How common are permanent injuries?

[dsmall]

I agree with NP97 and Pegasus that severe PE-induced permanent injuries are rare. Lesser injuries like superficial thrombosed veins and discoloration (often permanent) are not.

I have read enough accounts from individuals who claim to have developed penile insensitivity, venous leak, the "hard flaccid" syndrome, and the "soft glans" syndrome to come to the conclusion that at least some of them must be factual and not fabricated, however. One problem is that erectile dysfunction is relatively common, and is far from rare even in younger men. It is often hard to know if ED that develops while practicing PE is actually caused by PE, or coincident to it.

I do believe that some individuals probably have developed severe erectile dysfunction or diminished penile sensitivity as a result of PE but I think this is a very uncommon event. I strongly suspect that many of the injury reports have been fabricated for the purpose of stirring up sh*t, and Lost in Torture's tendency to repeatedly become extremely caustic to anyone who tried to offer helpful advice leads me to believe that he probably was one of those individuals, i.e, a troll.

He makes the point that PE is dangerous because some individuals have sustained permanent injury through it. I suppose that could be considered a valid point. Many thousands of individuals have died or been maimed in automobile accidents, so automobiles could be considered extraordinarily dangerous, yet most of us get in one every day, or nearly every day. Penile fracture is a known potential complication of sexual intercourse, and can result in severe ED even if promptly treated. So by the same token, having sex could be considered a dangerous endeavor.

I think it is prudent for anyone considering PE to peruse the injury/ED subforums on this, and other PE forums first, and make their own assessment of the potential risk.

There is no question that you can injure your body exercising. Look at jogging. There are many different types of use related injuries and PE is no different. Physicians say that patient history is 90% of the diagnosis. If you look at the history provided by LIT, it ranged from doing it for a year and bruising my penis to "I was barely doing the newbie routine. " As an initial matter, penile injuries are enormously common. Anybody who has ever worked in an ER can tell you tons of stories about the creative ways people injure their unit. ED is extremely common. Desensitization due to OCD related behaviors and porn/masturbation addiction is very common. Fortunately. permanent injuries are very rare--even in situations where it has been almost totally severed. Generally, penile injuries are a class of injuries where it is extremely difficult to get an accurate history because of embarrassment and a whole host of reasons, both cultural and moral. But if the patient can't or won't give the physician an accurate history, diagnosis becomes very problematic; and etiology becomes almost impossible.

There is what I call the "reefer madness" syndrome to a lot of these stories. Until scientists and society had a better understanding of the effects of marijuana, the anecdotal medical complaints and injuries attributed to a single toke of a joint were widespread and very misleading. They had the theme: "My life was wonderful and everything went to crap after I had that single hit on that joint." And society (and the medical establishment) reinforced these stories in an effort to keep people from trying "drugs." LIT's story seemed to have a lot of those elements.

 

[jonny127]

If you read some more you'll see that a lot of injuries are actually caused by nothing more than jelqing.
People are different, very different and we do not know enough about the penis to say it's safe at all.
Hell a recent study (2005) showed that the common "2 dorsal nerves" pictuer we all have is false, some has just 1 some have 7..

Man did you end crying?
Now, do you want to complain for all the whole life imagining that everithing was better before.. or you want to roll up the sleeves, chewing the fucking bullet and recover your life becoming better than before? HOW MUCH you want it? Good.
Let's make an analisis of you as a patient.
You had the perfect life with the perfect girl, the perfect work. For a night you tried manipulating your dick with some jelqing, and boom, the penis is broken forever.
Objectively you didn't had a penis, but a marshmallow.
Now weren't you an anxious person before? never been obsessed with something before? do you had phobias? what kind of personality did you have? Be honest. These are the most important information about you, and not how perfect was the ass of your girl, out there is a plenty of perfect asses.

