Body fat expectations /goals

[Dreadsteed]

I'm not a bodybuilder, but had two friends who were, one was an IFBB pro (Phil Hernon), and another a top amateur who should have been a pro (Brad Hollibaugh). Both said the hydro tank was all they trusted other than the mirror. Both dead now at very early ages! I suspect too much toxic Anadrol during their careers.

I don’t do BB competitively, just for the health benefits and mental release from lifting. So no pressures to use roids or the millions of unregulated fat loss, thermogenics, or diuretic supplements. Some of those supps are terrible for your body and organs as well.

 

[Pegasus]

It goes well beyond that and is just basically inaccurate . It relies on an algorithim that you may or may not fit.
This idea that it is accurate is sold by those who make money from it . The dexa people certainly do not say it is accurate.

 

[akaTrex]

Ahh Steroids. Many have gone to the afterlife way too soon.
Much like Ronnie Colman the damage he and others have done is crippling in their later years.
I too have a Friend that won the Mr. USA and is a total wreck from the abuse of PEDS and Lifting Injuries.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...l/news-story/fe190aafc4190314b5e2e81dab82afbb

 

[Pegasus]

So peds are dangerous and cause death and serious injury . They also give a false impression of what is achievable when people lie about their use of them which is standard .

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

I don’t do BB competitively, just for the health benefits and mental release from lifting. So no pressures to use roids or the millions of unregulated fat loss, thermogenics, or diuretic supplements. Some of those supps are terrible for your body and organs as well.

Good for you! I have no problems with "my body - my choice" when it comes to doing questionably dangerous things, If you want to base jump or drive a race car at over 200 mph you know the risks. Based on my intimate knowledge of the bodybuilder world.... it's a cult.
I know several prominent bodybuilders who've died at early age, even a couple who actually died on stage while competing / posing.

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

So peds are dangerous and cause death and serious injury . They also give a false impression of what is achievable when people lie about their use of them which is standard .

I know this digresses from the main topic but has a parallel to PED's. I agree guys / gals who use PED's to gain an advantage over competition lack character.... it's cheating! In the same way biological males masquerading as females that are competing against girls / women are cheating! I just can't believe so many people are afraid to speak up about it! Ooooh I might get banned from Fakebook or lose my job. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to say nothing.

 

[Pegasus]

I know this digresses from the main topic but has a parallel to PED's. I agree guys / gals who use PED's to gain an advantage over competition lack character.... it's cheating! In the same way biological males masquerading as females that are competing against girls / women are cheating! I just can't believe so many people are afraid to speak up about it! Ooooh I might get banned from Fakebook or lose my job. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to say nothing.

Sigh I actually came to the conclusion some sports like Bodybuilding for instance have such widespread drug use that if everyone is useing drugs who are they cheating . Sad isn't it Of course one could go with society in general and all the gym users who don't do drugs but you get my point .

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

Ahh Steroids. Many have gone to the afterlife way too soon.
Much like Ronnie Colman the damage he and others have done is crippling in their later years.
I too have a Friend that won the Mr. USA and is a total wreck from the abuse of PEDS and Lifting Injuries.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/n...l/news-story/fe190aafc4190314b5e2e81dab82afbb

When I've had candid conversations with bodybuilders who admittedly use a lot of drugs, the main question I ask is "are you aware of the negative side effects and highly probable early death?". Without exception they always laugh and say "at least they'll have to dig a big hole".

 

[growie]

I need to lose at least 10lbs soon... It is not easy for me. But I think I need to work out more, and everything will be fine

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

I need to lose at least 10lbs soon... It is not easy for me. But I think I need to work out more, and everything will be fine

80% of weight loss is diet, the other 20% is exercise. Try intermittent fasting.... don't eat anything before 11:00 am, and if you really want to enhance the weight loss, don't eat after 7:00 pm. Another thing that helps tremendously is drinking a small bottle of water about an hour before you eat, it really helps feeling fuller and wanting to eat less. Ten pounds will be gone in about two weeks. The try walking at least 20-30 minutes a day, five days a week.
I'm 65 and @ 6'1" I still weigh what I weighed back in 1985 - 187 lbs - 192 lbs. It's all about being disciplined. I still enjoy a bacon cheeseburger once and a while, and a couple slices of pizza with a beer now and then, but it's not part of my daily diet.

