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These are simple rules i live by and it works for me. Well now i cycle my exercises from squats to deadlifts and chest to shoulders i cycle them to keep the body guessing but for beginners stick to these rules.

-Never train chest and shoulders without at least 4 days rest in between (not including the training day) (sometimes more)
- Never train deadlifts and squats without at least 5 days rest in between (you may need more sometimes i have been out a week)
- More basically wait until your area of pain has totally left, THEN WAIT ONE MORE DAY! (Pain gone shows inflammation decrease but still maybe some micro tears in myofilaments!) Chest and shoulders still stress the shoulder. Squats and deadlifts still stress the lower back. Over train you will cause injury and actually weaken your muscles. Also don't train triceps before chest it will only weaken your workout potential.

Now how to train perfectly so you don't over train (This is another thing perfect about HIIT, it doesnt break down muscle fibers like LIIS, quite the opposite.

Start off the week (Monday) with a testosterone booster making the gains and benefits of your later exercises magnified. (protein shake 1 hour before the gym, 1 after) Also its great to have immensely strong legs and back! Squats or deadlifts.

Tuesday - let your body properly adjust and be warned your legs will be in agony. Do a interval training session. At the start of the week do bag work. Punch bag. Start off with 1 minute rounds with 1 minute rests for 3 rounds. (5-10 minutes of actual exercise done during intervals not including rest is peak) (Also 30 second exercise 1 minute rest is peak but its intensity is dangerous for a beginner so go 1-1 an take it little steadier and only do 3 rounds) Doing bag at the start of the week uses your shoulders, don't do this again until chest/shoulders day (fridays)

Wednesday hit upper back and indirectly biceps by the exercises your doing.
One week do pullups/latpulldowns. If you cant do pullups just jump up and slowly lower yourself down this eccentric contraction is actually more impacting on growth than concentric contraction. You will get there. If not add a narrow grip bar on your lat pull down machine if you can. This will do your lats massively. The other week do 1 arm rows and do seated row and other upper back exercises. Try stick around 8 sets no more than 12 on your muscle group. And also dont spend more than an ahour in the gym keep it intense and hard and in 40-60 minutes, LEAVE! Why? Your body starts to release cortisol which is catabolic, meaning it breaks muscle down. Cortisol is also released by stress.

Thursday do some steady state cardio (sometimes its good to have rest days, not stop but tick over and also it helps repair muscles by having constant blood flow and not causing anymore damage) I dont do it i have Jui jitsu on thursday and after squats on a monday i go to karate. Do 20 minutes cross trainer, wrist curls and calf raises (Your only as strong as your weakest link) and then do 20 on the bike an go home. Break a sweat but take it easy your not trying to burn out.

Friday - Chest or shoulders day. (For best results especially in advanced level cycle from dumb bell sessions for 2-4 weeks too barbell)

Saturday, now your legs are healing nicely hit a 2 mile steady jog then for another 2 mile do lamp post running. (Sprint one lamp post, walk the next)

Sunday if you want rest but i would do a rowing interval and a core session. Not everyone trains core but when you get the fat gone and you finally get a rippling six pack do you want little tiny girl abbs? Not loads of situps where your back touches the floor and comes up 90 degrees taking tension off the movement work on muscle contraction and muscle tension rather than reps.

This is as far as i'm going. A good detailed outlay on diet and exercise, when and how to eat when and how to train! Oh make sure you get 1g of protein per pound of body weight! If you have any questions on perfecting exercises, or anything else you would like me to go into detail with i'm here to help and ill most likely be able to provide you with a in depth, accurate and factual answer. With nutrition and exercise that is.
 

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I train shoulders on wednesay, arms on friday, chest saturday, back monday, and legs tuesday.
Is this a good routine?
 

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When you say back do you incorporate your lower back? I.E Deadlifts... And during legs do you do squats ? If so your over training your lower back! NEED A WEEK INBETWEEN. Then again i do very intense... warm up on 100kg squats work up too about 180 area x 5 then warm down. I need my rest... same with deads but work up to about 230 x 3. Big rest big food. Arms on friday, does that include tri's? Then doin chest next day which uses triceps.... weakening your bench and over training triceps... Cut out bicep curls... one arm rows and pullups put so much more pressure on ur bicep and it becomes stronger an bigger much quicker. Two days in between shoulders and chest isnt enough... all depends if your looking for optimul power... if so big intensity, low time, big recovery.
 