You went to the doctor and had the "check of sensitivity exam" twice.. Listen, are you from Rwanda Burundi? what strange nonsensed exam is that? And then they told you "there is nothing to do".. what, were they doctors or shoemakers?
Man, please, don't mess. I work around hospitals. And I know for sure, that before such a stupid phrase you should have had
1) a basilar, even done in papua new guinea, objective exam with a digital rectal exploration to test your BULBOCAVERNOSAL REFLEX, CREMASTERIC REFLEX AND SPHINTERIAL (ANUS) CONTRTACTION. If those tests were positive, Im sorry for you, but you can actually have an erection, without bullshits. Still in doubt about an alleged nervous damage? neurologists DO HAVE even more precise and accurate methods to verify the nerve conduction.
2) your blood tested in the minimum details
3) many kind of instrumental diagnostics, like a DINAMIC CAVERNOSOMETRY, (penile ecodoppler)
4) some viagra or chalis to test your reaction to a chemical induced erection.
5) give you a DIAGNOSIS.
What I have to think instead? perhaps you didn't pay them, so they worked like a sh*t?
I don't mind, and every doctor shouldn't, about your sensation of "numbness". ITS nothing to verify an alleged nervous problem, along with the lack of nocturnal erections. A state of mind CAn actually do it. But you're too much concentrated on the "broken - injury" to understand it.
So, there is no mystery, nothing unknown or impossible to measure. Perhaps you have mistaken the rush of your doctors with lack of will or preparation. Not so. Perhaps, the DOCTORS just found you healthy and so avoided further investigations.
I believe the problem is another. The penis is not a voluntary muscle, its innervation is 2/3 formed by the autonomous system. If you are worried with negative toughts or tensed about the situation the penis is "shortened" or "numb" because in your cause it became a deposit of your fears and worries after some negative episode.
You say you had a happy life, perfect. You had everithing to lose, you say. You jelqed, perhaps you thought "man, if this crazy thing hurts my penis I really can lose everithing". You messed up things with the STUPID information campaign you made around the web.

So, what you can do? Go to a psychologist (stop raging, you have to do it!), describe your situation, all the medical response you had, and ask to verify a possible psycosomatic origin of the problem that affects you .. if he's halfway decent he will help you quickly find an answer .. and return what you were before and better than before. I'm sure.

 

[Slow deep and hard]

Man did you end crying?
Now, do you want to complain for all the whole life imagining that everithing was better before.. or you want to roll up the sleeves, chewing the fucking bullet and recover your life becoming better than before? HOW MUCH you want it? Good.
Let's make an analisis of you as a patient.
You had the perfect life with the perfect girl, the perfect work. For a night you tried manipulating your dick with some jelqing, and boom, the penis is broken forever.
Objectively you didn't had a penis, but a marshmallow.
Now weren't you an anxious person before? never been obsessed with something before? do you had phobias? what kind of personality did you have? Be honest. These are the most important information about you, and not how perfect was the ass of your girl, out there is a plenty of perfect asses.

You went to the doctor and had the "check of sensitivity exam" twice.. Listen, are you from Rwanda Burundi? what strange nonsensed exam is that? And then they told you "there is nothing to do".. what, were they doctors or shoemakers?
Man, please, don't mess. I work around hospitals. And I know for sure, that before such a stupid phrase you should have had
1) a basilar, even done in papua new guinea, objective exam with a digital rectal exploration to test your BULBOCAVERNOSAL REFLEX, CREMASTERIC REFLEX AND SPHINTERIAL (ANUS) CONTRTACTION. If those tests were positive, Im sorry for you, but you can actually have an erection, without bullshits. Still in doubt about an alleged nervous damage? neurologists DO HAVE even more precise and accurate methods to verify the nerve conduction.
2) your blood tested in the minimum details
3) many kind of instrumental diagnostics, like a DINAMIC CAVERNOSOMETRY, (penile ecodoppler)
4) some viagra or chalis to test your reaction to a chemical induced erection.
5) give you a DIAGNOSIS.
What I have to think instead? perhaps you didn't pay them, so they worked like a sh*t?
I don't mind, and every doctor shouldn't, about your sensation of "numbness". ITS nothing to verify an alleged nervous problem, along with the lack of nocturnal erections. A state of mind CAn actually do it. But you're too much concentrated on the "broken - injury" to understand it.
So, there is no mystery, nothing unknown or impossible to measure. Perhaps you have mistaken the rush of your doctors with lack of will or preparation. Not so. Perhaps, the DOCTORS just found you healthy and so avoided further investigations.
I believe the problem is another. The penis is not a voluntary muscle, its innervation is 2/3 formed by the autonomous system. If you are worried with negative toughts or tensed about the situation the penis is "shortened" or "numb" because in your cause it became a deposit of your fears and worries after some negative episode.
You say you had a happy life, perfect. You had everithing to lose, you say. You jelqed, perhaps you thought "man, if this crazy thing hurts my penis I really can lose everithing". You messed up things with the STUPID information campaign you made around the web.

