Is the West in decline

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Cusp if you want a predicition of exact amounts and times that is impossible .

However I will give you predicitions a bit of crystal ball . Recession and double digit inflation by the end of the year .

Economy will do badly while Trump in office .
 

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Just because you said "FULL STOP" doesn't make it a strong argument. In fact, it's not.

I'm just about done with this tariff debate (Peg probably would like it to end, since that's not even the premise of his topic, anyway) since I've posed numerous explanations that nobody has bothered to provide counterpoints to. I've asked numerous questions that have gone completely unanswered. That kind of discussion gets nobody anywhere and is exhausting to me. I enjoy a good debate where points and counterpoints are made because I learn from that. But when each of my arguments and questions are ignored, it just means that your all's feet are dug in because of how you feel.
It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. Nothing in that statement is untrue, and is so common-sensical I can't believe we are even talking about it.
 

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I gotta stand on not2big's side on this one, for sure. If we aren't going to respect and abide by the Constitution regardless of who's in office, we might as well just toss it all out. This isn't lawfare - it's using the Judicial branch to check the powers of the Executive branch, just as the framers of the nation put into place, and for very good reason. Remember when Biden said he was going to forgive student loan debt and SCOTUS said, "no you're not"? That's how this stuff works. The President doesn't have carte blanche.

P.S. Trump campaigned against using lawfare and is now using it quite generously against his own enemies. If you're casting stones, throw them in both directions.
Love the Left's Judge Shopping to stop Deportations of MS-13 Gang members.
The Left using low-level anti-Trump district judges, not in even in Washinton DC.

Trump has 15+ Injunctions in his first 90 days! The LEFT's court shopping will surpass Trump's 1st term, No Doubt About IT!
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Hummmm?
 
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It's not an argument, it's a statement of fact. Nothing in that statement is untrue, and is so common-sensical I can't believe we are even talking about it.
That's funny because literally every statement you made there is a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not fact, just your opinion. And my opinion is that it's the opposite of common sense.
Love the Left's Judge Shopping to stop Deportations of MS-13 Gang members.
The Left using low-level anti-Trump district judges, not in even in Washinton DC.

Trump has 15+ Injunctions in his first 90 days! The LEFT's court shopping will surpass Trump's 1st term, No Doubt About IT!
Due process and all the other rights provided by the Constitution sure can be inconvenient, can't they.
 

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Anyone got a comment on any country besides the US?
 

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That's funny because literally every statement you made there is a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not fact, just your opinion. And my opinion is that it's the opposite of common sense.

Due process and all the other rights provided by the Constitution sure can be inconvenient, can't they.
Funny how the lil ole district judges get butt hurt when the Federal Judges and Supreme Court Spanks them.
It's worked out well for the TDA MS-13 Gang Banger, Wife Beater, Trafficker who's still in El Salvador.
 
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That's funny because literally every statement you made there is a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not fact, just your opinion. And my opinion is that it's the opposite of common sense.

Due process and all the other rights provided by the Constitution sure can be inconvenient, can't they.
Ok, you're right. Every country should be dependent on their enemies to make the critical supplies they need to exist and prosper. Did I get that right?
 

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The number of Canadians crossing the border into the U.S. has seen a notable decline, particularly in March, with road trips down 32% and air trips down 13.5 % compared to the previous year. This drop is impacting the U.S. tourism industry, with potential losses reaching $6 billion
 

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Umm when did the Canuks and the rest of the western world become enemies of the US?
 

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Ok, you're right. Every country should be dependent on their enemies to make the critical supplies they need to exist and prosper. Did I get that right?
What you're getting wrong is your world view - that everyone outside of your borders is an enemy.

(And we haven't even ventured into what constitutes "critical supplies" yet)
 

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The number of Canadians crossing the border into the U.S. has seen a notable decline, particularly in March, with road trips down 32% and air trips down 13.5 % compared to the previous year. This drop is impacting the U.S. tourism industry, with potential losses reaching $6 billion
I wouldn't come here, either. I'd be afraid they'd search my phone, find something I said critical of Trump, and put me on a plane to El Salvador.
 

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The number of Canadians crossing the border into the U.S. has seen a notable decline, particularly in March, with road trips down 32% and air trips down 13.5 % compared to the previous year. This drop is impacting the U.S. tourism industry, with potential losses reaching $6 billion
Canada's West Jet flights to SIN City have not seen any drop in flights to Las Vegas!
Speaking of Jets, where does Canada get those F18 Hornets to protect their homeland?