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When you say back do you incorporate your lower back? I.E Deadlifts... And during legs do you do squats ? If so your over training your lower back! NEED A WEEK INBETWEEN. Then again i do very intense... warm up on 100kg squats work up too about 180 area x 5 then warm down. I need my rest... same with deads but work up to about 230 x 3. Big rest big food. Arms on friday, does that include tri's? Then doin chest next day which uses triceps.... weakening your bench and over training triceps... Cut out bicep curls... one arm rows and pullups put so much more pressure on ur bicep and it becomes stronger an bigger much quicker. Two days in between shoulders and chest isnt enough... all depends if your looking for optimul power... if so big intensity, low time, big recovery.

Ya I do deadlifts on my back day on monday then squats on tuesday. I also warm up each day with squats, except for leg day. Or if I'm sore as fuck and it will take away from my lift power.

Ya, I work triceps on arm days.

I got my routine online, some black body builder named Joel something, he's pretty famous for body building.

I'm working out to have a good body, but also for strength. I was thinking I could keep up this routine for another 3 months to gain about 10-15lbs lean mass, then switch it up and focus more on a functional strength routine? What do you suggest.
 
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Wow JDavid that is a lot of information, maybe a little too much because at least half of that went right over my head. The routines, some of the muscle names, the exercises, and a lot of it I don't get.
 
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Ya I do deadlifts on my back day on monday then squats on tuesday. I also warm up each day with squats, except for leg day. Or if I'm sore as fuck and it will take away from my lift power.

Ya, I work triceps on arm days.

I got my routine online, some black body builder named Joel something, he's pretty famous for body building.

I'm working out to have a good body, but also for strength. I was thinking I could keep up this routine for another 3 months to gain about 10-15lbs lean mass, then switch it up and focus more on a functional strength routine? What do you suggest.

What's not functional about squats and deadlifts?
 

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Today was really tough. I got tired only half way through cycling, but I just pushed through it and finished a few minutes faster than I did Saturday. Added a set to all barbell exercises. Today was definitely a tough one.

I was pretty sore from two days ago and it is sort of frustrating that I am not recovering as fast as I should.


  • Cycling:
    • 0:59:00 || 13.6 mi (+381 pts)
  • Barbell Bench Press:
    • 71.2 lb x 20 reps (+56 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 15 reps (+53 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 10 reps (+50 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 5 reps (+43 pts)
    • Time to add a set.
  • Crunch:
    • 75 reps (+37 pts)
  • Barbell Squat:
    • 71.2 lb x 20 reps (+56 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 15 reps (+53 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 10 reps (+50 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 5 reps (+43 pts)
    • Set added.
  • Barbell Curl:
    • 71.2 lb x 15 reps (+20 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 10 reps (+19 pts)
    • 71.2 lb x 5 reps (+16 pts)
    • Set added.
  • Bicycle (abs):
    • 25 reps (+10 pts)
  • Dumbbell Bench Press:
    • 20 lb x 17 reps (+44 pts)
    • 20 lb x 12 reps (+42 pts)
    • 20 lb x 7 reps (+38 pts)
  • Dumbbell Bicep Curl:
    • 20 lb x 17 reps (+29 pts)
    • 20 lb x 12 reps (+27 pts)
    • 20 lb x 7 reps (+25 pts)
  • Dumbbell Lunges:
    • 20 lb x 12 reps (+66 pts)
    • 20 lb x 7 reps (+60 pts)
 

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Man dont be frustrated. You are doing a full body workout every time with this routine and only resting for like one day in between. You will stay sore that way.
 

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I guess you are right. I should probably do every other day as it seemed to work for me before, but I am trying to make sure I can bike as far as possible without needing to stop. The last bike trip took me 12 hours, albeit the route was awful and that is counting breaks plus one of the breaks on my bike breaking, but it worst it should only take me 8 - 10 hours.
 

