Why IMO most hard flaccids caused by injury will NOT recover without surgery

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Well I'm glad you are trying to help but to say that it is purely CPPS/muscle tension in every case would be, IMO, mistaken.

I agree that relaxing pelvic floor muscles helps a lot, but right now mine are relaxed as can be but I still have erectile difficulties.

okay thats your opinion and i disagree. but why not just make an effort to belive its muscle tension......
 

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Wang. You need yo stop worrying about spontaneous erections. They were never real. They were actually 'on demand erections'
Look into porn addiction and conditioning.
After the age of say 16 nobody gets spontaneous out of nowhere erections.
They learn to control it and it becomes the conditioned on demand erection u seek.
Porn arousal, thought arousal, , not the same as instinctive intimate arousal.

Can get an erection with girl (physical)
Can get an erection with viagra (physical)
Good
Cant get 'spontaneous' (unnecessary) on demand erection for myself
(Psychological)

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okay thats your opinion and i disagree. but why not just make an effort to belive its muscle tension......

Well I used to believe wholeheartedly that it was muscle tension... It's the only reason I bothered with pelvic floor relaxation in the first place.
 

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Wang. You need yo stop worrying about spontaneous erections. They were never real. They were actually 'on demand erections'
Look into porn addiction and conditioning.
After the age of say 16 nobody gets spontaneous out of nowhere erections.
They learn to control it and it becomes the conditioned on demand erection u seek.
Porn arousal, thought arousal, , not the same as instinctive intimate arousal.

Can get an erection with girl (physical)
Can get an erection with viagra (physical)
Good
Cant get 'spontaneous' (unnecessary) on demand erection for myself
(Psychological)

Yawns
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Goes back to ebay

I'm not sure it's that simple. I'm in my early twenties and prior to this I'm sure I had spontaneous erections.

Day before the injury: perfectly fine.
Day of and after: problems.

That isn't the only problem though, erectile quality is greatly diminished. I rarely watch porn so that's not an issue for me. Fapping limited also. I have never had these problems at all prior to the injury.

Also, my genitals are now cold even when not HF. Not like that before injury, and last time I checked, not normal.
 
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Well I used to believe wholeheartedly that it was muscle tension... It's the only reason I bothered with pelvic floor relaxation in the first place.

It is not just muscle tension . There are huge head issue stuff going on in guys with hf, the physical part (pelvic floor tension ) is actually the lesser part . You need to address stress, anxiety etc .
 

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Don't bother telling these guys that Pegasus. They won't listen
 

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Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.
 

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okay thats your opinion and i disagree. but why not just make an effort to belive its muscle tension......


If its only muscle tension, then why do people not get better after pelvic relaxation exercises? The hard flaccid is not the main problem for many. It's the erection issues. Poor gland filling, extremely stiff shaft that feel uncomfortable, poor premature ejaculation (1 minutes or less), inability to get erections through arousing images/thoughts. I wouldn't give a sh*t if my HF was there and I had no erection dysfunction...but people always have the erection dysfunction.

At the end of the day, ask yourselves this. If its only pelvic floor/muscle tension related, why do so many people still not get better after physio? Because something else is going on.
 

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Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.

So how did you recover? IS your erection quality good enough for sustainable sex? People keep saying its all muscle tension and anxiety related...but yet people do not get better with one set treatment
 

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Wang. You need yo stop worrying about spontaneous erections. They were never real. They were actually 'on demand erections'
Look into porn addiction and conditioning.
After the age of say 16 nobody gets spontaneous out of nowhere erections.
They learn to control it and it becomes the conditioned on demand erection u seek.
Porn arousal, thought arousal, , not the same as instinctive intimate arousal.

Can get an erection with girl (physical)
Can get an erection with viagra (physical)
Good
Cant get 'spontaneous' (unnecessary) on demand erection for myself
(Psychological)

Yawns
Sighs
Goes back to ebay

I strongly disagree. Prior to my injury, I would easily get erections from a girl I found attractive if I abstained for a few days and thought about sex. Now, I can't get any erections if I think about a girl that I find attractive (and I've abstained for 6 weeks). After I ejaculate and my HF comes on hard again, my erections are much weaker the next day when I'm with my girl. Barely get up. You never said how you recovered...many people have tried rest, physio, etc..and still do not recover. Something is clearly playing another factor here
 

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Hi again. Had HF for over 3 months now. I know you've heard of people getting better, but so have I. In fact, I am one of those people who has made great improvement on my HF by relaxing my pelvic floor. However, I don't believe anyone has fully corrected the erectile difficulty issues.

I noticed those symptoms too when my HF was harder. I'm quite sure it's to do with the fact that the urethra of the chronically contracted penis is not as good at holding back liquid, but this is just speculation, not much to back it up.