 

[akaTrex]

You need to burn more calories than you eat = Calorie Deficit!

Exercise and Burn more calories than you eat.
Cardio is a great way to lose a few pounds.
Eat Clean. High Protein, Low Carb Diet.
Complex Carbs are Good!

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[akaTrex]

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[Pegasus]

There is a theory that everyone has a personal fat threshold beyond which they tend to gain more visceral fat . Any comments

 

[Johnny D]

I've looked into the hypothesis a bit and where I'm dubious is around the assertion that it's a pre-programmed function of one's genetics. The studies I recall that support the theory didn't control for exercise and type of exercise or for the individual's diet, especially their macronutrient consumption. Sure, each of us might store fat differently and a "skinny" person might store more visceral fat, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's not a result of their own behavior. We need to look at forms of exercise, percentage of muscle mass, consumption of carbohydrates, etc, to determine the true underlying cause.

 

[Pegasus]

I have come to the concusion that it is probaby a fator in visceral vs total bf . Other factors inlcude cortisol(stress) insulin (diet) and testostorone (multi factors).
So low cortiso; and insulin and high test will tend to keep visceral fat down but have no trouble believing there arre also genetic factors

 

[Pegasus]

Thoghts on fat pads relation to visceral fat

 

[Johnny D]

My belief is that of all the contributing factors, genetics is probably at the end of the list with macronutrients and exercise type at the top.

I'd like to hear thoughts on fat pad, as well. It's subcutaneous fat, like the rest of the superficial body fat, so not sure about the relationship to visceral fat. They're quite different things.

 

[Pegasus]

People in general and especially americans like to downplay genetics I call it the Lance Armstrong effect . Back in the real world it has a major effect .

Actually visceral fat and central deposited sucutaneous fat are related . There is a relationship between visceral fat and total fat and a closer one between visceral and central fat . Since many members measure fat pad I am interested to know the relationship . So if members have had dexa the relation between visceral /total/ core fat anf fat pad would be of interest .

For those interested in reducing visceral fat the only lever I hear others commonly mention is loss of total bodyfat . As I siad ealier hormones are related and a lever worth coth considering .

 

[Johnny D]

It's been my experience that the type of exercise and nutrition are the greater contributors and that people want to overstate the role of genetics. I call it the It's In My Genes And There's Nothing I Can Do About It effect
I, too, believe that hormones play a big part and, along with managing stress and sleep, the major factors in hormone signaling are nutrition and exercise.

Back to your question... My DXA scans show a slight increase in visceral fat over the last year. I purposefully eliminated non-resistance training from my routine while I focused on putting on muscle, so I attribute it to that. I gained 6lb of muscle and lost 1lb of fat but, again, visceral fat went up (+.15lb). I don't have much fat pad so it's hard to measure but seems to stay about the same. Though if it went up in proportion to visceral fat, I don't know that I could measure that. My A/G ratio is about .9 so not a lot of belly fat, and actually dropped a slight amount from previous while, again, visceral went up a tad.

Dunno if that helps but, ya, curious to hear from others, too.

 

[Pegasus]

My take from the theory is this .
Even a lean person can have more visceral fat than they should .
So previously I thought if you are reasonably lean then the answer might be with hormones . I still think this ;however there is now another point to think on . You may be lean by normal western standards but be over your personal fat threshold . If so you may have to go leaner than other people . So genetics has made life harder however in this case the goal is likely still achievable .

Re genetics things like winning the 10,000 meters in the olympics requires genetics . Improving your cardio with exercise does not . So the role of genetics depends on the goal etc .