Being gay makes me feel unmanly ... Should it ?

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You cannot change what you are, no matter what anyone might tell you, it's simply not possible. Living a life of pretence that you are not gay is a terrible fate and will only guarantee you unhappiness. If you live in a homophobic society then I hate to say it, but it's almost a no win situation for you. Even in the 21st century there are many places whose societies are way behind the times. In Western Europe, where I live, we are fortunate to be more enlightened when it comes to sexuality but this has only come about in relatively recent times so maybe attitudes will change in your country in the not too distant future, I hope so for your sake.

and people say god is merciful , loving ! why would a loving god do like this ?

I know lots of people say I should get out of this country , but what if I don't have enough finances for that ? So it means I am destined for a shitty live ? is that it ?

I don't know how I am going to live . I am the only son and only offspring of my parents . They pampered me so much and have given me so much love in my life becoz I was the only son . How am I going to handle them and handle myself ?

And Why do you say "Living a life of pretence that you are not gay is a terrible fate and will only guarantee you unhappiness" . In India , thats how its happened for centuries ! Gay men coerced into sham marriages with women , and then they have sex behind womens back with other men .
I don't want this option but I sometimes feel this is the only option I have now !
Also , is it not true that the lesser you try to think too much about your sexuality , the better it is ! It prevents u from being demoralized and going into depression abt how shitty your life is
 

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Sarabjeet,

I sometimes wonder what the whole world would be like if no one gave a flying sh*t what anyone else thought. What if we all just gravitated towards what made us happiest? If only it were that easy...
Hey if you like dudes, power to you. You're lucky that you're in one of the gay-friendliest places in your country. Some places out there will stone you to death for what you do behind closed doors.

Some people in this thread say you should leave your country. yea, that's an option. Come visit Canada, we accept all kinds of people.
Or, you can stay, and find someone more like you in your own country. Do you guys have a gay village or gay bars you can go chill? If not, hey, maybe you can open your own and start making lots of money ! Then maybe that will promote social change. Who knows, maybe you can be the catalyst for a better future for your people.

Sarabjeet, it sounds like your biggest problem is that you feel an overwhelming pressure from society to fit into some certain kind of mold of what THEY think you should be. When you boil it down, you're afraid of what people will think of you. This leads you to have all this weird anxiety about it. You're questioning your childhood sports interests, you're blaming your own personal likes and interests, you're lashing out at God, trying to find some reason for the cards you've been dealt in life...
What if God made you gay to test you? What if you were supposed to be gay for a reason? Maybe it's your responsibility to be the biggest, gayest dude India has ever seen. Who knows, maybe you should start wearing pink suits with feathers and sip red wine. The funny thing is, we have straight guys over here in the western world doing just that. They're called PUAs.
I don't know what you truly want. But you do. You can figure it out. All I've read from you is "I like something but I'm too afraid to pursue it." Maybe it's time to man up and face your fears

Being interested in darwinism does NOT make you gay. I'm interested in science and I'm not gay. Where the hell did that come from? That's like saying, I enjoy ballet and gymnastics, therefore I am gay, or a sissy.
Um, no. Maybe I'm just deeply touched by the expression of interpretive dance, and impressed by the mastery of one's own body. How does that imply I take it up the rump? It doesn't. Go tell a ballet dancer he's a sissy for doing ballet and he'll stomp you to the ground and do a pirouette on your head. Those guys go through a lot to do what they do.

"I don't like girls but my friends think I should like girls. So, I tried to have sex with one but since I'm not attracted to them, I couldn't get hard. Therefore, I am less manly." Does that sound as dumb to you as it does to me?
Of course you're not going to enjoy sex with a girl. You don't like them. That's akin to me wondering why i don't like kissing dudes. I don't like it! Case closed. Go home, scooby doo! You're wired to want a man. So go out and enjoy it. How you made the leap from that to being less manly is a cultural stigma that circulates around because homophobes are afraid of the unknown. They don't know what it's like to be you. Only you do. don't let them tell you how to think or how to feel.
 
