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I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's no such thing as rejection, just differences of opinion - and nobody ever got worked up and all up in their head about the prospect of somebody disagreeing with them.

on the lunch dates thing, I'd say maybe try not to see it as a date. Keep it casual at first, like you're just getting a bite to eat, and creating an opportunity to spend some time with her. It'll take the pressure off you, and her, and you can engineer some time alone with her more easily with less resistance. Point is, the more comfortable you become creating those opportunities to be doing something together, the easier you'll find it to be bolder about your intentions as time goes by.

Make lots of eye contact.

Then get back to her soon and say "hey I had a great time with you the other day, do you fancy going out some time? I found this great place you just *have* to check out" or some such thing... depends what you've been talking about. Relate it back to her so she knows you were listening.

Well, that's one approach anyway. It may work, it may not, but as SBE says, you'll never know unless you ask. The worst thing you can do is try to analyse her and work out what she's thinking for yourself. You can't. And use SBE's line if she makes an excuse. It'll clear the air for you and it'll show her you're in control of yourself. Then she might change her mind next time ;)

And the other thing - maybe you're already noticing since you've been approaching women more - is that there are a surprising number of women who will be into spending time with you.

Ultimately it's all about your confidence, or at least her sense of it. Even shyness is fine, it can be endearing IF you're able to laugh about it with her. If she thinks you're uncomfortable though she'll smell it a mile off and you'll need to work pretty hard to get another chance.

Good luck.


Great points Spanky. Thanks.
 

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I only read the first page and the last so I apologize if anything I say is redundant at this point. I was in a similar boat actually, as the OP. I hadn't really been rejected throughout school and high school and every time I tried I seemed to get the girl; even when I didn't try. But I was terrified of rejection all the same. I didn't lose my virginity until about your age and it was really all on me. I look back now and see how easy it could have been. Hell, at the time I lost my virginity I had 3 girls trying to take it from me. I choose one of them and made a relationship outta it but it wasn't long before she was trying to jump my bones. Again still afraid of being terrible in bed or cummin too fast or whatever I spent my time browsing the internet (finding PE sites, reading kamasutra, watching porn for positions and other tips) and it was really all for nothing. The first time this girl and I had sex, I acted like a mofuckin porn star and took charge and I wrecked her. This chick fuckin hit me after ward and called me a liar for telling her I was a virgin.

TL;DR = be open. 99% of guys out there aren't looking how to get better, most just care about getting their dick wet. You're that 1% by posting on this forum.

So take in what people are telling you but really just gotta learn not to put each possible candidate on a pedestal. And if you do (which I wouldn't recommend) they might be turned off but you can still try and show them you're not a quitter and eventually you might win them over but that's only if you can't handle not putting them up on a pedestal..


Ok thanks man.
 

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and that's why it's better to get her in a situation where there's no "pressure" You put her in a situation that's deceptively innocent and show your interest in her. Honestly, girls are not stupid. any alone time with them is time they know you want to be alone with them. They already pick up on your "interest" just by you asking them out.

To tell you the truth, those are the best girls to practice on. If they like you, you're able to actually SEE the responses you get from the stuff you do. You then compare those reactions to your "actions" to a girl who's not interested in you and you're capable of discerning the differences. Be careful because some girls are really flirty and it's hard to figure out what they're doing... you'll eventually be able to pick those out too.

Ok, thanks. Yea, I mean I guess I have nothing to lose and I do like her a bit, just not like in love or some bs like that haha. Now hopefully I grow a pair.



samsi4life: If you're asking me, I'm a virgin as virgin can get lol.
 

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I like you amiok. I think you'll be just fine. You know what, at the end of the day, none of us are born with da skillz.. it took me a number of years and a number of awful, embarrassing and painful screw ups to get myself sorted out with all this stuff, but I didn't have a resource like this place filled with people helping me out.

Maybe I'm bitter, but sometimes I think a lot of couples stay together because they stumbled on each other and just tolerate each other because neither of them know how to find the partner they *really* want.

I don't think you're ever going to have that problem
 

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I like you amiok. I think you'll be just fine. You know what, at the end of the day, none of us are born with da skillz.. it took me a number of years and a number of awful, embarrassing and painful screw ups to get myself sorted out with all this stuff, but I didn't have a resource like this place filled with people helping me out.

Maybe I'm bitter, but sometimes I think a lot of couples stay together because they stumbled on each other and just tolerate each other because neither of them know how to find the partner they *really* want.

I don't think you're ever going to have that problem

Yea dude, I totally agree that some people stay together because they don't think they can do better. I hope I don't ever get in that situation haha. Thanks.
 

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Now I'm not sure anymore. I know where this is going.


If you wait too long their interest will fade.

Waiting/indecisiveness puts you in the friendzone faster than any lunch date will.
 

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One thing you need to know (sorry if this was already outlined) is that women most of the time REFUSE to make the advances. Unless theyre drunk lol. What this means is that the most they'll do is drop subtle hints and we men are a stupid bunch that misses a lot of it until we have lots of experience.

Examples of a woman showing her interest in the womanly way: Lots of eye contact, plays with her hair while talking to you, takes opportunities to touch you-leg, arm, whatever, usually while laughing, etc.... see? It's all subtle nonsense. We don't really know what's going on until they grab our cocks half the time it seems.

Anyway-put yourself in situations that encourage flirting. Environments are key-places you can alone. A park is good-you might push her on the swing, you might get a chance to start wrestling with her and so on. You can be subtle too. You can grab her hand and comment on how pretty they are... and then not let go by accident. You can play these games too-to test the waters and see her reactions. This is why women do it-to avoid rejection outright.

Guys without experience tend to want to discuss with the girl-after analyzing for hours. This is not the way to go. Makes you have the wrong energy. The right energy is: Playful. So go play with her, it's harmless, what could happen? It's better to know than to wonder.
 

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If you wait too long their interest will fade.

Waiting/indecisiveness puts you in the friendzone faster than any lunch date will.

Probably did already. No big deal.
 

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Do you have any friends that are young women?
 

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How old are you sweetie if you don't mind us asking?
 

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Women friends usually have other women friends who-could set you up-have you tried this. And yes, I am of age.
 

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Women friends usually have other women friends who-could set you up-have you tried this. And yes, I am of age.

I have no women friends so it doesn't really work, for me at this moment at least. I mean this girl I think might like me now would be a cool friend, but she lives kinda far from me so the only reason I would go to where she lives is if I thought I had a chance.
 
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That's bullshit and you know it. Stop making excuses. You're a fucking champ, act like it.

Lol that was/is really good advice. I wish I could revert my thinking to be like that.
 

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Something weird that I noticed today. People love telling me how great a dad/husband I'll be. Messed up thing is that some of them know that I probably won't ever date or anything, yet they think that is an astute observation. Weird.
 

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Some people tell me that, too. They can sense that I should not pester and annoy young women with my gnat-like penis. Instead, I must remain celibate, involuntarily, until I can make a living and find one that's ready to "settle down" (give up on big dicks and fun. Trying to find someone to leech off for the rest of their lives.) Sucks to be us.
 

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Some people tell me that, too. They can sense that I should not pester and annoy young women with my gnat-like penis. Instead, I must remain celibate, involuntarily, until I can make a living and find one that's ready to "settle down" (give up on big dicks and fun. Trying to find someone to leech off for the rest of their lives.) Sucks to be us.

Exactly. I mean, at this point they have to know my dick is pathetic.