Why IMO most hard flaccids caused by injury will NOT recover without surgery

[MajorWang]

again proving your point that you are clueless. obitoo has done more research on this than pretty much anyone, he put years and thousands of dollars into researching and helping people get over HF, you are a noob that is just speculateing and imagining worst case scenario because you are not willing to accept or do what needs to be done. what have you actually done other than post on this forum and possibly see urologists? by the way incase you didnt realise this, urologists are dumbasses, they know literally fuck all about sexual health.

Oh dear god. You said you were done arguing and I applauded your decision, but now you are back at it. Would you mind explaining how you know obitoo spent "thousands of dollars" researching the issue instead of calling me a speculating noob and tossing insults? If I am truly uneducated on the issue, please attempt to educate me. So far all you've done is say "oh you know nothing," "this thread is hilarious," and "you are like a brick wall." There is no evidence that he spent thousands of dollars other than the fact that he said so on his website, which does not even qualify as evidence, considering that he is advertising for his product on that site. In addition, the website doesn't even claim he spent it on "research," it just says "medical bills."

I realize that most urologists indeed know "fuck all" about this issue, but that doesn't say anything about the fascia theory itself.

What I said is nowhere near the worst case scenario. In fact, if all instances of HF were truly is mostly in our heads 100% of the time, that would be much worse because there is no conceivable surgery for mental trauma, and yet many of us do not completely recover even after years.

 

[Big Al]

If this thread continues to devolve further into pointless arguing then it'll be locked up immediately!

Agree to disagree or learn to get your points across in a civilized manner.

 

[HFrecovering]

Oh dear god. You said you were done arguing and I applauded your decision, but now you are back at it. Would you mind explaining how you know obitoo spent "thousands of dollars" researching the issue instead of calling me a speculating noob and tossing insults? If I am truly uneducated on the issue, please attempt to educate me. So far all you've done is say "oh you know nothing," "this thread is hilarious," and "you are like a brick wall." I realize that most urologists indeed know "fuck all" about this issue, but that doesn't say anything about the fascia theory itself.

What I said is nowhere near the worst case scenario. In fact, if all instances of HF were truly is mostly in our heads 100% of the time, that would be much worse because there is no conceivable surgery for mental trauma, and yet many of us do not completely recover even after years.

because the majority of people that have or did have HF have followed obitoo through his progress and story for years, he helped people beat HF that have had this condition for 10+ years he even had to close his forum because of people like you that arent getting any better because you dont listen and start throwing out wild theorys. keep going the way you are going and i bet any ammount of money you will get NOWHERE. start doing what needs to be done and you will see small progress in waves. the fact you are on a forum obsessing about your dick fascia and penis surgery is not the mind of a healthy person. you are just so far in your immagination you really cant see it. eventually though after a long period of depression and self loathing you will finally start listening and start to accept that the way you are approaching this is all wrong. or you could just skip all that and start accepting what people that have beat this are telling you,

 

[MajorWang]

because the majority of people that have or did have HF have followed obitoo through his progress and story for years, he helped people beat HF that have had this condition for 10+ years he even had to close his forum because of people like you that arent getting any better because you dont listen and start throwing out wild theorys. keep going the way you are going and i bet any ammount of money you will get NOWHERE. start doing what needs to be done and you will see small progress in waves. the fact you are on a forum obsessing about your dick fascia and penis surgery is not the mind of a healthy person. you are just so far in your immagination you really cant see it. eventually though after a long period of depression and self loathing you will finally start listening and start to accept that the way you are approaching this is all wrong. or you could just skip all that and start accepting what people that have beat this are telling you,

Okay, Big Al says no more arguing. Let's stop. We are making no progress. I updated my post with some more info for you to read, but if you want to reply to it I suggest PMing me so we don't have to argue here.

 

[rxaxa]

I find it hilarious where some of these guys think OBITOO is the God. Please give me a break.

Like I said before some people definately have pelvic issues causing hard flaccid problem.

SOME others not. Due to injury, immediate pop followed by insane swelling which some of us experienced.

Everyones situation is different, so dont jump the gun saying what u are going through is same as what happened to me.

Some of suffers were stupid and injured ourselves with erect jelqing and etc. Lots of people like Obitto himself were never doing PE.

Some of us despite all of PT and other methods are still suffering from variety of problems not just HF.

We are here to discuss about the problems (not saying surgery is only fix) and trying to find solution

So stop trying to say every freaking problem, solution if HF unraveled BY obitto. THE BIBLE. Give me a freaking break

 

[MajorWang]

I find it hilarious where some of these guys think OBITOO is the God. Please give me a break.