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In India , thats how its happened for centuries ! Gay men coerced into sham marriages with women , and then they have sex behind womens back with other men .
That happens all around the world. It's happened in western history too. People STILL do that nonsense. It's bad for him, because he's living a lie, repressing his true desires and is not living to his fullest.
It's bad for her because the sex is probably lacking. he's probably distant. She might not be totally happy because of it.
Any kids they have will suffer as a result of that marriage.

Unfortunately, life is hard. I hope no one told you it'd be easy. You have to find some friends who will support you. We're here. Find some gay friends. Gays, lesbians, any alternative group who will be there. Maybe your parents will be more understanding of you than you think.
 

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India has a surprising number of closet homosexuals....

Either marry a fair Punjabi girl and go behind her back, or flee to some other state and live as you want.

Mumbai and Delhi have communities that you can interact with and search a partner from.

Head up Sardar!! ALL IZZ WELL!!
 

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A good book on mature masculinity is "King, Warrior, Magician, Lover" by Moore and Gillette. I recommend that every guy read this book.
 

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I should explain, his sense of guilt comes from his parents desiring his happiness with a lovely girl who will be good to them and be a good mother etc.Indian parents have all sorts of dreams and expectations from their children especially daughter-in-laws and grand kids.They probably started talking about marriage when he hit 20.

It is hard to listen to them dream and say " When she comes home, she will do this " knowing you don't want it...or can't make your wife happy.

Now that would disappoint everyone.....
 

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the sooner you figure out who you are what you want and let the people around you know the sooner you will be free to move on and enjoy life
 

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Sarabjeet,

I sometimes wonder what the whole world would be like if no one gave a flying sh*t what anyone else thought. What if we all just gravitated towards what made us happiest? If only it were that easy...
Hey if you like dudes, power to you. You're lucky that you're in one of the gay-friendliest places in your country. Some places out there will stone you to death for what you do behind closed doors.
THANKS EVERY ONE FOR ANSWERING

True ! I am tired of people poking their noses in others businesses ! But the thing is as hard as we try to deny or overcome , still fact is that humans are a social species . We always have and perhaps always will try to get acceptance and confirmation of our views and lifestyle from others in our life(friends , family , etc ) .. Thats the reason why we request our dear ones to come to weddings , coz when the guests come , its like you feel happy that other people confirm the wedding .
Its all so psychological .



Some people in this thread say you should leave your country. yea, that's an option. Come visit Canada, we accept all kinds of people.
Or, you can stay, and find someone more like you in your own country. Do you guys have a gay village or gay bars you can go chill? If not, hey, maybe you can open your own and start making lots of money ! Then maybe that will promote social change. Who knows, maybe you can be the catalyst for a better future for your people.

Oh canada ! Yeah its an amazing place I've heard . People are amazing ! My selfish cousin just migrated there with her husband . You must be knowing the PUNJABI SIKH community over there (esp in vancouver) . The cunt (offensive word but I think its appropriate for her) forgot all the things my dad did for her when my uncle passed away , including spending money and buying gold jewellery for marrying off her and her sisters ! Her whole family is a selfish lot . LOL Anyways I think I am drifting away from the topic haha.

Sarabjeet, it sounds like your biggest problem is that you feel an overwhelming pressure from society to fit into some certain kind of mold of what THEY think you should be. When you boil it down, you're afraid of what people will think of you. This leads you to have all this weird anxiety about it. You're questioning your childhood sports interests, you're blaming your own personal likes and interests, you're lashing out at God, trying to find some reason for the cards you've been dealt in life...
TBH ! I don't think I care for what people think of me as much as I care for what will become to me and my future if I become an openly gay person ! Like how is it going to affect me and what if I get aids if my partner cheated , etc etc . The thoughts keep hunting me . But then I am not straight either ! So , I end up being in this cognitive dissonance over my self-image v/s reality that I like men . I think it hurts my fragile male ego too that I am not a heterosexual macho man !