For Example, Canada places a 300% tariff on American Butter & Cheese products.
 

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That's funny because literally every statement you made there is a statement of opinion. Your opinion. Not fact, just your opinion. And my opinion is that it's the opposite of common sense.

Due process and all the other rights provided by the Constitution sure can be inconvenient, can't they.
Interesting that the Illegal MS-13 Gang Banger & Wife-beater deported to El Salvador has been in front of 17 Judges before Trump/Homan sent him packing! Adio's Muchacho!!!
 

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Speaking of Jets, where does Canada get those F18 Hornets to protect their homeland?
And....... So what? Who gets paid when they buy those jets? :rolleyes:
For Example, Canada places a 300% tariff on American Butter & Cheese products.
Are you ignoring the facts or unaware of them? They've literally never imported enough for those tariffs to kick in. They never hit the threshold.
By the way, the Trump administration set those thresholds if I'm not mistaken.
Also... Even if they did, they're just taxing their own citizens/consumers to import our dairy. That's their bad policy, not ours.
Interesting that the Illegal MS-13 Gang Banger & Wife-beater deported to El Salvador has been in front of 17 Judges
Where do you get that number? More importantly, though... Exactly how many crimes has Garcia been convicted of? Again.... those pesky rights provided by the Constitution sure can be annoying and get in the way of your feelings, can't they. And the thing about rights and liberty is that they're afforded to everyone - not just the people you like.
before Trump/Homan sent him packing! Adio's Muchacho!!!
P.S. Even the Trump administration admitted that he was deported in error. Oops.
 

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And....... So what? Who gets paid when they buy those jets? :rolleyes:

Are you ignoring the facts or unaware of them? They've literally never imported enough for those tariffs to kick in. They never hit the threshold.
By the way, the Trump administration set those thresholds if I'm not mistaken.
Also... Even if they did, they're just taxing their own citizens/consumers to import our dairy. That's their bad policy, not ours.

Where do you get that number? More importantly, though... Exactly how many crimes has Garcia been convicted of? Again.... those pesky rights provided by the Constitution sure can be annoying and get in the way of your feelings, can't they. And the thing about rights and liberty is that they're afforded to everyone - not just the people you like.

P.S. Even the Trump administration admitted that he was deported in error. Oops.
Interestingly, 70 countries have contacted the US to negotiate the tariffs!

To Deport an ILLEGAL, they do not have to be convicted of a crime.
He entered the US illegally in violation of 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien.

Abrego Garcia has MS-13 Tattoo's on his knuckles, was documented as a member of MS-13 in a Law Enforcement Sweep.
While traveling from Texas to Maryland, Abrego Garcia was stopped by the Tennessee Highway Patrol for speeding.
The officer observed eight other individuals in the vehicle. There was no luggage in the vehicle. All the occupants gave Garcia address as their own. Garcia had two Restraining/Protective orders petitioned by his wife for Beating Her!

Here's Garcia's DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS INVESTIGATIVE REFERRAL
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2025/25_0418_hsi_referral-abrego-garcia.pdf

YES, MS-13 Gang Banger & Wife-beater deported to El Salvador has been in front of 17 Judges

Even if Garcia is returned, which he will not, he will be deported again as soon as his Gang Banger toes touch US Soil!
 

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As countries turn away from US military equipment they US will lose major export markets .

It will be good for Europe and Soth Korea .
 

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To Deport an ILLEGAL, they do not have to be convicted of a crime.
He entered the US illegally in violation of 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien.
He was granted withholding of removal status in 2019
P.S. Why, then, did the Trump administration admit his deportation was an administrative error. That's kinda confusing, no?!
Abrego Garcia has MS-13 Tattoo's on his knuckles,
You can't be serious! That photo is easily the worst fake image I think I've ever seen. No serious person looks at that photo and actually believes it's the real deal. Not to mention, why is every single other photo of him that exists missing those letters on the knuckles.
Now I know that you're a very unserious person and are just going to tow the Fox line on this and believe anything that supports that narrative. Not even sure why I'm continuing the discussion with you.
was documented as a member of MS-13 in a Law Enforcement Sweep.
Using the word "documented" to imply something it' not here 🙄
While traveling from Texas to Maryland, Abrego Garcia was stopped by the Tennessee Highway Patrol for speeding.
The officer observed eight other individuals in the vehicle. There was no luggage in the vehicle. All the occupants gave Garcia address as their own. Garcia had two Restraining/Protective orders petitioned by his wife for Beating Her!

