Chemical

[phallic1]

I doubt I will retain the size I gained from using d-bol. "Easy come, easy go" as the saying goes.

I have always believed and still do that gains acquired through natural training (no exogenous testosterone) are more solid and will last much longer.

 

[JonPop]

I doubt I will retain the size I gained from using d-bol. "Easy come, easy go" as the saying goes.

I have always believed and still do that gains acquired through natural training (no exogenous testosterone) are more solid and will last much longer.

Yup. That seems to be the thinking round these here parts.
Seems like many have tried and the results were much less than expected, for both the expense/side effects and the hassle of the routine.

 

[Pretty1]

d-boll will have you pumped all day, when i was on it i would walk around with a flaccid hard on do you know the power that i felt, when you p.e you walk with a pump but this was strictly a flaccid hard on throughout the day ercections every ten minutes muscles grew quick and nice too..... wanted to move up wieght classes in boxing is the reason i took it when you get off you feel like crap though you need to take you post stuff to level out your test levels...... as far as injecting your dick with stuff....hell if it works sounds great even if it only gives you a quater inch still not bad however i would deff leave it to a doctor to do the injections

 

[shane_syndrome]

d-boll will have you pumped all day, when i was on it i would walk around with a flaccid hard on do you know the power that i felt, when you p.e you walk with a pump but this was strictly a flaccid hard on throughout the day ercections every ten minutes muscles grew quick and nice too..... wanted to move up wieght classes in boxing is the reason i took it when you get off you feel like crap though you need to take you post stuff to level out your test levels...... as far as injecting your dick with stuff....hell if it works sounds great even if it only gives you a quater inch still not bad however i would deff leave it to a doctor to do the injections

are you sure it was actually dbol because dbol lowers sex drive in most people , not saying everyone but most it does ... you could of been on m1t (its much cheaper for labs to make and most people cant tell the difference )

 

[shane_syndrome]

i almost forgot about this thread and i've been doing my own independent research anyway heres what I think will give the most results in the shortest amount of time.

>10am-11pm --hang 5lbs?(every day)
> 11pm inject caverject (every other day)
> 1am jelq at 60% erection for 30min and then edge for 30min (every other day)
> then wash my dick and inject Igf-lr3 (every other day)
> HGH 4iu sub q injections (5 days a way)

I hear people inject IGF with caverject but following bodybuilding I know its best post workout

The IGF should be used 6 weeks on 6 weeks off , the HGH needs to be used 6months at least and the caverject can be run as long as you want more length

Results to expect :

month one - drastic change in flasid length
month 2 - noticeable change in erect length and slight change in girth
month 3-6 - length growth consistently at the same rate but girth should be cumming faster and faster then slowing down and staying the same at a certain point
gains after a year - It is not uncommon that people will see about 2inches in both length and girth and up to 4inches in flasid length but the end but results will very just like anything
(alot of us are 6x5 so you would finish the year at 8x7 and I don't think anyone would complain about having that)

(I have talked to others doing this routine so that helped with my research , one other note is that by the end most peoples flasid and erect girth where about the same)

 

[shane_syndrome]

Oh one other thing I forgot to mention , I only know a few that have tried this but taking testosterone at 500mg a week for 12 weeks at about week 18 would improve the results even more .

and jelquing with andractim during this routine would help even more

If i personally try this routine My goal for 1 year would be something like to finish off with 9x7 by the end of the year , I dont know if 7 around will be to big but ill be happy with it

 

[Pumper]

Oh one other thing I forgot to mention , I only know a few that have tried this but taking testosterone at 500mg a week for 12 weeks at about week 18 would improve the results even more .

and jelquing with andractim during this routine would help even more

If i personally try this routine My goal for 1 year would be something like to finish off with 9x7 by the end of the year , I dont know if 7 around will be to big but ill be happy with it

Hi.

I am preparing to buy IGF-1 LR3 and PGE-1 for a 6-month-so chemcial PE experiment, much as Iguana did. I've been studying Iguanas reports, which overall are not promising. He may be correct in assuming that his IGF-1 is bad, because, otherwise, his technique appears to be carefully composed and well documented. The original patent describing the technique is very compelling.

I'm an expert pumper, going on 17 years now.

