Blink, not sure if you have covered the following question. What is your take on doing some manual stretches (5-10min) before the hanging session, to loosen the ligs up abit?
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Effectively, hanging does the same thing as a manual stretch, just with more force (as you move into the higher weights). As an extreme example, guys like Dustpan who can hang 75lbs probably can't benefit much from manual stretches.
I don't think that manual stretches would hurt at all, but I think the benefit will diminish after a while. Over time, your ligs will become harder & harder to deform. Once you completely maximize lig gains (by using the lower angles like SD, BTC), you'll be ready to move on to tunica deformation work (e.g. RSDT).
I don't think that manual stretches would hurt at all, but I think the benefit will diminish after a while. Over time, your ligs will become harder & harder to deform. Once you completely maximize lig gains (by using the lower angles like SD, BTC), you'll be ready to move on to tunica deformation work (e.g. RSDT).
New to hanging, have read the above a few times..Many Thanks for the trouble writing it blink.
Have done JP's routine twice to condition my unit.
Started hanging this week, 3x20 minutes at 1KG ( 2.2lbs )
Will stay at this weight for a couple of weeks before increasing...
Length is the goal at the moment....again Cheers !
Have done JP's routine twice to condition my unit.
Started hanging this week, 3x20 minutes at 1KG ( 2.2lbs )
Will stay at this weight for a couple of weeks before increasing...
Length is the goal at the moment....again Cheers !
I don't know that it "has been demonstrated" that those who do heavy girth work have trouble making length gains. I don't count Bib or others having said so, without some other evidence to support the theory, as constituting a "demonstration".
It has been demonstrated that with any and all forms of PE some guys tend to gain length but little girth, and some girth but little length, but I don't think any physiological reason has been established for this observation. It may well be that guys who did heavy girth work did not gain much length, but that isn't the same as establishing that they failed to gain length because they did girth work. Conversely, there are surely guys who have gained a good deal of length with little girth gain, but again, this does not establish a cause and effect relationship.
In the absence of a very large randomized trial of participating members, it would be very difficult to garner evidence that someone's girth gains actually hindered subsequent length gains.
It has been demonstrated that with any and all forms of PE some guys tend to gain length but little girth, and some girth but little length, but I don't think any physiological reason has been established for this observation. It may well be that guys who did heavy girth work did not gain much length, but that isn't the same as establishing that they failed to gain length because they did girth work. Conversely, there are surely guys who have gained a good deal of length with little girth gain, but again, this does not establish a cause and effect relationship.
In the absence of a very large randomized trial of participating members, it would be very difficult to garner evidence that someone's girth gains actually hindered subsequent length gains.
overunderin: good luck with things.
redbear52: Most of our PE knowledge is based on the success, failure, & collected wisdom of those who have gone before us. We can ignore it, or try to use it to our advantage (e.g. length first, girth second). This has been demonstrated many times with anecdotal evidence. As they say the proof is in the pudding. PE itself is "unproven", yet we know it works based on experience. The length first, girth second advice is based on this same type of logic.
The advice is based on the experience of many who have done progressively more advanced girth routines for long periods of time and have substantially scarred and toughened their penile tissues. These PE veterans were disappointed when their length gains were stunted. We don't want others to experience the same issues. You're welcome to ignore or follow it. Personally, I am going to follow this rule, because I believe the veterans I learned it from.
redbear52: Most of our PE knowledge is based on the success, failure, & collected wisdom of those who have gone before us. We can ignore it, or try to use it to our advantage (e.g. length first, girth second). This has been demonstrated many times with anecdotal evidence. As they say the proof is in the pudding. PE itself is "unproven", yet we know it works based on experience. The length first, girth second advice is based on this same type of logic.
The advice is based on the experience of many who have done progressively more advanced girth routines for long periods of time and have substantially scarred and toughened their penile tissues. These PE veterans were disappointed when their length gains were stunted. We don't want others to experience the same issues. You're welcome to ignore or follow it. Personally, I am going to follow this rule, because I believe the veterans I learned it from.
