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btw do you think you could post a picture of your chair so the guys that want to hang and use a chair can look at yours as model.
 

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You're right--I realize I didn't attach any pictures, and its a pretty big guide. I'm sure some pictures even of just the devices would help people. The chair, the home made weights, theraband, etc. Normally my wife does everything with pictures (I hardly use the camera). She might think its weird for me to take pictures of the chair ... I'll probably have to wait until she's asleep sometime...
 
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I added a glossary section to answer all of your questions. In fact, I've been re-writing parts of the article to try and improve it, make it more clear, and make it more useful.

You should know LOT. It's the "Loss of Tug" theory, created by Bib. It's already covered in JP's 90 Day Beginner Routine (by JonPop).
I thought covering it again seemed too redundant.

Sorry if I wasn't clear.. I do understand LOT, but what I meant to ask was: what hanging angles would be most productive for the different LOTs? Like, if I have a 7:30 LOT, what angle would be ideal to hang at?
 

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Ok, first of all, I don't want to go off-topic. This is not a theory page, this is just hanging 101. Don't focus so much on LOT that you lose sight of the big picture.

JP 90 Routine page: "You always want to exercise AGAINST the TUG". If you want to pick an angle based on LOT, pick one that goes against the tug. If the tug is at a low angle, you pick a high angle, and so forth. If you're still confused either don't worry about LOT, or find some threads on the subject. Really, this article is just on hanging. The forum I came from was anti-LOT theory, so I have not overly concerned myself with the theory. My lot was high, so I started with a low hanging angle. End of story.

What you should worry about is picking an angle that meets your goals, a primary angle of attack, and you STICK with that angle until you achieve deformation and gains, and until you max out your possible gains at that angle. Then you pick a new angle and do it again. DON'T do a shotgun approach. Stay focused, achieve fatigue daily, and be consistent. Avoid rest periods of 7 days or more without any hanging or you're at risk to lose most of your conditioning (the skin loses conditioning quickly). Even single days of complete rest (not a single hanging set) might be counterproductive (since you'll heal shorter).
 

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New Complementary LOT Theory Article
Stretch Armstrong, I made a LOT Theory Thread here:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theory-science-forum/16112-lot-loss-tugback-theory.html

This article now includes an explanation of what LOT theory is, how to determine it, as well as the Mirror and Palpitation test. I hope you find the additional information helpful. Once you read the latest version of the article (It's several pages), you'll see why I think LOT theory deserves its own thread in the science section of the forum.

Article Revisions
Just a note, if you've read this more than once and it seems different each time, you're right! I keep revising it lately. I think I'm finally happy with the article. It's a good thing that I've been able to go back and edit the article. I added things such as how I use cocoa butter lotion or vitamin E lotion to prevent skin cracking, and a number of other details that I think will help new hangers have a better, safer experience.

I even include grooming issues (like shaving vs razors). I added a pubic grooming article to the forum as well to try and advise even on this. I this is a tangent off the topic of hanging, except that seriously ingrown hairs leading to an infection could actually halt your PE workouts for a while. The related guide on pubic hair grooming is listed towards the end of the hanging 101 guide.

The rest of the changes are just minor content changes or grammatical changes. If anyone sees issues with the article, or disagrees feel free to either PM me, or post a response.

I promise I wont bite............................. hard.
 
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Images added:
Image 1: basic PE equipment (carabineers, 10lbs total in weights, fishing weights, HTW wraps, Theraband, Bib Hanger)
Image 2: 4" PVC halfpipe tied to the front of a chair, suitable for SO, SD, and BTC angles
 

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Thanks for taking the time to make the guide. I just did my first session today of 3 X 20min btc (i assume thats the term for sitting down) at 2.5 lbs. Didnt have much pain, I actually liked the feeling. However my glans was cold after each session. Is this a problem? I'm using the sock method outlined by Big Al I believe and if the shoe laces arent tight then the sock slips. Any thoughts? Thanks.
 