I've also been experimenting with traction for the last four years, but am not satisfied with the comfort levels and force levels I'm able to achieve. I bought the Max-Vac about three years ago, but was not happy with the mount-time, the reproducibility of the grip, the folding that happens in the latex sleeves and consequent pinching problems. Mount-time is really important. I insist on pulling along the erection angle or straight-up along the abdomen while gripping only the glans, coronal skin, and perhaps a little more (another 1/4 to 1/2 inch) of skin below that. Anymore that this and I'm stretching skin not bodies (corpora cavernosa). (I have no interest in stretching my suspensatory ligs anymore, and dissuade everyone here from seeking length gains this way.) If anyone can give me a detailed report on the new Vacu-EXS, how it works, and how it does not work, please do. I really need a good way to do traction (four to five lbs) while I'm sleeping. I have a great pulley-and-weight setup on the wall behind bed, but I cannot use it until I get a comfortable grip. But I digress...

So, I'm excited about he initial report that Iguana posted and about your protocol. Can you give us more details on the amounts of PGE-1 and IGF-1 LR3? I'm assuming you draw some of each of the PGE-1 and IGF-1 LR3 into a single syring, and then inject it at three or so spots, evenly spaced, from the base to the corona, on the ventral side (on both sides of the spongiosum) of the shaft? Is this correct?

Would any of your friends, with real clinical data on their own chemical PE routines and results like to post their detailed protocol (amounts, ratios, injection sites, fequency, etc)? One or more step-by-step accounts with all of these details would be helpful and encouraging to everyone.

 

[calixto]

Pumper, you really should go to Penis Enlargement Vacuum Pumps by VacuTech and check out their pumping cylinders. I got one back in April 09 and it is incredible! Also, because of its shape you don't even need a latex sleeve, it DOESN'T NEED ONE, its just THAT comfortable. Check it out. They are not cheap, and you will spend about $200, but its well worth it and the best pumping experience I have had after trying at least 4 other pumps. Just make sure you measure and get the one that FITS YOU BEST, because if you get one that is too big, you might risk the usual problems with it sucking your balls up in the cylinder, plus you want it to especially fit tight if you are going for LENGTH, but I am sure you know this, being a veteran pumper. Let me know!

 

[Pumper]

Pumper, you really should go to Penis Enlargement Vacuum Pumps by VacuTech and check out their pumping cylinders. I got one back in April 09 and it is incredible! Also, because of its shape you don't even need a latex sleeve, it DOESN'T NEED ONE, its just THAT comfortable. Check it out. They are not cheap, and you will spend about $200, but its well worth it and the best pumping experience I have had after trying at least 4 other pumps. Just make sure you measure and get the one that FITS YOU BEST, because if you get one that is too big, you might risk the usual problems with it sucking your balls up in the cylinder, plus you want it to especially fit tight if you are going for LENGTH, but I am sure you know this, being a veteran pumper. Let me know!

Thanks for the link. Very nice gear. I haven't looked at VacuTech's stuff in a long time. I have their electric vacuum pump from circa 1993. Some of my first cyclinders were from them, too. I recently bough a couple of cylinders from NW PumpWorks, but was a little disappointed--stress cracks formed within a week or two at the base of one of them. I was unable to reach the owner, and gave up. On any new cylinders I buy I want rounded corners everywhere--high-radius curves. I don't want the bulge-and-constriction you find at the base of many cylinders (a manufacturing concession). The VacuTech stuff looks great. I will take a closer look after posting this.

My specs are:

BPEL 9.0"
EGB 7.0"
EGM 6.0"
EGC 5.75"

EGC = Erect Girth Coronal (behind the glans)

I have a slight downward curve. This is caused by the same phenomenon that affects most of us: sleeping in your underwear as a teenager. Sleep in your skin and keep you dick straight. A longer penis will catch deep in the belly of the underwear, stress the top of the shaft and create hyperplasia (more cells, length) there, causing the shaft to bend down. A shorter penis will catch higher-up in the underwear and bend backward, producing hyperplasia on the bottom/ventral side. I prefer a straight, thicker shaft, and hope to accomplish this with the chemical PE. I only want on more inch of length, but this is a secondary objective. Mainly I seek more girth (7 to 7.5 uniformly, with slight tapering toward the glans) and straightening the shaft (more growth on the ventral side, mid-shaft, a good place to inject, I suppose). I need careful feedback from people who are doing the chemical PE successfully. Especially, I want to know how badly it can go in practice.