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A hypothesis is a hypothesis and remains a hypothesis even if one million people repeat it. You keep talking about this having been "demonstrated". If you know of some real evidence other than someone having expressed this as conjecture and it having been accepted as "the conventional wisdom", why don't you kindly share this "large body of evidence"?
the problem i have with the stretchers is that they just kill the skin they press against once u start adding pressure, even with something to help soften it still hurts badly after 2-3 hours, another problem is that once in a while they move around and u get a nice bulge sticking up in ur pants due to LOT, if it shifts a tiny bit you loose pressure or so forth. Dont forget the skin the base presses against getting pinched and so forth. A rubber band connected to the leg is always there.
I guess as no one has tried it i'll be the genie pig.
just gotta get me some tape.
The first week i'll try it with just the vac cup on, then i'll slowly start adding pressure.
basically i want to be able to make this comfortable to be able to wear it continuously, not 5 hours a day of hell.
I guess as no one has tried it i'll be the genie pig.
just gotta get me some tape.
The first week i'll try it with just the vac cup on, then i'll slowly start adding pressure.
basically i want to be able to make this comfortable to be able to wear it continuously, not 5 hours a day of hell.
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TheAssMan:
Edit: It sounds like you're talking about an extender maybe? I wouldn't combine that with hanging ever.
redbear52:
Length First, Girth Second: For me this is just common sense, & a PE fundamental. While some may get away with ignoring this, it seems safer to follow the advice.
I welcome your challenge. For anyone else who reads this thread and decides they want to challenge the length first, girth second theory, let's use that thread to discuss this:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16295-length-first-girth-second.html#post156952
Edit: It sounds like you're talking about an extender maybe? I wouldn't combine that with hanging ever.
redbear52:
Length First, Girth Second: For me this is just common sense, & a PE fundamental. While some may get away with ignoring this, it seems safer to follow the advice.
I welcome your challenge. For anyone else who reads this thread and decides they want to challenge the length first, girth second theory, let's use that thread to discuss this:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16295-length-first-girth-second.html#post156952
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Is there any way to do weights using home utilities and paraphernalia? I mean I may not have a budget or the willpower to start buying these contraptions.
Setting Up Your Weights With Carabiners
Setting Up Your Weights With Carabiners
Yes, there's ways to save money absolutely. The best way to reduce the cost is to build your own hanger.
Build Your Own Hanger
There's a few different homemade hanger attachments, the captains wench & the muzzle hanger can also be used for ADS, or manual stretching purposes also. I'm not as familiar with the sock hanger, but that might also work for those purposes too. All of these have pictures and instructions, except the sock hanger guide appears to have no illustration(s):
Captain's Wench Hanger - Instructions
Muzzle Hanger - Instructions
Sock Hanger - Instructions
I just realized there's also a few things I do which I have never read elsewhere (either others have not done it, or just not shared it, who knows). Also, I'll elaborate a bit on how much weight to buy. If you want to save money, just start with 10lbs of weight. I strongly recommend you set up your weight so you have enough to always adjust in 1/2lb increments. This will allow you to really fine-tune your hanging (and 1/2lb increments definitely help a lot when you're first starting out).
Buying Weights
The weights, fishing weights, & 4" pvc halfpipe can be either purchased at Wal-Mart or your local hardware store. In fact, things like the 4" PVC halfpipe on the front of my chair & my fishing weights had to be homemade; I don't think there were other alternatives. A 5lb and 2.5lb weight are pretty cheap; if you get a 10lb weight too, you should easily have enough weight to last you at least several months or over a year. If you make 2x 1lb fishing weights & 1x .5lb fishing weight, you'll have a total of 20lbs (10 + 5 + 2.5 + 1 + 1 + .5).
If you wanted to add another 5lb plate that would allow up to 25lbs. Very few ever hang more than that, it takes years, or extreme dedication to build up to that. Dustpan eventually reach 30lbs (maybe 20 minute sets?) and Bib eventually reached about 45lbs (also for full sets possibly). I think both of them did at least 3 years in a row of hanging (maybe more in the case of Bib, I would have to double-check his history).
