The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

[HFrecovering]

What the fuck is wrong with YOU? That was uncalled for.

mikecares is fairly new to this issue, he is not educated on HF in the slightest yet he thinks he is an expert. he makes post after post of untrue information, it is dangerous because new people will belive anything and listen to anything on this subject and cause them to panic. he has been told what to do to get better yet he chooses to just speculate and add in his on theorys. it doesnt help him or anyone else. Dangerous

 

[HFrecovering]

Yes, that is what I meant...I said you can restore 100 percent function just like any injury. You should relax. I'm not talking "sh*t." I have the same thing as everyone else so no one is talking "sh*t." Just because I believe that this condition is largely physical then psychological in people who sustain PE injuries, you cannot tell me I'm misinforming people and talking sh*t. I've spent nearly a half a decade learning about sports injuries and have worked with physiotherapists who have been mentored by some of the top back specialists in the world, so I'm 99% confident I understand rehab and injuries process better then most people posting on here. I may not be a penis specialists, but an injury is an injury. Treatment is a holistic process but for any injury, the main tool to restore functionality is rest and then physical rehab. Dozens of literature articles support what I am saying.

no you said you can restore near to 100% and that somone would never be truely healed. that is untrue. you also make post after post speculateing about what the problem is. you are new to this issue and you have not put in the work and years of research other people have. you are making people that are new to this issue panic. im not trying to be a dick. im trying to save some poor guy that reads your posts and panics

 

[closed113]

I think I've asked this before but I didn't get too many responses, so il ask again

have you guys that have healed yourself from hard flaccid and pelvic floor dysfunction using the methods recommended recoverd your erection strength and normal penis size?

obviously your dick being back to normal strength an size constitutes being healed from this correct?

I have a feeling that some of you that are claiming an saying you healed yourself are just in acceptance of what's left, and not actually back to your old penis strength and sizes. So I don't see how that constitutes "healed" or is chalked up to being healed.

Yes, my 100% penis size and strength is back to normal. I would say it's at least better than it was before injury, because of the major focus I've paid to health, both physical and mental. I'm definetely sustained an injury. There were periods of months were erections were difficult. However, dealing with anxiety cause by this is the first step in the path to recovery. This is the simple road to recovery: mental calmness, nutrition, exercise.

The mental aspect involves unlearning any anxieties you might have. Personally, I was a really anxious person before. Voodoo sums it up really well, when he talked about the conscious state of being in the cerebral cortex, or something to that effect. Always worrying about things, not living in the whole body. Do some cognitive therapy, and practice what you learn. Also practice yoga nidra. It is not enough to just have knowledge, you need to practice these things on a regular basis. Buy the mp3 for yoga nidra.

The nutrition aspect involves eating a whole foods diet. Eat organic produce, preferrably raw. Eating organic meat, and grass fed beef free of hormones and drugs as much as possible. Just do your best to get the best food sources. Wild fish is good to. Keep track of what you eat in a journal. Keep track of the macronutrients first. And inform yourself on good sources of those nutrients. For example, polyunsatruated omega-3 fats are good. The western diet is really high in fat. Try to get the bulk of your energy from carbs and protein. Eating a vegetarian diet is more challenging, because you'll most likely need to supplement. Finding complete protein sources will be important. Personally I need to work at eating enough calories during the day. Make sure you get enough calories for your body to function 100%.

Exercise is important of course. The body needs to keep active, and not sedentery. Apparently RE is really effective. I'm reading the book on RE now, and it is good. For me, I've been weight lifting. It's something that I enjoy. I know people say avoid it, but I've exerienced no problems. I read some stuff on the web about people using bodybuilding and weightlifting as a means to heal disease and injury. Also it helps tremendously with the good mood. And there is tons of good information about nutrition with bodybuilding.

 

[mikecares]

no you said you can restore near to 100% and that somone would never be truely healed. that is untrue. you also make post after post speculateing about what the problem is. you are new to this issue and you have not put in the work and years of research other people have. you are making people that are new to this issue panic. im not trying to be a dick. im trying to save some poor guy that reads your posts and panics

gosh, this is senseless to argue on here, but clearly you are not informed about injury processes so I will explain because you think I am "dangerous" for posting stuff on here.

that's what healing is in a sense. when u injure something tho, it's never 100 percent the same

Healing of structures is different then the function of the structure. When you injure a structure, there is a healing time for that structure and then how that structure functions. Every structure heals at a different rate. Muscles take quicker then tendons, tendons quicker then vertebrae, etc. All structures heal in accordance to half-lives. A half-life is how much time it takes for something to reach half its initial value. e.g. the half life of a tendon ranges from around 1-3 months (some tendons take MUCH longer). This means 50% of the tissue damaged will be restored in that time.When that structure heals, it heals at a slightly weaker form because of scar tissue and other factors. Structurally, it is weaker then before. This is basic tissue mechanics. This sounds bad right? Well, not really because this is where physical rehab and function come into play. Next point.

but functionality can be restored to near 100 percent.