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I gotta say Dontrike, I'm impressed at your dedication and tenacity to push on. It's a respectable feature
 

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I gotta say Dontrike, I'm impressed at your dedication and tenacity to push on. It's a respectable feature

Well thanks Toadstool. I really think it is because, much like last time, I think I will learn a little something by going to where I am going for this little bike trip.
 

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I guess you are right. I should probably do every other day as it seemed to work for me before, but I am trying to make sure I can bike as far as possible without needing to stop. The last bike trip took me 12 hours, albeit the route was awful and that is counting breaks plus one of the breaks on my bike breaking, but it worst it should only take me 8 - 10 hours.

Take a good 4 or 5 days off before you go on your trip. Eat right in those days and hydrate yourself.
 

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Take a good 4 or 5 days off before you go on your trip. Eat right in those days and hydrate yourself.

Well that won't be until the 22nd of next month. I was going to take at least a day or two off, then the day of maybe bike 3 miles as a bit of a warm up.
 

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I forgot to mention a little 30 km trip I made a few weeks ago. Basically, it's macadam (not really, we just use this term for every driveable but shitty road) road from one town to another (well, close by). It's around 15 km in one direction. First I got lost. Several times. It's not that you can get lost, you see sea and landmarks, but terrain between roads (which are like a labyrinth) is harsh, olive groves with high stone walls, spiky bushes etc... Not to mention that I started my trip at 13h. I can handle the sun (I can almost never get sun fever), but the heat was taking his tool. Basically, 2 hour trip turned into some 4+ hours because last 40 minutes I was without any water, my throat was dry and tongue barely moisty. I also lost my bracelet (awesome chainmail bracelet that I made from scrap) and a T-shirt. Anyway when I hit the road, I found a water fountain and drank at least half a galon of water, then strolled to the town. I was in that other town for about 20 minutes, snapped a few pictures and headed back. Just for the sake of it I was running until I encountered a few guys from Belgium who found my T-shirt and I gave them a few directions. I returned back in some 2 hours, most of that was light running.

I felt pain in my right foot, but I ignored that thing. Next day my foot is swollen and it hurts in certain positions. Doctor said to rest and soak it in the sea or cold compresses and of course, Brufen, but I refused to buy it (I use medications for serious stuff only). Now it's ok and I'm thinking of doing another insane trip like that. :D
 

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Grats on that little trip of yours Nihilanth. Doing trips like that are a lot of fun. I know even though my legs kept trying to cramp while walking and I was severely tired through out the whole thing the places I got to see again was totally worth the trip.
 

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Firstly a low carb diet is a rubbish idea.

Low carb totally kills my sex drive. Like - I don't want sex at all, and can't even get an erection while masturbating. Most pro-lowcarb people will tell me just to eat more fat to get the energy needed. But even with 2-300 grams of fat a day and tons of protein it's the same. It's always the same story, I start eating those carbs again and I'm horny like a teenager after a week or two. It's a shame as I otherwise do well on it. It seems like some people loose their sex drive and some don't.
 

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Try carb cycling. I actually forgot how it's done, but basically, you eat them when you deserve them (when your body is best at metabolising them). You get the benefit of not eating them (you give it when it needs them and in exact ammounts so it metabolise them with no side effects (insuline spikes)) and your body is not trying to get energy from fat which is kind of tiresome for body.

Carbs are pure energy, getting energy from fat or proteins (breaking down their pretty large molecules) is creating "leftovers", smaller molecules that body needs to purify them. Also, human body isn't designed for getting energy from directly from fat. Dogs can do it, they metabolise fat twice the speed of humans. When they spend all of their glycogen, they can still run because they pull energy from fat. Humans can't do much after spending it.
 

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Humans can't do much after spending it.

That's not true. I was on a 0 carb diet for months so my glycogen was basically non-existent and I still managed to lift really heavy in the gym 6 times a week and do 45 minutes of cardio every morning. The body is good at using fat for energy, that's why it's the tissue is choose to store - in order to use for energy later. If we didn't have this ability humans wouldn't be alive today.
 

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Biked 10.2 miles in 45 minutes. I don't get it, but 10 miles should not be that hard. Sure, I was still pretty damn sore from two days ago, but 10 miles shouldn't be that hard, especially when I was doing average time.

Will do some lifts later after I take care of some things.