Sport Climbing: Carabiners
I used to do a lot of sport climbing during my college years. A close friend of mine was an extremely good climber who happened to have all the gear. While sport climbing, he would always lead-climb, using spring-loaded Cams in cracks (where there were no bolts), or Carabiners in areas that had bolts. I spent years climbing, so I think I internalized some of the concepts about keeping things safe / stable / convenient, etc.
When I saw cheap 99 cent Carabiners at Wal-Mart I was reminded of sport climbing and I immediately thought having a quick-release Carabiner on each weight plate would make things easier for me (for adding or removing weight). It seemed logical, stable & maybe even safer too (less chance of a weight falling on my foot or the weights falling apart during a set, etc.).
Above: Here's a picture of a real Caribineer (real ones cost about $6.50 vs. $.99 at Wal-Mart for the cheap ones).
Carabiners for Hanging (Quick Release = Convenient)
I like Carabiners because I can quickly add & remove them. I change weight during my sets quite often. I'm always adding weight if I am not getting fatigue or removing weight if I feel I am reaching the point of pain. I have noticed that the Carabiners can get slippery when I have lotion on my hands (I am often using lotion when I hang to avoid stretch marks and help my skin stretch). As long as I don't go crazy with the lotion, and as long as my room is not too hot (sweat), things are usually fine.
I like these Carabiners because of the quick release capacity they have. I can quickly add or remove weight from my hanger. My bib hanger also has a small figure 8 S-type hook (you could add your own to a home-made hanger too). It's not exactly an S--it's a figure 8 with one closed loop, and one partially open loop. That partially open loop is where I add or remove my 2x 1lb weights and my .5lb weight. I usually try to configure things so that most of my changes during a set are done from the S-hook, while I remove bigger plates which I have attached with Carabiners to the blue strap of my Bib Hanger.
Attaching Carabiners to The Weight Plates
I used polyester rope (its white, thick & sort of soft) to attach a Carabiner to each of my weight plates (see the image in hanging 101). I used a lighter to melt a square knot into place on the weight plate as well (square knots don't slip when firmly in place). I tied the Carabiner as close as possible to the weight. I had a looser knot at first, but it was annoying when the weight would hang too low and bump the ground or the feet/legs (whatever) of the chair. I still have to raise my chair sometimes, but not nearly as much.
Setting Up Your Weights With Carabiners
Yes, there's ways to save money absolutely. The best way to reduce the cost is to build your own hanger.
Build Your Own Hanger
There's a few different homemade hanger attachments, the captains wench & the muzzle hanger can also be used for ADS, or manual stretching purposes also. I'm not as familiar with the sock hanger, but that might also work for those purposes too. All of these have pictures and instructions, except the sock hanger guide appears to have no illustration(s):
Captain's Wench Hanger - Instructions
Muzzle Hanger - Instructions
Sock Hanger - Instructions
I just realized there's also a few things I do which I have never read elsewhere (either others have not done it, or just not shared it, who knows). Also, I'll elaborate a bit on how much weight to buy. If you want to save money, just start with 10lbs of weight. I strongly recommend you set up your weight so you have enough to always adjust in 1/2lb increments. This will allow you to really fine-tune your hanging (and 1/2lb increments definitely help a lot when you're first starting out).
Buying Weights
The weights, fishing weights, & 4" pvc halfpipe can be either purchased at Wal-Mart or your local hardware store. In fact, things like the 4" PVC halfpipe on the front of my chair & my fishing weights had to be homemade; I don't think there were other alternatives. A 5lb and 2.5lb weight are pretty cheap; if you get a 10lb weight too, you should easily have enough weight to last you at least several months or over a year. If you make 2x 1lb fishing weights & 1x .5lb fishing weight, you'll have a total of 20lbs (10 + 5 + 2.5 + 1 + 1 + .5).
If you wanted to add another 5lb plate that would allow up to 25lbs. Very few ever hang more than that, it takes years, or extreme dedication to build up to that. Dustpan eventually reach 30lbs (maybe 20 minute sets?) and Bib eventually reached about 45lbs (also for full sets possibly). I think both of them did at least 3 years in a row of hanging (maybe more in the case of Bib, I would have to double-check his history).