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Your glans might end up being cold at first no matter what. If your glans are blueish at all, then that's a problem. If your glans look like a 'normal' color, then you should be ok. If I am worried about circulation, during the middle of my set I quickly remove the weight, loosen my hanger, and I can feel the blood rush back in (but I leave everything in place, so I don't have to reset my hanger). I then squeeze the blood out of my glans again, tighten the hanger, do a pulse push to make sure things are OK, then I re-attach the weight. I don't stop the timer--I just try to do this quickly.

This is easy with the Bib hanger, it might not be possible/practical with a sock hanger.

Sitting down, with the 4" PVC halfpipe I can reach SO (or close), SD, UTL, or BTC. There's no term for sitting down, since it could actually mean several different things. I will guess you were hanging SD, which is actually very different from BTC. With BTC, you'll feel a very intense skin stretch for a long while. It took me at least a few weeks to adapt to BTC, and it was the angle I could hang the least weight from.

BTC, "between the cheeks" means your hips point towards the ceiling, and your penis hangs towards your anus. Your shaft splits your testicles (otherwise, you'll smash your balls). To reach BTC, I slide my butt all the way forward to the edge of my chair, I lean back and let my hips point up so that the hanger rests either on my buttcheeks or on the 4" PVC halfpipe (see the illustration). When I feel the hanger touch my butt cheeks, I know I can't go any deeper.

With SD (straight down), I just sit up normally and my penis hangs straight down. The 4" PVC half-pipe helps my penis and hanger stay straight. Initially, I could do at least twice the weight SD as I could BTC. However, I have been working on the BTC angle for months now, and I can almost hang as much weight this way, as I can SD. The BTC angle is good especially if you have a high LOT.

Personally, I'm trying to use the angle to stretch my suspensory ligaments... With continued work over the coming months, my flaccid will hang much lower and longer. I can already see a major improvement in my flaccid length due to this type of hanging. There's a surgery doctors do to cut these ligaments. This allows the flaccid penis hang lower. However, the surgery can't increase erect length (while in contrast, hanging will increase your erect length). Surgery can also causes scar tissue and sometimes even disfiguration.

To illustrate where and what the suspensory ligaments are, I have attached an image
 

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What I mean to say is, hanging can have a similar effect to that surgery without scarring and without cutting ligaments (speaking of penile surgery, I have read many, many horror stories, and no one will ever advise it unless its an absolute medical necessity. most guys end up disappointed with smaller penises.) Anyway, back to the topic of hanging...

Another important factor to consider is that the Tunica is the most difficult part of your penile anatomy to deform. The suspensory ligaments in contrast can be lengthened over a much shorter period of time.

Some veteran PE community members believe that the suspensory ligaments must be deformed first in order to truly start lengthening the Tunica. Their conversation is in this thread:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-...choosing-your-angle-target-right-anatomy.html

I believe this conversation may refer to the origin of LOT theory. The idea is to hang at the right angle to stretch your ligaments, and get your easy gains first, then move on to the tougher Tunica. I believe this is why Bib suggests hangers use LOT theory to determine their initial hanging angle. Get the easy ligament deformation gains first, then focus on the Tunica. The gains from deforming the Tunica come much more slowly, and require more weight.
 

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I updated the VAC Hanging section and added an attached picture of AutoXleeve + the Components (the most popular VAC Hanger). Autoextender was the next most popular VAC hanger, but for some reason the manufacturer discontinued it.

Something not in the Hanging 101 article:
It appears the Blue Silicone Sleeves (AutoXleeve) are good up to 15lbs (beyond that they tear)
It appears the Red Silicone Sleeves (AutoXleeve) are good up to 20lbs (beyond that they tear)

I also made a correction: VAC hangers do use a wrap, but they don't cover the whole penis. Mostly just the glans. They almost universally use 3M Micropore tape; its the only kind of tape that doesn't leave residual adhesive. Some use fabric tape on top of the 3M tape, but most don't.

I also updated the contrast between VAC Hangers and Traditional Hangers. VAC hangers have a constant ongoing cost since eventually the silicone sleeves always tear. Long term, VAC hangers are substantially more expensive than Bib hangers (or other traditional hangers).
 
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Wanted to thank you for your posts. I was having some difficulty with bruising from hanging and after reading this thread realized wrap was too tight and to far down the shaft. Still getting some red dots but that can't be helped at my age and medical status.