While we are on the subject of pumping, I have been trying to find someone build me a custom two-stage, cock-and-balls unit, but I don't see anyone doing this anymore. No, not LA Pump. I have their two-stage, which is OK to useless depending on what you choose to do with it. I modified mine with 3/4"-deep notches carved into the inner side of the opening, for cushioning the leg tendons. This work involves a Dremmel tool and is tedius, but is well worth it. I don't see how any human can tolerate such a two stage for more than 10 minutes without leg-tendon notches. Anyway, I want a better two-stage, with a completely separate chamber--no sharing with the shaft chamber. The shaft-tube and balls-chamber need to split immediately off the pubic bone. The shaft cyclinder must goes up at the erection angle (45 to 60 degrees off the abdomen in good). The balls-chamber needs to be medium-sized, about the size of two of your own fists pressed together. The corners adjoining the two chambers need those lovely, high-radius, smooth curves. Each chamber should have its own vacuum connector. Am I the only one still doing serious two-chamber pumping? If you have knowledge of specific two-chamber gear, preferably with an option for building a custom unit, please let me know.

 

[shane_syndrome]

the dosses I would use is 3mcg of caverject and 10 ius of igf ... let me know befor you start

 

[Kirin]

Hey Shane, it's been about 2 months. Any updates? Seeing any progress?

 

[shane_syndrome]

sorry I havnt even been doing it lol , the needles i have are way to big so I just need to pick up smaller ones .... I still havnt been doing Any PE at all

 

[shane_syndrome]

Ive also been trying to sign up at thunders becasue there seems to be more about it over there.

 

[raffinato]

right.

i tried to read through the whole post but some things were so far away from the actual truth that i stopped and just reply.

1. injecting testosterone (whichever ester) intramusculary is NOT going to give you a bigger penis - FACT. (unless you are in puberty, that may be possible)
2. injecting testosterone (whichever ester) in your penis may work to some degree (SpringerLink - Journal Article ) however - testosterone is usually esterified, and stored in an oil emulsion. you dont want to shoot hat up your cc. also, that fluid is too thick to use insuline needles - im talking about the size of injecting needles here. you would need pure form testosterone or DHT - that cream could be an option maybe, but is way underdosed i think (most probably). anyways not sure where you can score pure testosterone...
3. you basically need a device/technique to deliver stretches/expansions to the penis and add IGF to make the changes last.

shane, IGF is most likely needed. pure testosterone may be a good mix also. but havent you considered using a vacuum pump of some sort to use in combo with the shots?
also, if done allready, what is the most fluid that can be injected in the CC, according to you?

PS im not one like you guys that is gonig for just another inch - i really have an issue in the measurements department, so i am going to do something...(as soon as i get the cash together to buy some supplies)

gr

r

 

[Jackxxx]

Ive also been trying to sign up at thunders becasue there seems to be more about it over there.

I was a member at Thunders, and there's nothing you can't find on other forums like this one. In fact, this is better. At thunders, they keep some sort of marxist policy towards members.

 

[shane_syndrome]

right.

i tried to read through the whole post but some things were so far away from the actual truth that i stopped and just reply.

1. injecting testosterone (whichever ester) intramusculary is NOT going to give you a bigger penis - FACT. (unless you are in puberty, that may be possible)
2. injecting testosterone (whichever ester) in your penis may work to some degree (SpringerLink - Journal Article ) however - testosterone is usually esterified, and stored in an oil emulsion. you dont want to shoot hat up your cc. also, that fluid is too thick to use insuline needles - im talking about the size of injecting needles here. you would need pure form testosterone or DHT - that cream could be an option maybe, but is way underdosed i think (most probably). anyways not sure where you can score pure testosterone...
3. you basically need a device/technique to deliver stretches/expansions to the penis and add IGF to make the changes last.

shane, IGF is most likely needed. pure testosterone may be a good mix also. but havent you considered using a vacuum pump of some sort to use in combo with the shots?
also, if done allready, what is the most fluid that can be injected in the CC, according to you?

