Thank you for making my point . Don't judge good guys by bad guy. Don' t judge people who use anabolic steroids in judicious moderation by the addictive juice heads. I don't judge a person who takes Tylenol for arthritis in the same manner as a person who takes by the handful when 'they don't feel good. I don't judge judicious doctors with the money whores. I bought bottle of 19-norandrostenediol after much reading because of it's very low side effects and it's propensity to do what I need. That was to help increase endurance in order to build muscle. I had been sick, had no appetite, was weak, and had lost weight. My doctor prescribed a drug that gave me an appetite within 30 minutes of taking and last 2 hours. I took 2 of those pills a day and was able to eat. I then took 2 19-norandros before workout every other day. as I got stronger, I could work harder. The appetite was back within a month and the weight was back in less than 3months. I didn't need the andro and stopped taking it. I still had a few pills left. A few years later I wished to recover some strength in my large muscle of my legs. I tried to by the 19-norandrostenediol again, but it was banned by the steroids act of 2004, I believe. Now, either break the law, get direct testosterone, or pay a hyped up 'youth clinic'. This all because addictive sports figures such as Bonds and McQuire got headlines. We don' judge wine afficionados by alley winos. We shouldn't judge the medical profession by 'money whores'. So don't judge me or for that matter Jackxxx by the too well publicized athletic, bobdybuilding, and wrestling juice heads. I agree with you. Do not compare sane thoughtful responsible people with addictive and unscrupulous money oriented people. I won't do that with you; don' do it with me.
Anabolic Steroids and Penis Enlargement
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I am not judging you at all. I can't tell you how I know the harm they cause on this forum but by my nature I am compelled to try to keep people safe- that's all.
Jackxx- was written on a cod in an er ( what the person died of) and the actual cause are often two different things, particularly when it's known that most life insurance doesn't pay benefits for survivors under certain "conditions". The exact truth is often not "told" due to concern for the survivors!
Jackxx- was written on a cod in an er ( what the person died of) and the actual cause are often two different things, particularly when it's known that most life insurance doesn't pay benefits for survivors under certain "conditions". The exact truth is often not "told" due to concern for the survivors!
The movie:
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 1
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 2
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 3
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 4
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YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 7 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 8 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 9 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 10 of 10 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 1
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 2
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 3
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 4
YouTube - Bigger, Faster, Stronger (2008) - Part 5
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 6 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 7 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 8 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 9 (2008)
YouTube - Bigger Stronger Faster, Part 10 of 10 (2008)
LOL why? this is not a youtube documentary...is the actual movie that somebody posted on youtube.
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None of these guys would starve to death without roids. If no one took them, the criteria would be different and the playing field even.
Actually the government does have a lot authority and jurisdiction on the lives of citizens. For instance they conscript at times , make certain drugs illegal and impose laws in general. This can have a big effect on the course of your life and destiny of your body.
I would say taking reasonable care of health, is a personal responsibility that many break in a number of ways. Of course, government imposes taxes etc, on things like cigs to push us in a direction, but they can't impose it.
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The bad thing about steroids is that most people buy them illegally, reading articles on them and then choosing the ones that back up what they have already chose to believe. Can they be safe, yes in a controlled environment with the supervision and monitoring of a knowledgable professional. Most who use them do them with the advice of the person selling them and rarely is that seller medically qualified.
One man may suffer no side effects while the next has a heart attack. I know a man who died two years ago, big time juicer, benching over 500 pounds at 26 years of age. A wife and a kid, owned a small electrician company, they found his death attributed directly to steroid use. tell his wife and his child they are safe. Would you be able to say that to her.
The problem with steroids is that they need to be monitored to be safe. Can they be safe, yes they can. Are they safe, not most of the time because some guy who reads muscle mags all the time doesnt know about medicine, I have lifted for years and have had very impressive lifts in my life for my size and I am proud to say I did it steroid free and some of those I lifetd against were on roids but it didnt matter. I am not saying any one who uses them is stupid, its your body and no one can stop you. It is however irresponsible to tell the masses that they are safe.
I seem to recall Going411 saying they can make your balls shrink, make you go crazy and get zits. He is correct and it has been documented many times, I have seen roid rage first hand and I know a guy who died from them. Men have grown tits from them, that sounds good.
As I said before I am not trying to single anyone out but to say they are safe is completely stupid and reckless, it should be reworded to say that for some the risk was out weighed by the benefit and they got lucky.
One man may suffer no side effects while the next has a heart attack. I know a man who died two years ago, big time juicer, benching over 500 pounds at 26 years of age. A wife and a kid, owned a small electrician company, they found his death attributed directly to steroid use. tell his wife and his child they are safe. Would you be able to say that to her.
The problem with steroids is that they need to be monitored to be safe. Can they be safe, yes they can. Are they safe, not most of the time because some guy who reads muscle mags all the time doesnt know about medicine, I have lifted for years and have had very impressive lifts in my life for my size and I am proud to say I did it steroid free and some of those I lifetd against were on roids but it didnt matter. I am not saying any one who uses them is stupid, its your body and no one can stop you. It is however irresponsible to tell the masses that they are safe.
I seem to recall Going411 saying they can make your balls shrink, make you go crazy and get zits. He is correct and it has been documented many times, I have seen roid rage first hand and I know a guy who died from them. Men have grown tits from them, that sounds good.
As I said before I am not trying to single anyone out but to say they are safe is completely stupid and reckless, it should be reworded to say that for some the risk was out weighed by the benefit and they got lucky.