So, what you can do? Go to a psychologist (stop raging, you have to do it!), describe your situation, all the medical response you had, and ask to verify a possible psycosomatic origin of the problem that affects you .. if he's halfway decent he will help you quickly find an answer .. and return what you were before and better than before. I'm sure.

Do you have any idea have it feels when you know you are not lying or making things up and a Doctor tells you that because we cant really find out what is wrong with you its properly just psycosomatic ?, I assure you that there is no worse feeling in the world.

I have avulsed the left side of my pubococcygeus muscle, and its attachment to the perineal body, the first 2 doctors and 3 urologist told me it was impossible and no man have ever done such a thing and it was something I must have had origin in my psysic, telling them about PE only made them even more skeptic.
At the same time I was in severe pain and could feel have the muscle was moving feely around down there, see I knew I was fucked because i knew that what I was feeling was reel because I knew have it started and have it got worse and finally tear away , but because the doctors keept saying it must be me thinking things up, I ended up trying to kill myself.
Its the same type of feeling as if your house is on fire and the fire department tells you that is just something you are making up.

I survived and the doctors finnaly gave me a ultrasound and MRI and finnaly the could see I wassnet lying, then the told me that the cant do nothing for me and because the cant fix avulsions yet, not even on woman and because the havent seen it before the cant say what will happen in the future, but I will properly experince prolapse,rectal collaps,urinate inconsistency,erectic dysfunction.
If its severe enourgh the major blood lines can get compromised and I will loose feeling in my legs an if i am really unlucky Die.


I dont blame PE I loved PE I just wish I didn't try to push trough overtraining but anyone that gets into PE needs to realize that if the get injured the are on there own, I am not impotent yet but in the future I proberly will be and honestly I dont thing I wil be around much longer , untill you loose it you dont know yet that sex is the most important thing in life, no sex and life is not worth living.

The problem with PE induced injuries is that there are no protocols for have to fix it, its not like a shoulder or knee injury witch millions of prople have injured before.
The next problem is the anatomic position of the genitals,that area is litterally filled with nerves,veins,internal organs and one littel mistake and you have a whole new set of problems also.

The bottom line is that if you screw up you penis you are pretty much on your own.

 

[Davis Carter]

Hi ,can anyone guide me to understand if I am healed or not ?

In 2017 I have pulled my penis to "jelq" with full force for many seconds, I felt no real pain but the next morning my erection was no more. This lasted a year of no erection, after that I slowly healed until to the point of having intense sex, I healed my PE too (I used to cum in 1 second), now I learned to last hours.

The problem is simple : I cannot get it up while standing. I can do good sex in any other position, but I always have the feeling that my erection is not as it was before injury .. due to a lot of stress I really forgot how was my penis before injury, so I don't know how can I test my ligament or whatever is it inside that can be damaged, a doppler ? a mri ? a doppler ultrasound ? please guide me , I am desperate, even if I can do sex, my pleasure is none. So understand me because I want to know if I still have damage to my penis or not, how can I test if my ligament is intact ? thank you from the soul

 

[Mike_b]

Davis I wouldn't lie to you, I've had this injury for 15 years. It took a lot of conditioning to get the rest I needed. Giving up on runs in the morning, sleeping in instead. Always sitting in my lazy chair, going for short walks or rides, mostly hanging out with my parents for so long I'm 37 by the way. This slow way of living got my dick to a nice relaxed state. Now I can start healing or end it proactively. IF Your so intent on wanting to heal, I would say start living a more relaxed life ie nowhere to wake up in the morning. So yeah, start with stress leave from your physician, unwind THEN play doctor to yourself. This may or may not help. But it's worth a try eh? Especially After being anxious on top of anxious. Our dicks are our babies if they are in danger we need to take care of them. This is the approach that worked for me with a little help from Jesus on the way.