Sport Climbing: Carabiners
I used to do a lot of sport climbing during my college years. A close friend of mine was an extremely good climber who happened to have all the gear. While sport climbing, he would always lead-climb, using spring-loaded Cams in cracks (where there were no bolts), or Carabiners in areas that had bolts. I spent years climbing, so I think I internalized some of the concepts about keeping things safe / stable / convenient, etc.
When I saw cheap 99 cent Carabiners at Wal-Mart I was reminded of sport climbing and I immediately thought having a quick-release Carabiner on each weight plate would make things easier for me (for adding or removing weight). It seemed logical, stable & maybe even safer too (less chance of a weight falling on my foot or the weights falling apart during a set, etc.).
Above: Here's a picture of a real Caribineer (real ones cost about $6.50 vs. $.99 at Wal-Mart for the cheap ones).
Carabiners for Hanging (Quick Release = Convenient)
I like Carabiners because I can quickly add & remove them. I change weight during my sets quite often. I'm always adding weight if I am not getting fatigue or removing weight if I feel I am reaching the point of pain. I have noticed that the Carabiners can get slippery when I have lotion on my hands (I am often using lotion when I hang to avoid stretch marks and help my skin stretch). As long as I don't go crazy with the lotion, and as long as my room is not too hot (sweat), things are usually fine.
I like these Carabiners because of the quick release capacity they have. I can quickly add or remove weight from my hanger. My bib hanger also has a small figure 8 S-type hook (you could add your own to a home-made hanger too). It's not exactly an S--it's a figure 8 with one closed loop, and one partially open loop. That partially open loop is where I add or remove my 2x 1lb weights and my .5lb weight. I usually try to configure things so that most of my changes during a set are done from the S-hook, while I remove bigger plates which I have attached with Carabiners to the blue strap of my Bib Hanger.
Attaching Carabiners to The Weight Plates
I used polyester rope (its white, thick & sort of soft) to attach a Carabiner to each of my weight plates (see the image in hanging 101). I used a lighter to melt a square knot into place on the weight plate as well (square knots don't slip when firmly in place). I tied the Carabiner as close as possible to the weight. I had a looser knot at first, but it was annoying when the weight would hang too low and bump the ground or the feet/legs (whatever) of the chair. I still have to raise my chair sometimes, but not nearly as much.
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well the entire point of me using a rubber band is to keep lower pressure but keep it on as close to 24-7 as possible.
also where do you get your m3 tape at? tried cvs walgreens none has it
also where do you get your m3 tape at? tried cvs walgreens none has it
Thank you so much
I don't know of any brick & mortar retail outlet that carries the tape. You may have to get it online:
amazon.com/3M-Micropore-White-Surgical-Tape/dp/B0009I68FE 1/2" wide white or tan, box of 24x rolls $12.05
I order off amazon frequently, I have never been disappointed (so far). You could also try Ebay.
Thera-Band:
I can't recall the thread, but someone was asking to buy Thera-Band. Bib sells it, or you can buy it from sites like Amazon, or any physical therapy supply site. I hear "Silver 22 mils" (Thera-band) is the correct type to buy. "Gold 25 mils" might work as well. The rest are too thin probably (15mils or less).
"YogaAccessories (TM) Precut 6' Thera-Band" $7.59 + shipping for 6' (enough to last a long time)
amazon.com/Precut-Thera-Band-Silver-22-mils/dp/B0023XFG7E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1281971502&sr=8-1
I may have to buy some to make sure this is all correct, but I suspect this will work.
I can't recall the thread, but someone was asking to buy Thera-Band. Bib sells it, or you can buy it from sites like Amazon, or any physical therapy supply site. I hear "Silver 22 mils" (Thera-band) is the correct type to buy. "Gold 25 mils" might work as well. The rest are too thin probably (15mils or less).
"YogaAccessories (TM) Precut 6' Thera-Band" $7.59 + shipping for 6' (enough to last a long time)
amazon.com/Precut-Thera-Band-Silver-22-mils/dp/B0023XFG7E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1281971502&sr=8-1
I may have to buy some to make sure this is all correct, but I suspect this will work.