Have a question for you. Got off hanging for a couple of weeks due to the afore mentioned bruising and went to the jelqing tool. Bruising cleared up and went back to light hanging over the past couple of days. Was curious why you say you must/should go one way or the other. All hanging or all jelqing, an over simplification I realize. Thought to do 20 minutes of hanging per day, with 20lb ( have been at it since last September) and 10 minutes with the jelqing device.
 

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Hanging 101: Don't Mix This Length Routine With Any Girth Routines
frb3: if you've been hanging a year, then clearly you have a substantial amount of experience, and you can make decisions based on that. This guide is written for beginning hangers, it's only hanging 101. However, no hanger, no matter how advanced should ever mix girth work with length work. It's just not common sense, since girth work can cause losses in length and it's very intense. Combining two very contradictory, very intense exercises is just not safe!

Advanced Girth Work + Hanging = Nonsense (& Potential Injuries)
It has been demonstrated that those who have done heavy girth work (horse440's, clamping, ulis, etc) tend to have trouble making length gains. The long term conditioning from the girth work makes the penis incredibly tough, and very difficult to deform with normal length work. This is why you'll usually get the advice "length first, girth second".

This is also why I said not to mix hanging with other routines; hanging is very intense, and significantly weakens your tunica, ligaments, etc. Something that might make sense with a manual routine could be very dangerous with hanging. I don't want people to get injured, so my blanket advice is to play it safe. Jelqing with a high erection is girth work, while jelqing downward, with very slight erection (the opposite end of the spectrum) is length work. Although jelqs are not hardcore girth work, I think your own experience indicates that hanging + jelqing is too much force for your penis to handle.

I don't know your medical situation, but the bruising (injury) implies that Jelqs + Hanging = Too much.

20lbs is a lot of force and the attachment point stress on your penis shouldn't be underestimated. Those tissues get fatigued with hanging, making them vulnerable to injury. Those forces combined with jelqing are very hard on your penis. You can do research and come to your own conclusions, and in the end what you do is your choice. At least based on my experience, and based on what I know, I just can't advocate mixing hanging with another routine (like clamping), hanging erect, or doing anything else which might cause an injury.

Don't Let it Turtle: Golf Swing Weights
A lot of experienced hangers do use golf weights to prevent turtling. Someone that has just started hanging is probably trying to figure out what fatigue is, and is going through a lot of skin stretching, and adapting to attachment point stresses. They are already going to be sore, so adding anything extra is not advisable. That's why I didn't mention this in "Hanging 101". If you do try this out, you may want to do it during a week where you have not increased your hang time, or your hanging weight.

Adding a light ADS, like golf swing weights could be helpful, since this would encourage your penis to heal in a more elongated state. 3x Golf Swing Weights only weigh about 1lb, so they wont do much at all to an experienced hanger that has adjusted to long periods of hanging with a lot of weight. Of course, the rule still applies that if you feel any pain at all, you should reduce the weight, or remove it completely if necessary (common sense always applies!).

With Golf Swing Weights, you need to make sure to wrap as lightly as possible (without allowing slippage), and it's important to leave the glans uncovered so you can monitor things and assure you're not losing circulation (cold glans, bluish glans, purplish glans etc can imply circulation issues). It's best to check every 20 minutes to make sure you don't lose circulation with any ADS / Extender device.

Advice to Frb3: I'm Trying to Give Something Constructive
I don't know your complete situation, so it is hard for me to advise you. As I said before, the jelqs + hanging appear to be causing the damage (bruising). I don't want to leave you with nothing, so I'll give you something constructive (not just criticism). You could experiment with an extender to increase the intensity of your length work (if time is an issue and you can't hang at least 10 hours per week).

Hanging + an Extender?
Edit: this is a bad idea. Don't even try this; we have seen at least one nasty injury from this kind of experimentation.

Edit: If you try an extender + hanging proceed you will probably break your penis. I warned you!
 