I appreciate the fact that you realize obitoo is not the god here, but lets stop arguing like Big Al said. If you want I can set up a skype group for us to discuss this privately

 

[rxaxa]

Sorry big al. No more arguing.

 

[MajorWang]

If this thread continues to devolve further into pointless arguing then it'll be locked up immediately!

Agree to disagree or learn to get your points across in a civilized manner.

Sorry about it too. I'll try to keep things down.

 

[HFrecovering]

okay continue down your path of speculation and panic, get used to your hard flaccid because its going nowhere buddy. peace

 

[MajorWang]

I will say this though to everyone reading this thread:

obitoo is not a god, nor did he find the solution to everyone's HF. His website claims that he spent thousands of dollars on medical bills (not even on research), but he is also advertising for his product on the same site. You can point to the people that he did "cure," but realize that there is another group of people that have had it for years, tried his methods, and failed.

If you believe that I am a crazy panicy theorist, fine. But I would tell you that I am well over that stage, and 90% of the time I don't even have HF. Yet still, I never get spontaneous erections, even at times when I don't have HF.

 

[m3232]

Wang, if you disconnect completely any of the interconnected muscles and tissue of the penis and groin which you can find in any diagram the symptoms would mimic hf.
There is no reason for you to isolate the facia you are referring to.
Why choose that?
What makes hf so bizarre is that it mimics just about every other condition both actual and hypothetical.

The physical aspect is hypertension which restricts blood flow.
You do need to read about guys who had this years thinking it was every condition you can imagine.

If youve had it a year you will find someone who had it for two. Insisting and utterly believing it was once thing then another and another and then VL again when the doctor disagrees.

 

[MajorWang]

Wang, if you disconnect completely any of the interconnected muscles and tissue of the penis and groin which you can find in any diagram the symptoms would mimic hf.
There is no reason for you to isolate the facia you are referring to.
Why choose that?
What makes hf so bizarre is that it mimics just about every other condition both actual and hypothetical.

The physical aspect is hypertension which restricts blood flow.
You do need to read about guys who had this years thinking it was every condition you can imagine.

If youve had it a year you will find someone who had it for two. Insisting and utterly believing it was once thing then another and another and then VL again when the doctor disagrees.

Hi again,

I isolated the fascia for two reasons:
1. The dartos fascia has the lowest tensile strength, and most initial tension. When the penis is faced with a strong stretching force, this would suggest that the dartos fascia would break first. It is possible that other parts may have been damaged as well.
2. The tension naturally stored in the dartos fascia would theoretically prevent healing because the disconnected ends cannot touch.
EDIT: 3. The dartos fascia is connected to the colles fascia, which covers the pelvic floor, and pelvic floor relaxation has been shown to help.

I've read of guys thinking it was VL, nerve damage, etc., but I've only run into a couple people suggesting the fascia. It doesn't seem to be VL because sildenafil has been found effective by some with HF, and it doesn't seem to be nerve damage because the numbness is only when in hard flaccid state.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Has anyone used Viagra?

 

[MajorWang]

Has anyone used Viagra?

Yeah, it made the erectile quality better but did not return spontaneous erections when I tried.

 

[HFrecovering]

Yeah, it made the erectile quality better but did not return spontaneous erections when I tried.

for what its worth im not trying to be an asshole. im trying to help you dude but you are really not doing yourself any favours with speculation. its muscle tension....its really as simple as that. even if you dont belive me or others you should try to understand it.

 

[mikecares]

Has anyone used Viagra?

Ive tried cialias. My erections are actually strong when I'm with girls (they are not strong at night or in the morning) but the pre ejaculation is terrible. I might try thick condoms for that if it doesn't get better. What do you guys think about that?

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Yeah, it made the erectile quality better but did not return spontaneous erections when I tried.

What about the hf when the viagra wore off, better, worse, same?

 

[MajorWang]

What about the hf when the viagra wore off, better, worse, same?

Worse off for 2 days, then back to the same.

 

[mikecares]

In terms of Obitto...I believe that his stuff mainly applies to people with non-PE injuries (stress, poor pelvic floor)..but he doesn't really talk about jelqers that have recovered from HF with PT..and i haven't read many stories about jelqers recovering from HF with PT.

 

[MajorWang]

for what its worth im not trying to be an asshole. im trying to help you dude but you are really not doing yourself any favours with speculation. its muscle tension....its really as simple as that. even if you dont belive me or others you should try to understand it.

Well I'm glad you are trying to help but to say that it is purely CPPS/muscle tension in every case would be, IMO, mistaken.

I agree that relaxing pelvic floor muscles helps a lot, but right now mine are relaxed as can be but I still have erectile difficulties.