I just want to add one more note:
On my 4" PVC halfpipe, sometimes it bothers me when I am doing other things. I just slide it down under the front of the chair when I'm working.
Also, when I PE, I always just use a towel (since I'm not wearing pants), but I make sure the towel stays behind the half-pipe. And of course I pull the 4" PVC half-pipe back up whenever I am hanging.
Once I'm done with the BTC & SD angles, I'll probably start using an RSDT fulcrum. I'll post more on that eventually (I don't think I have said much about it yet). I'll make my own & post pictures of it, and probably write an article on how it's used.
On my 4" PVC halfpipe, sometimes it bothers me when I am doing other things. I just slide it down under the front of the chair when I'm working.
Also, when I PE, I always just use a towel (since I'm not wearing pants), but I make sure the towel stays behind the half-pipe. And of course I pull the 4" PVC half-pipe back up whenever I am hanging.
Once I'm done with the BTC & SD angles, I'll probably start using an RSDT fulcrum. I'll post more on that eventually (I don't think I have said much about it yet). I'll make my own & post pictures of it, and probably write an article on how it's used.
I added a better diagram of the bib starter hanger (towards the beginning), updated hanging links (blinks' hanging tips now available here at PEGYM instead of an outside link)...
I also added a "Sample Routine". Remember to go by feel when it comes to weight, and that the weight numbers are maximums. I am never able to hang my maximum weight for more than 1x 20 minute set, and sometimes I only make it a few minutes at a new maximum. At least in my personal experience, I try to hang my maximum weight at 15-20 minutes solid before I move to the next weight.
E.G. Let's say I reached 10lbs, and my previous maximum was 9.5lbs. My first day I might only last 5 minutes at 10lbs, and I might go a few days where I can't hang 10lbs again. But then when I'm able to hang 10lbs for 20 minutes, I go ahead & try 10.5lbs the next set, or the next day depending on whether I feel like I can do it.
There's no hard and fast rules except to avoid sharp pain (bad) and go by feel + ride that fatigue (and of course don't increase time or weight too fast, this is why those guidelines are given!) Just use what you need to reach fatigue, then drop the weight as needed / if needed & do it every day.
I also added a "Sample Routine". Remember to go by feel when it comes to weight, and that the weight numbers are maximums. I am never able to hang my maximum weight for more than 1x 20 minute set, and sometimes I only make it a few minutes at a new maximum. At least in my personal experience, I try to hang my maximum weight at 15-20 minutes solid before I move to the next weight.
E.G. Let's say I reached 10lbs, and my previous maximum was 9.5lbs. My first day I might only last 5 minutes at 10lbs, and I might go a few days where I can't hang 10lbs again. But then when I'm able to hang 10lbs for 20 minutes, I go ahead & try 10.5lbs the next set, or the next day depending on whether I feel like I can do it.
There's no hard and fast rules except to avoid sharp pain (bad) and go by feel + ride that fatigue (and of course don't increase time or weight too fast, this is why those guidelines are given!) Just use what you need to reach fatigue, then drop the weight as needed / if needed & do it every day.
I added a new diagram (which I created) to help understand how to wrap:
First, the flaccid is stretched out with one hand, while the other hand wraps it.
With a traditional hanger, the first two passes of theraband are perpendicular to the shaft (see image). The rest are angled slightly down and should be maybe 1/4" apart (maybe more maybe less), so that the flaccid shaft is mostly covered.
First, the flaccid is stretched out with one hand, while the other hand wraps it.
With a traditional hanger, the first two passes of theraband are perpendicular to the shaft (see image). The rest are angled slightly down and should be maybe 1/4" apart (maybe more maybe less), so that the flaccid shaft is mostly covered.
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Hello im new here, i have 3 questions to ask
1.Can u clamp on the same day that u hang
2.How many times should u hang a day at max and for how long in a rep
3.Can u suffer shinkage sometime from hanging
1.Can u clamp on the same day that u hang
2.How many times should u hang a day at max and for how long in a rep
3.Can u suffer shinkage sometime from hanging