Functionality is how you can use that structure to perform tasks - when you damage a ligament ankle from a severe sprain, it can take up to a YEAR to structurally heal. You may be thinking if it takes up to a year to heal, why do some people get back into play after 1-2 months? Thats because they have INCREASED their functionality to a point in which they can perform daily tasks without pain or being bothered. Even though it is technically still structurally healing, a person can increase its functionality of their ankle by perform physical therapy exercises within the ankles capacity. Physical exercise increases the rate of recovery through improving functionality - the body heals at its own rate and the rate of healing depends on the structure injured

some thing u never full heal from tho...like cancer...there's always an increased chance u get it again.

This is 100%. You never actually "heal" from cancer - you recover from it and are always at risk for getting it again. If you get sun cancer and recover from it, you are at greater risk of getting it again. So that means if you spend more time in the sun, you are more at risk of getting it again. Same applies to injuries. If you tear you're MCL, you are at more risk then the average person to tear it again. You can SIGNIFICANTLY reduce that risk through physical therapy and exercise. Think Adrian Peterson - tore his ACL and worked like crazy on his rehab to build his knee to the point he destroyed the NFL. Functionally, his knee is perfect. Structurally, it is probably 99% healed (because half-lives tell us a structure never reaches 100% of its initial value) which means if he applies a force that exceeds 99% of the MCL structural integrity, it would re-tear. Again, the chances of that happening are low. The same applies to any fucking penis injury. If you injure your penis, you are at risk of re-injuring it again once you restore 100% functionality. It's logical and rational so people need to know that if they have injured there penis, they are at a higher risk for sustaining another injury. Its common sense.

but guys that have healed have restored most functionality from what Ive read


Maybe I should have worded this better. From what I've read, all guys that have gotten better have gotten their penis functionality back to 100%.


This is my last post ever on here and I don't think I could have explained that much better. That's how injuries work so if you are telling me I'm "misinformed" it clearly shows your lack of knowledge on the topic. Also, I posted what my urologist thought of hard flaccid being as a nerve injury - this is what he told me and he told me to rest and it should go away. If thats "misinforming" then so be it.

 

[HFrecovering]

gosh, this is senseless to argue on here, but clearly you are not informed about injury processes so I will explain because you think I am "dangerous" for posting stuff on here.

that's what healing is in a sense. when u injure something tho, it's never 100 percent the same

Healing of structures is different then the function of the structure. When you injure a structure, there is a healing time for that structure and then how that structure functions. Every structure heals at a different rate. Muscles take quicker then tendons, tendons quicker then vertebrae, etc. All structures heal in accordance to half-lives. A half-life is how much time it takes for something to reach half its initial value. e.g. the half life of a tendon ranges from around 1-3 months (some tendons take MUCH longer). This means 50% of the tissue damaged will be restored in that time.When that structure heals, it heals at a slightly weaker form because of scar tissue and other factors. Structurally, it is weaker then before. This is basic tissue mechanics. This sounds bad right? Well, not really because this is where physical rehab and function come into play. Next point.

but functionality can be restored to near 100 percent.

Functionality is how you can use that structure to perform tasks - when you damage a ligament ankle from a severe sprain, it can take up to a YEAR to structurally heal. You may be thinking if it takes up to a year to heal, why do some people get back into play after 1-2 months? Thats because they have INCREASED their functionality to a point in which they can perform daily tasks without pain or being bothered. Even though it is technically still structurally healing, a person can increase its functionality of their ankle by perform physical therapy exercises within the ankles capacity. Physical exercise increases the rate of recovery through improving functionality - the body heals at its own rate and the rate of healing depends on the structure injured

some thing u never full heal from tho...like cancer...there's always an increased chance u get it again.