So many misconceptions here, it's a drug - simple as that! All drugs can be used with minimal sides, but if abused they can have profound and undesirable effects. I personally worry more about people diets then people taking steroids.
It's not the drug that is stupid and senseless. It's the user. But of course we are all In agreement that the government should make these decisions. We all know guns kill people, not the person. so we all agree the government should ban them too. Right?
Juice makes your horney as hell , being horney means more blood flow to the Penis trough out the day ,that in correlation with pe.... well do the math
There is so much misinformation it is ridiculous - and it is all pushed by the gov't. The mass herds of sheeple just eat it up nom nom nom. I'm surprised we haven't heard the arguments that steroids cause ligament and tendon damage yet on here. In fact, I think the juice may be responsible for hunger, poverty, and the conflict in the Middle East...
Statistics is all is needed. And statistics show no involvement of steroids at all as cause of death on a daily basis. Yet, it would be almost reasonable to say that "everybody" is using steroids in sports. Millions run steroids every day. Yet, we see no medical data. Why? because nobody is in need of medical attention from steroids. As stated before, any negative change or condition in the body is completely reversible when the drug is stopped. People go to the ER and die every day for multiple reasons but no one from steroid use.
More people die from allergy to peanuts than people using steroids...You know what? lets make everything illegal because even smog in the air can kill a person born with asthma! Let's have a communist system like china in which the government decides what you eat and how much of it each day.
It is all common sense. Steroids are safe. Period. Otherwise, fellow Americans are more than welcome to prove the opposite.
More people die from allergy to peanuts than people using steroids...You know what? lets make everything illegal because even smog in the air can kill a person born with asthma! Let's have a communist system like china in which the government decides what you eat and how much of it each day.
It is all common sense. Steroids are safe. Period. Otherwise, fellow Americans are more than welcome to prove the opposite.
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The deaths from steorids are hidden amongst kidney failure ,liver failure or in the case of a friend of mine heart attack. Quite honestly if there is a conspiricy it is the other way. Of course in most western countries, the cost of a lot of medical care goes against the taxpayer. Another issue I hear of, is where the roid users balls shut sown permantly and he has to be given hormones thereafter.
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Jackxxx, you are obviously extremely knowledgable with steroids so you may be able to safely use them. I am mostly concerned about the use of steroids by people who are not as well informed as you. You must admit that they are not safe in the hands of those whoe have not taken the time to understand them and the effects they can have on the body and the shift in chemical balances that they can cause. So can you say they are safe, it is possible they can be used safely but do you think most have invested the time you have learning and understanding them, odds are no. Most people get caught up in the desire to get big, this can become a mental addiction, some will just believe they can take a bit more and then even more after that. The problem may not always be the roids but untilleverybody has the proper knowledge and understanding i hope we could agree that the combination of a misinformed individual and a steroid is potentially a deadly combination. I have not used them but I did get into the andro kick whenn it was legal and I cant say that I did not benefit, I most certainly did but I have since been able to do anything without them that I could when using them although if 1-AD was still available I would probably have some in the gym bag.
I believe anybody who smokes can never criticise anybody who takes steroids because smoking is way more dangerous than steroids. Plus smoking can kill non smokers through passive smoking.
And most things taken to excess can kill..vitamins taken to excess can kill.. even water taken to excess can kill.
And from what i've read the cause of lots of athletes deaths is from diuretics abuse (not steroids) when they use it to lose water or to make a weight limit.
And most things taken to excess can kill..vitamins taken to excess can kill.. even water taken to excess can kill.
And from what i've read the cause of lots of athletes deaths is from diuretics abuse (not steroids) when they use it to lose water or to make a weight limit.
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Pegasus, you have a big job ahead of you, trying to save people from their own stupidity. About your friend, it is true that anabolic steroids can raise cholesterol significantly in abusers. As with any plaques, no matter the origin, they can break off, float thru the circulatory system and cause clots that can cause stroke and heart attack. But abuse of so many foods can do the same. by your admission, your friend was an abuser, so I doubt that he consulted a physician about his problem, which if found early might have been treatable. I wish his wife the best; raising his children alone will be a challenge I hope she can surmount. So many thoughtless actions by all of us have the greatest effect on others who are innocent of our excesses.
I got first hand experience Cusp - I don't advocate the use of steroids but I know how to use them and what they will and will not do. I feel I'm more qualified to give advice on AAS then some dude in congress whose scientific and medical advisories have been ridiculed and made a laughing stock in their own field by the international leading experts - whose opinions are exempt by the American governments wrath. But I can see their point, I'd say steroids make you fat and ugly if I was promised money and power.
If steroids are so bad - Why do they give them to a child who is taken to ER with serious burns and writhing in agony and steroids reduce the agonising recovery time from 2 months to 2 weeks, when a man has stopped producing his natty test levels and becomes depressed as he has no desire for sex, no interest in that which he should, no spring or zest for life any more and is put on trt replacement and totally revitalised for life. Steroids have their place in society - it is a shame that athletes use them to overtake their genetic potential but that does not mean steroids should be shrouded with intended propaganda just to keep the masses in check from the fantastic results they will give. People are entitled to the truth, that is all.
People self-administer insulin everyday and that is seriously dangerous!
And IMO unless you are a aspiring body builder there is no need to take steroids to get a body that we would all love to have. A fantastic physique can be achieved naturally. You just need to be dedicated, not even for a long time either, if you scrutinised your diet like that of a body builder, fasted cv every day, lifting weights 4 times a week - most people could be shredded and muscular in less then 20 weeks!