I live like in the newyork of india when it comes to gays ! Hell these folks have pride parades every year , there is a counseling center , gays increasing presence in media , there is all resources I might need , people don't kill you for being gay . Infact I have told some ppl and they don't give a fk , most of the times people would be like 'ohh !' , most stay as your friends but some may think ur weird , BUT I DON"T GIVE A DAMN to all that . I don't have trouble accepting me gay coz what ppl gonna think.. Its jst coz I have a trouble with my self-image issues and what the hell am I gonna end up as a gay person

"I don't like girls but my friends think I should like girls. So, I tried to have sex with one but since I'm not attracted to them, I couldn't get hard. Therefore, I am less manly." Does that sound as dumb to you as it does to me?
Of course you're not going to enjoy sex with a girl. You don't like them. That's akin to me wondering why i don't like kissing dudes. I don't like it! Case closed. Go home, scooby doo! You're wired to want a man. So go out and enjoy it. How you made the leap from that to being less manly is a cultural stigma that circulates around because homophobes are afraid of the unknown. They don't know what it's like to be you. Only you do. don't let them tell you how to think or how to feel.
YEAH , attraction towards guys is sweet . I like every bit of it ....
 

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India has a surprising number of closet homosexuals....

Either marry a fair Punjabi girl and go behind her back, or flee to some other state and live as you want.

Mumbai and Delhi have communities that you can interact with and search a partner from.

Head up Sardar!! ALL IZZ WELL!!

you have too much information about me :p
 
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I should explain, his sense of guilt comes from his parents desiring his happiness with a lovely girl who will be good to them and be a good mother etc.Indian parents have all sorts of dreams and expectations from their children especially daughter-in-laws and grand kids.They probably started talking about marriage when he hit 20.

It is hard to listen to them dream and say " When she comes home, she will do this " knowing you don't want it...or can't make your wife happy.

Now that would disappoint everyone.....

Yup ! much of my sense of guilt come from that too ! I am the only son of my parents and the only child too . It would be hard on any parent , it jst not spoil all their dreams of a beautiful daughter in law and grandkids to play with , but also harms their rep in this conservative backward society

In anycase I am gonna tell this secret to them some 2 yrs later , that much I do know ! and hopefully we will find a middle way to all this
 

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Being gay makes me feel unmanly ... Should it ?

The answer to your post title, is no. However the grey matter between your ears may have a different opinion on this issue.
Sit down, talk with it, and tell it that it is ok for each of you to have a different opinion.
It will sleep better at night and so will you.
 

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I am not saying it will be easy but perhaps the most manly thing you willdo in your life - will be to be who you really are. Could you go study abroad?
 

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Sarabjeet,


Some people in this thread say you should leave your country. yea, that's an option. Come visit Canada, we accept all kinds of people.
Or, you can stay, and find someone more like you in your own country. Do you guys have a gay village or gay bars you can go chill? If not, hey, maybe you can open your own and start making lots of money !

NICE IDEA ! ;)
then I get hookers like these You Should Meet My Son! -- The Trailer - YouTube
jst see the way guy is shaking his ass off -_- at the beginning of the video !

Reminds me of the female hookers dancing their asses off in front of str8 male audience ,
That guy's ass dance is kinda embarrassing and erotic at the same time LOL
 

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Relax man.

I don't suppose your selfish cousin can help you get to Canada?
 

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India has work to do in this area & also the treatment of women.
 

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Most of what I think has already been said in other posts, so I will keep this simple:

If you don't find women arousing, but you find men arousing, that is a sure-fire sign you should stick to men.

I don't find men arousing, so I stick to women, because I find women arousing.

We aren't all so lucky to be blessed with bisexuality, and the endless options that provides. Some people aren't aroused by either group, and are known as asexuals. They have no orientation, yet does that make them effeminate or unmanly?

You are who you are, be proud, don't change for anybody.

Gay guys can be very manly. Neil Patrick Harris, for one. Freddie Mercury, for another. Alexander the Great, who conquered most of the known world, for another.

Manliness is an aspect of being born a man, or choosing to identify as one, mixed with your self-confidence and self-image. It has nothing to do with orientation.
 
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I suppose it depends on your definition. Stop worrying about it.
 

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Go over there with some lassi and everything will be well....

what scares me is you guys are encouraging me to go to canada for a better life as a gay , I mean that sort of thing should be possible in mumbai ! :\