Abortion

[phil88]

Well i am bored, and this should definitely stir things up

What are your feelings on abortion? Me I am 100% Anti-abortion. I view sex as a vice, like any other drug that results in feel good chemicals being pumped through your brain, therefore I beleive in taking responsibility for my self indulgent actions. I look at abortion as similar to stealing money to feed an addiction.

However many babies should be taken from their parents upon birth, and as soon as it is realistically possible give all male babies a vasectomy (i dont know if its possible before puberty) and reverse it once they have been licensed as qualified to breed.

lol what are your thoughts?


also do you have kids? Or have you had an abortion? or even a pregnancy scare (i have had two)?

 

[DemOne]

100% against abortion? Let me throw a couple of scenarios out to you.

Young girl is raped by her father who impregnates her. Are you still against abortion?
If so, that girls pregnancy turns into an Ectopic pregnancy (ignoring the rape and incest part). Are you still against abortion?

 

[eternia]

Against abortion. I just can't see how people can just throw away a life that is not even theirs but their child's. Plus one of my friends had abortion and wish she would had never done it.

 

[phil88]

yes because the problem in that scenario is the fact the girl is pregnant lol.

aside from the whole sterilization thing taking care of your extreme, yet far to commonplace scenario, I am still against the abortion. The damage has been done, she does not have to keep the kid, and killing it will have just as negative an affect on her psyche as carrying it.

As for your other question, at a ratio of 5 fatalities out of every 10,000 yes i vote against abortion.....

Finally a question of my own, why a young girl? Does it make any difference how old she is? Or who raped her? Aside from emphasis I mean?

 

[DemOne]

yes because the problem in that scenario is the fact the girl is pregnant lol.

aside from the whole sterilization thing taking care of your extreme, yet far to commonplace scenario, I am still against the abortion. The damage has been done, she does not have to keep the kid, and killing it will have just as negative an affect on her psyche as carrying it.

As for your other question, at a ratio of 5 fatalities out of every 10,000 yes i vote against abortion.....

Finally a question of my own, why a young girl? Does it make any difference how old she is? Or who raped her? Aside from emphasis I mean?

You sir are pathetic. I don't care if it's 5 fatalities out of every 10,000. The simple fact that you will be so god damn callus as to refuse emergency abortion to save the life of a mother with an Ectopic pregnancy is disgusting. Not only will the mother die, but so will the fetus.

What the fuck are you accomplishing there?

 

[eternia]

Plus she could always give him or her a family to live with.

 

[somebodyelse]

100% against abortion? Let me throw a couple of scenarios out to you.

Young girl is raped by her father who impregnates her. Are you still against abortion?
If so, that girls pregnancy turns into an Ectopic pregnancy (ignoring the rape and incest part). Are you still against abortion?

Damn... everything that could go wrong went wrong.

Personally, it's not my position to chose. having been on the side of "laws" that restricted your movements (not personally but my relatives have) and what you could do with your own person, I'm staunchly opposed to even SUGGESTING what someone can do with their own life. I don't have to answer for their decisions and as such, I wouldn't want to be the one responsible for telling them what they can and can't do.

Moral high ground isn't that high when you're not necessarily moral yourself in not letting people have the liberty and the choice to do what they feel with their body.

personally, I'd rather a child be raised in a stable and loving home more than worry about it making it to term. All you're going to do with banning abortion is cause a lot of trash collectors to start seeing more childrens bodies in dumpsters.

I think it's stupid to even suggest trying to keep someone from making a choice in THEIR lives... especially if it doesn't affect you.

 

[somebodyelse]

You sir are pathetic. I don't care if it's 5 fatalities out of every 10,000. The simple fact that you will be so god damn callus as to refuse emergency abortion to save the life of a mother with an Ectopic pregnancy is disgusting. Not only will the mother die, but so will the fetus.

What the fuck are you accomplishing there?

Whoa dude... Chill with the name calling and all that. But You are correct that an ectopic pregnancy will kill the mother. That's not healthy for EITHER carrier, in which case if you can kill a baby to save a mother in one instance, why not "kill" a baby to save it from a life of torment, rejection and solitude. not every child makes it out of the Orphanage and/or Foster care. They come out with emotional damage, abuse, possibly rape and then go on a shooting spree and kill mothers, sons, daughters and fathers.