 

[HFrecovering]

Davis I wouldn't lie to you, I've had this injury for 15 years. It took a lot of conditioning to get the rest I needed. Giving up on runs in the morning, sleeping in instead. Always sitting in my lazy chair, going for short walks or rides, mostly hanging out with my parents for so long I'm 37 by the way. This slow way of living got my dick to a nice relaxed state. Now I can start healing or end it proactively. IF Your so intent on wanting to heal, I would say start living a more relaxed life ie nowhere to wake up in the morning. So yeah, start with stress leave from your physician, unwind THEN play doctor to yourself. This may or may not help. But it's worth a try eh? Especially After being anxious on top of anxious. Our dicks are our babies if they are in danger we need to take care of them. This is the approach that worked for me with a little help from Jesus on the way.

What was your injury and in what way has it improved?

 

[Mike_b]

I had lacerations in my tunica, from jelquing, trichotilliomania and too much porn all in one day. It was a psychotic snap like I didn't know when to stop literally not trying to for real but equally seems like I was trying to rip it off. My psyche was all fucced up, ed limp boners pointing down, pain from excruciating to absent. Fear of getting laid. Painful masturation involuntary kegals and ab crunching pain after shitting pain when laying on my side, wetting the bed every night pissing every half hour suicidal homicidal depressed anxious loss of relationships and identity, fear and mistrust. Bad eq went to physio had flaccid doppler it felt like cancer for 15 years semen coming out during bowel movements. Cialis I'm pretty sure I had nightmares pain in the balls in hot water constipation.

Right now as of today I woke up to my first pleasant dream in over a decade. I woke up with a bone substantially with no pain. I even felt my dick get a little hard whIle watching something on TV. My symptoms now are day to day gradually getting better. No more slow painful accordion folding like erections. Less shots of pain. A little bit of clarity a loss of symptoms. No more re ripping and starting from scratch. Just careful at this point.

 

[HFrecovering]

I had lacerations in my tunica, from jelquing, trichotilliomania and too much porn all in one day. It was a psychotic snap like I didn't know when to stop literally not trying to for real but equally seems like I was trying to rip it off. My psyche was all fucced up, ed limp boners pointing down, pain from excruciating to absent. Fear of getting laid. Painful masturation involuntary kegals and ab crunching pain after shitting pain when laying on my side, wetting the bed every night pissing every half hour suicidal homicidal depressed anxious loss of relationships and identity, fear and mistrust. Bad eq went to physio had flaccid doppler it felt like cancer for 15 years semen coming out during bowel movements. Cialis I'm pretty sure I had nightmares pain in the balls in hot water constipation.

Right now as of today I woke up to my first pleasant dream in over a decade. I woke up with a bone substantially with no pain. I even felt my dick get a little hard whIle watching something on TV. My symptoms now are day to day gradually getting better. No more slow painful accordion folding like erections. Less shots of pain. A little bit of clarity a loss of symptoms. No more re ripping and starting from scratch. Just careful at this point.

Were you diagnosed with all these things by a doctor/urologist? Did you/do you have hard flaccid aswell?

 

[Mike_b]

Yes dr McMahon diagnosed me with the lacerations. It seems like an endless chore to get better. Last night I had a small soft flaccid so I might have fed things up again. Half the stuff I listed is just symptoms not a diagnosis. I see my urologist on September 8th for that. Just like everybody else I'm fed up.

Gonna watch some porn now to see if the willy works.

 

[Neutralview]

Disregard everything he said about your penis being almost indestructible...

All I ever did was newbie routine in a hot bathtub and it permanently fucked my life up beyond repair.
And there are plenty of stories like mine and other who are less severe.
The question you got to ask your self is: are you willing to die for a few cm?
Thats actually the reality, because once your dick goes numb and ED suicide is very close, I want to be brutally honest.

To put it in perspective:

Before PE:
I was working daily with a good income, doing very well for my age, also in school getting a good education, had my girlfriend(underwear model) who was willing to do anything, and we had frequent 3somes etc.
I had tons of friends, always socializing, basically at the age of 20, I was living the life and a lot of good things was on the horizon.

Then I discover PE and decide to get a extra inch on my dick

After PE:

Quit my job, couldn't focus or even bring myself out of bed anymore.
Quit school, dropped out, wasted a lot of money on that and I wont be going back.
Dropped my girl and told her I needed time, I can't be with her in this state...
I no longer really go out at all, it sounds extreme, but this is what it is, you don't feel hole, this is worse than losing loved ones, this is worse than being diagnosed with terminal disease and only having 10 more normal years to live...
At first you go into denial and wishful thinking occupies your time: "this is temporary, this will go away", then when it doesn't you start obsessing, reading everything about it on the internet, then as time goes on you start checking for sensitivity EVERYDAY in some desperate hope of one day feeling anything.