PS im not one like you guys that is gonig for just another inch - i really have an issue in the measurements department, so i am going to do something...(as soon as i get the cash together to buy some supplies)

gr

r

i think i can get test base in BAC water and i actually considerd that , all I am pinning right now is IGF into my penis but I am also taking test , dbol and deca ... I dont remember if i said IM test injections wouldnt work but Im pretty sure they would because i read somwhere they give HRT to people with micro penis.

sorry im not sure how much can be injected into the penis but i think if you really tried it could be 1cc

so maybe i can do 100mg of test base every 3 days into my penis and the other 2 days into my ass , but that wont be untill my next cycle ... this week (just starting ) i thought i knew alot but im recently getting flooded with ne research but im getting excited about this , I also am going for a drastic change in penis size.

good luck bro , let me know when you do start .

 

[Kirin]

all I am pinning right now is IGF into my penis

Hey man, I'm confused. Are you or are you not injecting now? I am considering starting an IGF-only routine, since it is difficult for me to get a hold of PGE or caverject.

 

[shane_syndrome]

Yea All i am injecting into my penis is IGF , but im considering test base

(testosterone suspension)

 

[raffinato]

@ shane

thx 4 the update.

1. about testosterone Intramuscular injections: if they would increase penis size, id have a 2 meter dick now, and no BB would ever be held in shorts....get my drift? HRT is something completely different and i also given to ppl without micropenis
2. be VERY CAREFUL with pinning testosterone to your johnson- pls. as i said, most testosterones are oil based, and i don think that is wishful in your CC
3. deca & dbol are good for training, but dont have an added value in this enlargment experiment if you are allready pinning testosterone IM (and don use dbol too long bro)
4. you are pinning IGF AFTER you have exercised your penis, correct? 25mcg , correct? how many days on/off ?

shane, do keep in mind that new cells from IGF usually only mature after 6 months. don expect gains to become visible before injection day + 20/25 weeks.
in skeletal muscle, we can mature those new cells fast by adding AAS to the cocktail. not sure if this also applies to smooth muscle cells. (if someone would be able to find a study on maturing smooth muscle cells?)
but it is quite possible - and shane, go get such a DHT creme that you can paste on your dick - im not certain it helps, but it cant do much harm either i guess ( i know women develop local hair growth if they apply such creme fro a long time, so it does work - i got that from a medical report )

@kirin:
caverject not available here either, but its just used to increase size temporarily. may as well use any other device/action which will give a significant change in length/girth

@all

im planning on doing a 30 week cycle, which should look more or less like this:

weeks 1 - 3O -> 2 IU GH/day - (4 days on - 3 days off) 580€
week 4 - 30 -> 500 mg test /week 100€
week 10 - 20 - 500 mg trenbolone enanthate/week in stock
week 20 - 30 - 800 mg primobolan/week 240€
week 4 - 30 - 25 mcg IGF locally to penis 230€
week 1 => week 52 - 15 minutes a day vacuum pump (thinking to use bathmate - good results, low risk) 100€

total damage: 1300€ more or less

this is the plan, more or less. my current problem is $$$$. its not hugely expensive, and i actually have the cash. but im unemployed at the moment, so im not spending anything which is not 100% neceassry (u get the idea)
and i may have some issue with my car as well ... :-/

anyway, as soon as work comes in, this goes ahead.

@ shane, you use insuline needles to inject i suppose? does it hurt?

gr

r

 

[Jackxxx]

I love this Thread.
In regards to IM testosterone injections, of course they do work. The difference is that muscle does not grow without exercise. But if you workout your penis, in the long term, it will grow.

There is no doubt hormones WILL make smooth muscle tissue grow. In fact, many bodybuilders, develop enlarged heart and intestines from the drugs and the stretching of the tissue. What we don't know, and this is the interesting part of Chemical PE, is the doses, and time frames.

When we grow up, there is a synergy that makes our cawks grow. Is the mixture of increased testosterone levels, DHT, HGH, but also increased Red blood cells, because our bodies are expanding; all that mixed during puberty and adolescence, translate in developed cawk. But this does not happen over night. It takes years in its natural state. So if we can replicate this environment with hormones, and even better, localizing them in the penile area, plus intense Penile workout, it could lead to great results.