Is this improvement?

[OldRocker]

Sharpshooter,

Nice response and quite enlightening! And as you say "confusing..."

First, in response to pegasus; the reverse kegel will, over time, assist you in automaticly offsetting your involuntary kegel. For practice, while ballooning, notice the involuntary kegel when it happens and then decrease stimulation while reverse kegeling till it stops. Then increase stimulation till you just feel it coming back again, and repeat. This should, over time, directly address the involuntary kegel and has the added benefit of increasing your awareness.

Now, I'm confused and need some advice. I thought that edging was masturbation to the PONR and then reducing stimulation to a more stable level and moving back up to PONR again for stamina training. Repeating about 6 times or so till finally ejaculating.

Sharpshooter, you refer to edging as a seperate activity than mastrubation which I find curious. Can you tell me what you do for edging that is different than mastrubation? If it is a seperate activity that I have missed somehow I'd really like to learn what it is and incorporate it into my routine especially if it has the benefits that you acquaint to it.

What a great learning opportunity! Thanks!

OldRocker

 

[OldRocker]

Sharpshooter,

I found this article here: Edging - Penis Exercise For Size and Hardness and reread it. Please feel free to add what you do in your edging routine that is different. If you have discovered a new routine you have the right to give it a new name!

Go for it!

OldRocker

 

[Bobbyj]

Since I have a hard time RK what I do is kegel 30 times then hold a reverse kegel 20 seconds can that method be applied to balancing the PC muscle

 

[Pegasus]

Try this do a kegel and turn it into a reverse, hold until you start to tire then repeat the kegel, return to reverse and so on until fatigue.

 

[Sharpshooter]

OldRocker,

Ha, sorry, it's me that has misunderstood edging. I'd read that article myself and somehow misinterpreted it. Looks like I've got a bit of work to do on the edging front!

 

[Bobbyj]

When I feel myself involuntary kegeling I try to RK and cum even quicker shits becoming a headace now

 

[OldRocker]

Bobbyj,

The headache is an indicator for you; telling you where you need to continue to do the work. It's all in your head! Stay positive, and continue to work and have faith that over time your efforts will pay off. Take your time and pay close attention to your arousal levels. If you have not read through this thread here: https://www.pegym.com/forums/premat...de-controlling-your-ejaculation-response.html I recommend it for developing a consistant regiment for getting totally familiar with your response and moving toward and away from the PONR.

Every failure is an indicator that you are moving towards success. Be confident and trust that the process is working and soon you will realize you know what you don't know now.

Hang in there!

 

[Bobbyj]

Yes when my arousal is high I involuntary kegel and when I RK its like I reach the ponr if I can do no kegels I'll be fine

 

[Pegasus]

Bobby you need to do your reverse kegel earlier at a lower arousal level.
In masturbation you are trying to ejaculate, that is the prime purpose. Edging may appear similar but it has other purposes.
There is a wide variety of edging styles done in different ways for different purposes.
In the article Remek mainly talks of of the stop/start method, which is the best starting point.

 

[Bobbyj]

Ok when I'm actually having sex and I'm penetrating in and out I notice I'm doing an involuntary kegel when I'm on top my legs and arms tense up for some reason I need to find a way to relax but I have to use my muscles. Maybe its going to take some getting use to since I just started having sex this year

 

[Pegasus]

Ok when I'm actually having sex and I'm penetrating in and out I notice I'm doing an involuntary kegel when I'm on top my legs and arms tense up for some reason I need to find a way to relax but I have to use my muscles. Maybe its going to take some getting use to since I just started having sex this year

Yes this is an important point ,one should not expect to be a sex god overnight. You have commited to working on it and that is a big positive. many guys talk about controling general muscle tension and breathing.

 

[Bobbyj]

Another thing I notice is I'm starting back to kegel and the more kegels I do the less involuntary kegels I do but last time I started doing kegels I came soon as I entered my girl suggestions?

 

[Pegasus]

So long as you keep your reverse kegel % up.

 

[Bobbyj]

Damn the last 2 times I masturbated were pretty good I had a ponr but was un able to finish cause I was interrupted during my session maybe that's a good thing

 

[Pegasus]

Lol

 

[Bobbyj]

So since the last 2 days I didn't ejaculate today I said I would release some stress and masturbated for over 20 mins which has become the norm my next goal is for being able to go 30 mins on a consistent basis. I'm still having trouble with my arousal tho breathing doesn't really help I have to find another method

 

[Pegasus]

Talk to Drummer19 ,James M etc.

 

[OldRocker]

Bobbyj,

I wouldn't give up on the breathing just yet. I find it very useful but the effects are subtle and you have to sort of release your mind into the breath and let it take your arousal level down little by little. It takes a bit of concentration which will actually remove your focus a little from the direct stimulation and spread the sensations throughout your body.

Meditation practice apart from sex helps to develop this ability. There is much written about it all over the net so I won't bother with details.

Also as Pegasus recommends talk to Drummer19 (and review his Arousal Techniques seen here: https://www.pegym.com/forums/premature-ejaculation-forum/27984-arousal-techniques.html ). And read JamesMonroe's contributions to ballooning and edging to increase your sensativity stamina. All your posts show that you are working on it and that's a good part of the battle.

Every tool you add will assist you in some way, kegels, reverse kegels, arousal techniques, deep breathing, ballooning, edging (a form of mastrubation but the goal is to increase stamina rather than reach climax), and whatever else you find here to be useful. Some here are not into it, but I've been studying up some on Tantric Sex and think that might be a good addition but it also takes some time and practice to master. It involves lots of pelvic floor exercises, root lock and channeling the sexual energy up your spine to your brain and releasing it back down again.

Good luck and keep going with what works for you!

Cheers!

 

[spanky]

This is an excellent thread. I haven't been around much for a while, but I stumbled on here and I have to say that Bobbyj, you are getting some fantastic advice from the guys here, and your progress is inspiring. Keep at it man, you're well on your way x

 

[Bobbyj]

Thanks but I wouldn't call it progress till I apply it to actual sex with a female