Some will say "not everyone reacts to a nerve injury like that" and I agree, sure, some may handle it better than me, but at the end of the day, we are a product of 3,7 billion year evolution where the single goal of our whole existence is sex.
EVERYTHING changes when you no longer experience sex.
It's not just your mentality towards sex, its EVERYTHING.
You start not caring about yourself _AT ALL_

Would I advice against PE? yes, if you have a average sized penis, don't risk it.
But if you have a "small penis" and you want to try, sure go ahead, MOST LIKELY nothing bad will come of it, but you have to ask yourself what risk you are willing to take.
I want to compare it to steroids, most people handle it pretty well, some get bad side effects and some kill themselves from severe depression.


Reading your symptoms, seems like there is no permanent damage done.
Just lay off PE and "hard sex" for a few weeks and it'll heal up, but you should really evaulate if you want to continue after that...

I agree. It's ridiculous you got banned for stating the truth. People who don't believe you are dumb/stupid

I have an injury since May 2019.

It was during a hanging session with the LG Hanger. My penis accidently got erect during a hanging session & the wrapping had come off my glans.

When I took off the LG? I noticed my shaft just below my glans was swollen.

There was a lump because of the vacuum from the LG hanger & my glans was twisted clockwise around 45 degrees.

My upper shaft ( around 1 inch below my glans) as well as my glans is bent inwards & upwards

So I decided to stop doing any PE altogether hoping the injury was temporary & that my glans would straighten out by itself. But here I am 15 months later & my glans is still twisted 45 degrees.

Instead of being (I) pointed at 12 o'clock it's (/) pointed at 10 o'clock.

My glans is twisted when flaccid, half erect & erect. It's embarrassing.

First I thought this injury would be temporary but now it looks like it's permanant!

 

[Mike_b]

I agree. It's ridiculous you got banned for stating the truth. People who don't believe you are dumb/stupid

I have an injury since May 2019.

It was during a hanging session with the LG Hanger. My penis accidently got erect during a hanging session & the wrapping had come off my glans.

When I took off the LG? I noticed my shaft just below my glans was swollen.

There was a lump because of the vacuum from the LG hanger & my glans was twisted clockwise around 45 degrees.

My upper shaft ( around 1 inch below my glans) as well as my glans is bent inwards & upwards

So I decided to stop doing any PE altogether hoping the injury was temporary & that my glans would straighten out by itself. But here I am 15 months later & my glans is still twisted 45 degrees.

Instead of being (I) pointed at 12 o'clock it's (/) pointed at 10 o'clock.

My glans is twisted when flaccid, half erect & erect. It's embarrassing.

First I thought this injury would be temporary but now it looks like it's permanant!

Have you seen a surgical urologist? Write down all the stuff you wrote down and tell him that. Perhaps find a specialist who's the best in the field still having a chance though it could be fixed. My friend Larry wouldn't settle for less. As a paramedic he knew how to fight this stuff, he had 5 surgeries man. I'm just trying to let you know there is hope. Larry is effing like an 18 year old again and still dirtbiking with a 3 piece implant. Man if they could fix these two guys: Wayne Bobbitt who had his dick impaled, Christ bearer the rapper who chopped off his own dick, they sewed him up even though he lost some length. Thankfully he had a large unit. I was doing pretty crappy at onset too: my dick would turn upside down whenever I madturbated with a bludgeon spot of blood on the shaft. I was gonna reach out to my uncle overseas a doctor, to see if he had any colleagues that could help. This is hell on earth man. Please get well soon.

 

[Davis Carter]

Davis I wouldn't lie to you, I've had this injury for 15 years. It took a lot of conditioning to get the rest I needed. Giving up on runs in the morning, sleeping in instead. Always sitting in my lazy chair, going for short walks or rides, mostly hanging out with my parents for so long I'm 37 by the way. This slow way of living got my dick to a nice relaxed state. Now I can start healing or end it proactively. IF Your so intent on wanting to heal, I would say start living a more relaxed life ie nowhere to wake up in the morning. So yeah, start with stress leave from your physician, unwind THEN play doctor to yourself. This may or may not help. But it's worth a try eh? Especially After being anxious on top of anxious. Our dicks are our babies if they are in danger we need to take care of them. This is the approach that worked for me with a little help from Jesus on the way.