Here's Garcia's DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY HOMELAND SECURITY INVESTIGATIONS INVESTIGATIVE REFERRAL
https://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2025/25_0418_hsi_referral-abrego-garcia.pdf
Ahh... So the DHS is now the judicial system for the US. Got it. We no longer need the courts and we'll just have DHS, ICE, and any other agency we side with decide whether people are guilty. What could possibly go wrong.
YES, MS-13 Gang Banger & Wife-beater deported to El Salvador has been in front of 17 Judges
Do you even know whether that claim is true? Other than Kennedy saying it (I don't believe everything I hear. Do you?) I cannot find one single source to support the claim of 17 appearances in court.

But let's say it is true. Are you bothering to question when those appearances were? How many were too obtain his remain status in 2019? What's your point, because we know for a fact that he's never been convicted of a crime and we know for a fact that his deportation wasn't given due process. He NEVER saw a judge to determine his deportation, despite Kennedy trying to make it sound like he had.
Also Kennedy: "This was a screw-up in my opinion, the administration won't admit it, but this was a screw-up,"
Even if Garcia is returned, which he will not, he will be deported again as soon as his Gang Banger toes touch US Soil!
Nope. Perhaps after a hearing but not "as soon as..." And, if after due process he's deported, that's fine. That's the way the system should work.

You REALLY don't understand this whole story and are just towing the right wing line. I think you don't want to understand it. You don't want to know any of the facts that dispute the narrative you prefer. Your feelings are more important than facts.

I'm done with this discussion with you.
 

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As countries turn away from US military equipment they US will lose major export markets .

It will be good for Europe and Soth Korea .
100%. I think possibly very good for China, too.
 

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Interestingly, 70 countries have contacted the US to negotiate the tariffs!
So then you agree that tariffs aren't actually good for the country as we were told and that it's better to negotiate them down. Good.
 

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He was granted withholding of removal status in 2019
P.S. Why, then, did the Trump administration admit his deportation was an administrative error. That's kinda confusing, no?!

You can't be serious! That photo is easily the worst fake image I think I've ever seen. No serious person looks at that photo and actually believes it's the real deal. Not to mention, why is every single other photo of him that exists missing those letters on the knuckles.
Now I know that you're a very unserious person and are just going to tow the Fox line on this and believe anything that supports that narrative. Not even sure why I'm continuing the discussion with you.

Using the word "documented" to imply something it' not here 🙄

Ahh... So the DHS is now the judicial system for the US. Got it. We no longer need the courts and we'll just have DHS, ICE, and any other agency we side with decide whether people are guilty. What could possibly go wrong.

Do you even know whether that claim is true? Other than Kennedy saying it (I don't believe everything I hear. Do you?) I cannot find one single source to support the claim of 17 appearances in court.

But let's say it is true. Are you bothering to question when those appearances were? How many were too obtain his remain status in 2019? What's your point, because we know for a fact that he's never been convicted of a crime and we know for a fact that his deportation wasn't given due process. He NEVER saw a judge to determine his deportation, despite Kennedy trying to make it sound like he had.

Also Kennedy: "This was a screw-up in my opinion, the administration won't admit it, but this was a screw-up,"

Nope. Perhaps after a hearing but not "as soon as..." And, if after due process he's deported, that's fine. That's the way the system should work.

You REALLY don't understand this whole story and are just towing the right wing line. I think you don't want to understand it. You don't want to know any of the facts that dispute the narrative you prefer. Your feelings are more important than facts.

I'm done with this discussion with you.

Photoshop Tattoo? Yes, illegals have Kat Von D as their tattoo artist.

Let's give every one of the estimated 11 million undocumented immigrants, Correction, ILLEGALS that President Biden and Vice President Harris have allowed into the U.S. unvetted a hearing.
Did President Barack Obama provide hearings or due process for the millions he deported?

President Trump, unlike others, is doing what he promised during his campaign, which is why he won in a landslide!
Additionally, winning the Senate and the House! Now, AOC is polling at the Top of the Ticket for Democrats. LOL!

P.S. You must wear out the quote button; it's been fun! Adiós, Muchacho!
 
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