Keep searching the medical literature. I am looking everyday and will let you know if I find something relevant.

You've only had this for 3 months, I think you should give yourself a chance to heal this. Your theory about the fascia being injured actually makes sense to me. As I see that my tissue has a horizontal stretch like mark we're I have an injury. I can tell it's in the outer layer since it moves up and down the interior chambers. I'm dealing with this BS for almost 2 years now. I know that sounds terrible, and I think lots of people would choose to ignore somebody who is continuing to have this issues after 20+ months. On the other hand, I can tell you that my healing really has been accelerating.

I always have morning erections, my libido is high, and I get spontaneous erections. I didn't get that 3 months after first getting HF from injury. However, my penis tissue lacks the ability to stretch out, and also there is a lack of sensation on the shaft still. But these problems are now decreasing, and my penile tissue is becomming more healthy looking.

I think you're doing everything right, BUT... this idea about surgery is a dead end. There is a surgery with a penile fracture, that must be performed within hours of the event. However, from what I've found out, with this type of fascia injury, which is not a fracture, the medical prognosis is to "wait and see". I really find it hard to believe any surgeons doing this surgery. And, it's a huge risk, because there is a big chance it'll cause worse problems. I think you're doing good now, if you've figured out how to relax the PF and reduced the actual HF symptoms completely. And with this I think you'll be able to let your body heal the problems. But, unfortunately it can be a long healing process. And you'll might not ever be completely like you were pre-injury. But, I think it's possible to become quite close, like 95-99% healed. I read some documents about sports injuries with soft tissue. Basically, the tissue will never be as strong as before, but it approaches the same strength. My point is that, you'll definetely be able to have a healthy sex life!
 

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[QUTE=aBone2pick;1108694]Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.[/QUOTE]

It will never be curable by surgery.
Surgery will cause it.
 

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[QUTE=aBone2pick;1108694]Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.[/QUOTE]

It will never be curable by surgery.
Surgery will cause it.
 

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Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.

NO.
You need to get over your head issues
 

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If its only muscle tension, then why do people not get better after pelvic relaxation exercises? The hard flaccid is not the main problem for many. It's the erection issues. Poor gland filling, extremely stiff shaft that feel uncomfortable, poor premature ejaculation (1 minutes or less), inability to get erections through arousing images/thoughts. I wouldn't give a sh*t if my HF was there and I had no erection dysfunction...but people always have the erection dysfunction.

At the end of the day, ask yourselves this. If its only pelvic floor/muscle tension related, why do so many people still not get better after physio? Because something else is going on.

The something else is head issues.
 

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So how did you recover? IS your erection quality good enough for sustainable sex? People keep saying its all muscle tension and anxiety related...but yet people do not get better with one set treatment

People don't get their heads right.
 
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[QUTE=aBone2pick;1108694]Hard flaccid is caused by an accute physical trauma. There is no question of this. Apathetic physicians saying otherwise does not change this fact.

That being said, the phsychological aftermath of the initial injury definitely exacerbates the actual physical problem and delays recovery. It's a vicious cycle really. You hurt your dick and are terrified it's broken, so you keep testing to see if you can get an erection and getting even more stressed and causing more damage.

I think hard flaccid will be surgically curable within the next ten or so years, but it's currently just so far under the radar in the urology world right now that it will be a bit. It needs more time and exposure for people in the field to realize how lucrative curing this would be for them.

Muscle tension is definitely a factor in hard flaccid, but it's more of a symptomatic result of the initial injury. Getting over the tension will help, but some aspects of the problem will persist regardless of tension. My hard flaccid has mostly recovered, but the exact point of injury still hurts if I have an erection for longer than 10 or so minutes. Am I fully functional? Yes. Do I still want the pain to go away? Of course!

Hope that contributes something to the discussion.

It will never be curable by surgery.
Surgery will cause it.[/QUOTE]
Umm guys with hf have head issues before they get it .
 
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It will never be curable by surgery.
Surgery will cause it.
Umm no guys with hf have head issues before they get it .[/QUOTE]

And how do you know that? This is such a convenient explanation for explaining why people have HF and such an outrageous statement...you are basically saying its all the persons fault. "It's all in your head bro and until you stop worrying, you will always have it." Sex is a physiological need. OF COURSE people are going to getting stressed out when there dick is not working. Insanity to think otherwise.

Also, everyone has issues in their life. "head issues" is such a silly statement I'm not even sure what you mean by that. If a person has insecurities, does that mean they have head issues? Everyone has insecurities. If they are worried about their taxes all the time, does that mean they have head issues? You are human and will have bad and good days whether you are a healthy person or not.
 

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Mike, when tax is an issue bothering your head it doesn't prevent you from paying taxe due tho the government taxation system.
When your penis is not functioning properly there is no such institution in place.
 
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