You can end up with some f*cked up children through foster care. Then again some are relatively well adjusted.

 

[somebodyelse]

Plus she could always give him or her a family to live with.

Sounds good in theory, but practice is much less efficient.

 

[phil88]

lmao so let me get this straight, you proposed a scenario where the baby has 0 chance of surviving? I didnt think I had to look up the babies chance of surving this type of pregnancy because with abortion being an option the baby surviving is sort of assumed. OBVIOUSLY if the baby aint gonna survive the pregnancy then there is no question, but thats not an abortion.... its a medical procedure similar to removing a cyst.

and btw, if the baby does have a chance of surviving, and the fatality rate is .0005 (fatality rate due to suggested pregnancy complication), then yes i vote agaisnt abortion. Im pretty sure u have a better chance of dying going to get milk lol.


P.S your bias is showing

 

[DemOne]

lmao so let me get this straight, you proposed a scenario where the baby has 0 chance of surviving? I didnt think I had to look up the babies chance of surving this type of pregnancy because with abortion being an option the baby surviving is sort of assumed. OBVIOUSLY if the baby aint gonna survive the pregnancy then there is no question, but thats not an abortion.... its a medical procedure similar to removing a cyst.

and btw, if the baby does have a chance of surviving, and the fatality rate is .0005 (fatality rate due to suggested pregnancy complication), then yes i vote agaisnt abortion. Im pretty sure u have a better chance of dying going to get milk lol.


P.S your bias is showing

Forget the baby surviving, you're killing the mother by not allowing the abortion. Do you know what an Ectopic pregnancy is?

Edit: Oh, and I just looked up the actual rate of occurrence. It's 20 out of 1000 pregnancies.
My bias is that it's not my decision to tell a woman what she can or cannot do with her body. If she wants an abortion, let her have one. If she doesn't, that's good too.

 

[phil88]

the numbers i got for occurance were 1 in 50 and 5 in 10,000 for actual fatality. from what i understand egg starts to grow outside of where its supposed to and cannot sustain life meaning its not even a pregnancy, its a failed pregnancy so its not a real abortion so yes I am still 100% against abortion.

lol just did the math, 1 out of 50 is 20 out of 1000 lol.

 

[somebodyelse]

lmao so let me get this straight, you proposed a scenario where the baby has 0 chance of surviving? I didnt think I had to look up the babies chance of surving this type of pregnancy because with abortion being an option the baby surviving is sort of assumed. OBVIOUSLY if the baby aint gonna survive the pregnancy then there is no question, but thats not an abortion.... its a medical procedure similar to removing a cyst.

and btw, if the baby does have a chance of surviving, and the fatality rate is .0005 (fatality rate due to suggested pregnancy complication), then yes i vote agaisnt abortion. Im pretty sure u have a better chance of dying going to get milk lol.


P.S your bias is showing

No pregnancy is guaranteed. they all have a chance of failing/miscarriage. Even if you didn't get an abortion and the baby is a miscarriage (natural abortion), it didn't survive.

I don't disagree, I would rather the child live, that's neither here nor there, nobody is "Pro-Abortion"... most people are Pro-CHOICE... the right... the RIGHT to CHOOSE what you want for your child.

I made this argument before. When someone is in a coma, they have an executor. A "power of attorney" as it were. That person can not make any decisions for themselves, and as such, they have to rely on a close relative to make sure the best course of action is taken for all involved. If removing the life support is what the power of attorney wants, then that's what's going to to happen because the person in a coma has no say in it. Sometimes family gets caught up in "what they want" etc. because that person can't say for themselves.

At the end of the day, SOMEONE has to make a decision about what's best for a the fetus. The fetus doesn't have the mental capacity to decide, so the mother has to make the decision. if she believes she's not capable of giving that child a happy home, she has every right to keep that child from experiencing something horrible.

I say everybody who's against abortion and wants a law to keep it from being practiced has to sign up for a Parental Adoption Legally. If you want all these babies born into the world without a place to go, you keep them. You provide for them and you raise them. Every child that could have been saved the pain of growing up in foster care, you keep them and give them happiness.

 

[WalrusGumBoot]

Yes, there are atrocities, such as rape and incest, but the instances of those pale against the number using abortion as a means of birth control. A fetus is not just tissue. It has a beating heart and is a person.