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Thanks for the excellent response. Will have to go back to manual PE since there is no way for me to get off the medication.

frb
 

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Flaccid Jelqs (for length)
Do you jelq with a high erection? You could try very flaccid downward jelqs with a very low erection (length focused jelqs with a 5% to 40% erection). Maybe that could still be complementary to hanging. Is that what you were doing already? (at what erection % were you jelqing?)

Bruising
In your case, you know this might be a false positive for a serious injury, since everything you do is causing you to bleed. Maybe you can find a way to minimize the bleeding... also you mentioned some discoloration in another post...

Prevent Discoloration
Here's something you can do to combat discoloration:
https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-...prevent-correct-discoloration.html#post155515

There are a number of other methods to correct or prevent discoloration too (e.g. traction wrapping, etc).
 
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Advanced Girth Work + Hanging = Nonsense (& Potential Injuries)
It has been demonstrated that those who have done heavy girth work (horse440's, clamping, ulis, etc) tend to have trouble making length gains. The long term conditioning from the girth work makes the penis incredibly tough, and very difficult to deform with normal length work. This is why you'll usually get the advice "length first, girth second".

I'm actually a prime example of that if you rewind my log about 3-4 months ago. Clamp, clamp, clamp and then hang. Plateaued from hanging for the duration I was doing clamping AND didn't see any girth gains as well either. Now that I' off a complex routine like that I seem to be gaining again from just hanging.

Also frb after reading your post on page 3, staying at a weight will actually cause you to stop gaining in the long run, blink has made some great suggestions so far, but my $0.02 is that once your unit can actually handle the hanging again it is time to increase the weight.
 
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Thank you for some great input Millia.

I don't think it's just coincidental that your personal experiences matches the anecdotal data (that girth routines + hanging tend to backfire). Actually, I'm sorry to hear that effort didn't work out (it's always frustrating when we go through periods with no gains)!

I think we all need to do what you did... when the gains aren't coming, analyze our routine and figure out what we are doing wrong.

About staying at a weight: you can stay at the same weight and keep gaining... but... you have to keep adding sets! This way you still reach fatigue. Eventually, at some point you have to add weight.
 

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I added details about rest days and explained that Bib's method of 1-2 'light days' per week is high risk, and optional. I explained normal rest days are 'ok', and I added a better explanation for what to do on rest days with Bib's method (one light set, maybe two, that's it on those days).

I better explained how to asses when it is time to stop targeting your angle of attack, and switch to a secondary angle, or even stop hanging (to avoid injury).

I also better explained that LOT theory is an optional method to choose your "angle of attack", and that the theory is designed to target your suspensory ligaments which are much easier to deform than your tunica (divide & conquer; easy gains).

Finally, I added a note that hanging takes you "past the point of no return", since it is an advanced exercise, it will make manual length gain exercises ineffective for you.

I'm still looking for more feedback on this article, don't be afraid to post your thoughts or questions in this thread!
 

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LOT Theory Issues:
I just figured out I made a mistake with my explanation of LOT theory. I'll have to go back & rewrite the information on the angles of attack once I clarify the cascading logical effects this will cause with my writing... Mostly this will only effect the angle of attack section. I am internally debating what to do with LOT theory now (it turns out, it is only used to predict potential lig gains, the theory itself doesn't suggest an angle at all). I'm trying to decide whether LOT theory needs to be included with this guide (or not).

EDIT:
LOT Theory Corrected
I have gone back and corrected the errors that relate to LOT theory.

If anyone catches any errors, or has any suggestions for the guide please PM me.
 
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I've been meaning to get back into PE but i want to do it safer than i did when i first started (lots of fluid buildup as i didnt know about using tape).

I've been thinking of 24/7 stretching with very light tension and using my vacu unit as it doesnt stop flow. During the day i'm planning on hanging 1-2lb weight, for night/sitting position use a long rubberband connected to my ankle or knee.. perhaps even use the rubber band full time instead of the weight. Any one have any input? good/bad idea? why?
 

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"perhaps even use the rubber band full time instead of the weight"
In other words, ADS / Hanger / Extender... they all work. You'll have to figure out what you like the most based on all the pros / cons as well as your own goals, how much private time you have, etc. If you can't manage to hang at least 10 hrs per week eventually you will gain more slowly. But you'll still gain.
 
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