Could my dorsal nerve be teared, how can I test this ?

Dear brother, I just want to know if I am injured or not, because I have no clue. How could I test it ? what are your symptoms ? I have no knowledge on this issue, please help me with some info, what can I test at my penis ? the ligament ? the nerves ? I do still have damage ?

Guys I honestly need your help, this is a thread of damaged penises, how can I check if I have damage still from my injury in 2017 ? I am ready to pay as much money as it needs to test my penis insides, just please tell me what exactly tests I need to do ?

I need support from all this forum staff, you read enough of stories and know what the deal is about. Thing is, I think I did the most hardcore thing anyone could do with his penis , I tell the story again:

I pulled it with full force for many seconds in all possible directions in 2017 then I lost erection 1 year.

I have recovered my premature ejaculation after 1 year, from cumming in 2 seconds I managed to last 2 hours.

The only remaining problem is that I have a feeling that my erection is not as steel as before, I cannot get it up by myself while standing and when I am with a girl it sometimes feels that it's not full erect but I am not sure .

I just need your honest help, with all due respect I kindly ask you to help me and guide me what tests I can do to see if I have someting broken down there, a nerve or ligament or whatever, because I live in a 3rd world country with urologists giving me viagra without even checking my blood tests.

Please guys help me with your advice on how can I check if anything is fine down there.

 

[Mike_b]

Dear brother, I just want to know if I am injured or not, because I have no clue. How could I test it ? what are your symptoms ? I have no knowledge on this issue, please help me with some info, what can I test at my penis ? the ligament ? the nerves ? I do still have damage ?

My guess is as good as yours, I'm perplexed as well. The only things I haven't tried would be sex therapist and sexual medicine. I did luck out with a cool hip young urologist. I used to talk to him about boxing. My mental state drove him to the ground, neurotic and being too controlling. When I look at his ratings now I see he has a lot of good results but he wasn't my ticket, I fudged it up with my neurosis/ fear. My point is you may have to "luck out" to find a guy like this. Especially with high levels of anxiety. I see the picture: we walk in there on eggshells with hope on our mind but fear. We put our trust in the uro but not all of it because we've been burnt in the past. We make it hard to work with, so do they. They somehow put our question into they're own heads saying to themselves they have no clue. Then they shut the door without helping us. THIS has got to change. Especially when we come to them at our weakest knowing that they have all the control!

I'm trying this for my next uro visit: a list of symptoms and questions to ask. Fuck I might as well type the list; here goes

Dr m told me I had lacerations in my tunica
My eq is pretty bad
I'm scared I might not have sex for the rest of my life
Is there any way to stitch them up?
Feeling depressed over my dick
Q. Why does it hurt?
How often should I go to physio?
Would a doppler with an erection be beneficial?
... that's half of what I've written, so you can see I'm at his helm/ mercy. You just gotta ask the right questions curtailed to your situation. Being a self advocate is hard but it's worth it. I'm just praying everyday that people with penile injuries get a fair shake including myself. Sometimes thinking has no boundries/ limits while reality does. Stick to the game plan and conform it into fruition. Come equipped with a paper and just talk.tell him what's on your mind. If you found you wrote something you may change your mind and not say it's up to you as well. Reread the whole page and make sure it's 100%. I'm not a genius this is all new to me too that last list. The only stupid questions are the ones not asked...sorry for all the cliches man that's all I can help with.

Tbh I go for my last physio visit on friday this week. To tell you the truth they tell me to ask them questions too. I'm beating around the bush now, but with all sincerety I see my uro in September. Wish me luck, I'll keep you posted.

 

[Davis Carter]

I don`t rule out the possibility that is all in my head due to 1 year of severe anxiety and stress; but honestly it really feels less erect and less sensation down there, so might aswell not be all in my head. That's why I am asking about what exactly can I test down there to rule out all possible issues. I am an open-minded person, not fixed in "my obsession" , I just want a list with what tests can be done to see if anything is well down there

 

[Mike_b]

Davis, trying to bump this thread, your query was what tests to take right?