I am staunchly against abortion, but I know I cannot dictate my own personal beliefs on another person and what they choose to do. Those that choose abortion have a lifetime of guilt they have to deal with and they don't need me wagging my finger at them.

That said, abortion should still be promoted as an option of LAST resort. Abortion mills are big business. Teens are becoming sexually active at younger ages due to peer pressures and trying to fit in, schools are tossing condoms at them and telling them to have "safe" sex knowing all the while that kids will be irresponsible. They even provide transportation to abortion mills without parent knowledge or consent. Kids learn early on that life is disposable. It's all just a f@cked up mess.

 

[somebodyelse]

WGB, I agree. I am against abortion myself. It's another life, and destroying that life is sad... But what's even more sad, to me, is the f*cked up people that these babies would have been born to. You f*ck a child up, you then have a f*cked up adult that can do serious damage to other people.

That said, i do not believe that abortions are used as a form of birth control. How many women you know have had MULTIPLE abortions? one time thing from a teenaged girl is one thing. But if you're talking about using it as a form of birth control meaning they go in there ever couple of months to stop a child being born, I think that's just asinine... and kind of crying wolf.

 

[phil88]

hes talking about an Ectopic pregnancy, which cant support a fetus. Its 100% fail rate with a .0005% of killing the mother, but no baby means no abortion so its just an attempt to score points of me in a debate lol.

As for your last paragraph, any life is better then no life, any other belief, suggests, at the very least a subconscious belief in something more then our approx 72 years on this rock. Also along with prohibiting abortion, ideally you would need to obtain a license in order to breed. Hence the vasectomy at birth, forced sterilization, controlled population, licensed parents. Sounds like it would keep unfit fathers from raping their daughters as well as keeping children from living miserable lives in foster care. Where I live you need to have a license to own a dog lol, but anyone can have a kid.

 

[DemOne]

Yes, there are atrocities, such as rape and incest, but the instances of those pale against the number using abortion as a means of birth control. A fetus is not just tissue. It has a beating heart and is a person.

I am staunchly against abortion, but I know I cannot dictate my own personal beliefs on another person and what they choose to do. Those that choose abortion have a lifetime of guilt they have to deal with and they don't need me wagging my finger at them.

That said, abortion should still be promoted as an option of LAST resort. Abortion mills are big business. Teens are becoming sexually active at younger ages due to peer pressures and trying to fit in, schools are tossing condoms at them and telling them to have "safe" sex knowing all the while that kids will be irresponsible. They even provide transportation to abortion mills without parent knowledge or consent. Kids learn early on that life is disposable. It's all just a f@cked up mess.

Care to provide proof of that?

 

[closeed258]

I'm not anti-abortion like many people are, mistakes happen, girls get pregnant and they shouldn't have to bring up an unwanted child. Like Somebodyelse I don't think any girl uses abortion as birth control but I do think there should be a limit of 1 abortion per girl unless in bad circumstances like Demone mentioned where it is a pregnancy due to rape or the mothers life is at risk. I think if any one person has multiple abortions they should be sterilised.

 

[Closed039]

I have no problem with any abortion at all in fact as long as it is done the INSTANT the mother realizes that she is knocked up. Hopefully this is within a week or two (I honestly have no idea how long it'll be until the preggerz test will come back positive). At that point it is best to just be done with it immediately. This should be applied in all cases - whether it is rape/incest or a one night stand. Then there are obvious medical issues that might arise and all should be done to save the baby and mother. Anything else is completely unethical.

 

[MrBigDick]

I'm generally "pro choice"........however, there are exceptions to my feelings:

1. I'm against abortion IF two people had sex and she got pregnant and they simply don't want the responsibility of being parents so they opt to abort. The OPPOSITE side of this is if they decide to have the baby and then abuse it because they didn't want a kid right now to begin with.........unfortunately, people don't have the ability sometimes to blame themselves for their actions and rather take their anger out on some poor, defenseless little baby.

2. As was stated above, if a father, step father or just a stranger rapes a woman and impregnates her, I believe an abortion should be allowed.

Again, I'm generally speaking a "pro choice" kind of guy but I do have exceptions in my book which would necessitate me being an advocate for an abortion.