getting stretched due to the fact that the day after pumping there's always a deep internal burning/exhausted feeling. Same feeling like you get from going heavy at the gym.

I'm also using a Stealth Innerwear for that flaccid length, so far so good. It also helps with edema/fluid buildup after heavy pumping sessions.

I still can't come to reason with the idea that SOME kind of growth isn't happening.... ESPECIALLY when my penis is getting stretched an entire inch longer than my erect length.

 

[savage_inequalities]

Speaking strictly from a physics perspective, it (to me) absolutely stands to reason that with a thinner cylinder pump, any pressure generated will "draw out" the penis further away from the body. It clearly sounds like you are getting a great stretch from it (an inch more than your usual erect length) so I cannot understand why you wouldn't gain as you mentioned. From my understanding, the jury is kind of out on whether pumping leads to permanent gains. Some on these forums seem to swear by it. I guess you'll just have to wait a bit and then report back. Good luck!

 

[Party]

Read KickintheMebs recent girth losses on his log. I believe girth gains require maintenance. I don’t have an sue with that, PE is a life long endeavor as far as I’m concerned. In my quest forgirth I have noticed so much variation during erection. With viagra only half inch gain to 5 inches. Yet last night, two days since sex and Viagra at night while fantasizing about taking a shower with the Mrs, and helping her wash her magnificent breasts, a very girth 5.5. Damn it felt good in my hand.

 

[D6ggy9tyle]

Usually you'll get some good initial gains but stall out with pumps. Using a thinner tube does draw the penis further away from the body, allowing for a stretch, but the mechanism is still the same. It is engorging the cells with blood. Like muscle growth, we tear and damage then the growth comes from the repair process. When you pressurize the penis to cause damage, regardless of direction, its going to strengthen and adapt.

Theoretically, as this heals it will actually thicken the tunica and damaged tissues, to better handle the pressure regularly being put on it, which could actually make elongation tougher. We're still going for Erect length gains not pump length gains. So that being said, if your making erect length gains then keep going till it stops. But I would consider adding in an extender post pumping, so that as the healing process happens it repairs in an elongated state.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

I always felt like pumping is a good add on to any other routine. Amplifying what you already do.
The expansion feels less real than with clamping for girth and hanging weights for length.

But yeah with the right intensity and frequency gains with it alone should be possible.

When I pump at around 6-7hg I start to get to my max length in the pump.
From there anymore vacuum doesn't add to length visibly.
I would love to have a way to measure girth in the pump. Would love to know if any pressure above my max length pulls on the girth.

 

[NOWHARD]

Usually you'll get some good initial gains but stall out with pumps. Using a thinner tube does draw the penis further away from the body, allowing for a stretch, but the mechanism is still the same. It is engorging the cells with blood. Like muscle growth, we tear and damage then the growth comes from the repair process. When you pressurize the penis to cause damage, regardless of direction, its going to strengthen and adapt.

Theoretically, as this heals it will actually thicken the tunica and damaged tissues, to better handle the pressure regularly being put on it, which could actually make elongation tougher. We're still going for Erect length gains not pump length gains. So that being said, if your making erect length gains then keep going till it stops. But I would consider adding in an extender post pumping, so that as the healing process happens it repairs in an elongated state.

As healing takes around 24 hours or longer, so you wear an extender for all of that time span, makes it a bit awkward getting your trousers on and explaining your protrubrance in work.

NOWHARD

 

[IdealPenis]

I don't know if anyone has ever gained just from pumping.

Maybe there are a few isolated cases, where they gained as they improved their EQ.
But, from all the posts I read here and on other forums about pumping, there are no permanent gains when used alone.

Most that managed to make permanent gains, included other exercises as well. Most of the times jeqling is the hidden trick.
Also, it seems that broking down pumping in multiple short sets give the best results.

What you see in the pump, is mostly that. Pumping. Expanding current cells and pulling the dick a bit out.
So, I would avoid looking at the gains in the pump and right after pumping. I would concentrate on PIs and measure after 1-2 week break to see if any permanent gains have been made.

 

[DickerSchwanz]

Yeah unless I get really uncomfortable(no pain) in the pump it doesn't seem to go much beyond elastic expansion.
But higher hg almost always produces edema and discoloration if done too much too often.

 

[kickinthemebs]

Have you ever seen/heard of extreme pumping? These guys pump their dicks up to all kinds of ridiculous sizes and shapes but have vouched for time-and-time again that their dicks go back to normal sizes after the pumping wears off. That it is just temporary expansion from fluid build-up etc.

There have been a lot of people on the forum that have gained quite well from pumping, or with pumping as a component of their routine. For me, I think it is pretty useless tbh. I tried many and varied different pumping methods and it was always temporary. 2 months of clamping could get me more gains than a year of just pumping.

 

[Walter BP Rep]

Most of the pumpers who pump for fetish reasons don't do any erection quality work besides pumping so there's not much of a sense of cementing gains.

 

[not2big]

I have been pumping on a regular basis for about nine years. I started with MSEG of 4.4” and after five years my MSEG was up to 5.5” every time I measured it. But as I indicated, I never took a break for more than 60 days. I still measure 5.5 to 5.6 MSEG. I have ED so I need to pump (30 seconds) in order to generate an Erection so I can not take a break from pumping. Any way, My wife will always be pressured with a 5.5/5.6” erection. However, If I pump for twenty minutes, she enjoys a 6” MSEG erection.

As a point of reference, I still have my original 1.5” cylinder which I am no longer capable of fiting into.

 

[D6ggy9tyle]

As healing takes around 24 hours or longer, so you wear an extender for all of that time span, makes it a bit awkward getting your trousers on and explaining your protrubrance in work.

NOWHARD

Healing actually does take more like 48-72 hours on average.
I do wear my extender at work, maybe yours is bulkier or you wear skinny pants but for me if anything does show it simply looks like cock bulge but even this is minimal.
They say when you do weight training its most benificial for protein synthesis if you take your protein shake within 30-60 minutes post workout.
Though different types, damage in the body is still damage, considering its not a serious tear, break, etc, but even so, the mechanisms that trigger healing begin immediately. And the signals of HOW to conduct this healing is signaled immediately, ie all the healing molecules and nutrients are directed right away, so if you extend for a duration post workout, theoretically, the body goes, "we're damaged, we're stretched, we need to heal and adapt to handle this type of stress on the body"

Even just extending periodically post workout will help to keep the tissues extended.

Traction theories with extenders obviously point to time under tension in a stretched state as the biggest factor for growth. If you stayed extended 24 hrs a day would it be super benificial? Yes as long as you weren't injuring yourself. But this is unrealistic.

But, IDK about you, but post-pump, I might have a slight longer measure immediately after If I get a 100% EQ, but for the most part Im girthier but shorter, maybe a better flaccid hang than normal, but not longer than BPEL or anywhere near BPFSL which is where you kindof want to be for length gains, which is why extenders and hanging have the highest gains for length
.
If you break your nose but never reset it, it'll heal in this new positioning. If you break down your penile tissues through pumping, but then let it heal in a short, fat position, wouldnt you expect it to heal into that new positioning as well?

 

[Thepi0neer]

I personally gained almost a half inch in permanent girth in a handful of months using the bathmate. I didn't follow any guidlines or have safety in mind so I definitely over pumped every time, but my gains are still here after not really pumping since. Over a year ago

 

[PEispossible]

Most of the pumpers who pump for fetish reasons don't do any erection quality work besides pumping so there's not much of a sense of cementing gains.

Those guys are weird.

 

[Walter BP Rep]

Those guys are weird.

Some of them were pioneers for penis enlargement today even if they didn't mean to be.