This is 100%. You never actually "heal" from cancer - you recover from it and are always at risk for getting it again. If you get sun cancer and recover from it, you are at greater risk of getting it again. So that means if you spend more time in the sun, you are more at risk of getting it again. Same applies to injuries. If you tear you're MCL, you are at more risk then the average person to tear it again. You can SIGNIFICANTLY reduce that risk through physical therapy and exercise. Think Adrian Peterson - tore his ACL and worked like crazy on his rehab to build his knee to the point he destroyed the NFL. Functionally, his knee is perfect. Structurally, it is probably 99% healed (because half-lives tell us a structure never reaches 100% of its initial value) which means if he applies a force that exceeds 99% of the MCL structural integrity, it would re-tear. Again, the chances of that happening are low. The same applies to any fucking penis injury. If you injure your penis, you are at risk of re-injuring it again once you restore 100% functionality. It's logical and rational so people need to know that if they have injured there penis, they are at a higher risk for sustaining another injury. Its common sense.

but guys that have healed have restored most functionality from what Ive read


Maybe I should have worded this better. From what I've read, all guys that have gotten better have gotten their penis functionality back to 100%.


This is my last post ever on here and I don't think I could have explained that much better. That's how injuries work so if you are telling me I'm "misinformed" it clearly shows your lack of knowledge on the topic. Also, I posted what my urologist thought of hard flaccid being as a nerve injury - this is what he told me and he told me to rest and it should go away. If thats "misinforming" then so be it.

and il say it again...it is not an injury. it is a tension feedback loop caused by anxiety and personality issues. it is not a nerve injury, it is not a broken muscle, it is not peyronies. your urologist is wrong just like the majority of urologists, they are morons that know very little about the erection process, many people with HF that have now recoverd origonaly were diagnosed as peyronies, nerve damage, veinous leak etc. if you had nerve damage trust me you would know about it. you could do yourself good if you just accept what people are telling you it is. i know you are new to all this but i think you literally need to read this entire thread right from the start and see just how many people come out with the same stuff you do because they are freaking out.

 

[Thatbdd]

I masturbated last night for the first time in about 3 weeks and noticed a large knot of tension at the base on the CS/urethra side, with my whole scrotum very tight and pulled in/constricted. I had thinner girth aswell with tiny thin purple/reddish vessel almost all over, and my veins that are usually on the sides of my penis and are usually blue, where shrunken skinny and thin and also where reddish. Also had ejaculation that kinda felt like It burned when it came out.

Now what does that sound like to you guy's? because I'm about to be paying 1500 dollars to see this leading peyronies specialist in the country.

 

[m3232]

Hfrecovering. Mike cares not freaking out in the slightest and is definitely not dangerous. Hes totally on it.
You are talking sh*t mate.
Youre a moron.
What freaks people out the most,
a guy discussing his realtime recovery on the recovery thread with other guys in the same boat or recovered,
OR
A guy who had hf for ten years and had to totally transform in body and mind basically trancending humanity to cure his dick with a mystic skype guru who now makes a stack off his disciples?

 

[HFrecovering]

Hfrecovering. Mike cares not freaking out in the slightest and is definitely not dangerous. Hes totally on it.
You are talking sh*t mate.
Youre a moron.
What freaks people out the most,
a guy discussing his realtime recovery on the recovery thread with other guys in the same boat or recovered,
OR
A guy who had hf for ten years and had to totally transform in body and mind basically trancending humanity to cure his dick with a mystic skype guru who now makes a stack off his disciples?

so suggesting it is nerve damage and people will never be 100% healed is not dangerous? speechless

 

[m3232]

You can basically cure it with pe.
Read mental pe forum.
Its like voodoo version but less subjective.
In fact, you could call it
The objective

 

[m3232]

He was discussing it not being nerve damage

 

[HFrecovering]

You can basically cure it with pe.
Read mental pe forum.
Its like voodoo version but less subjective.
In fact, you could call it
The objective

i dont understand how doing TRE and RE is trancending humanity lol , maybe voodoo just comes across as spiritually aware because he is on a permanent high from unraveling the hell that was once his life.

 

[HFrecovering]

I masturbated last night for the first time in about 3 weeks and noticed a large knot of tension at the base on the CS/urethra side, with my whole scrotum very tight and pulled in/constricted. I had thinner girth aswell with tiny thin purple/reddish vessel almost all over, and my veins that are usually on the sides of my penis and are usually blue, where shrunken skinny and thin and also where reddish. Also had ejaculation that kinda felt like It burned when it came out.

Now what does that sound like to you guy's? because I'm about to be paying 1500 dollars to see this leading peyronies specialist in the country.

my advice is dont waste the money, you dont have peyronies.

 

[mikecares]

so suggesting it is nerve damage and people will never be 100% healed is not dangerous? speechless

I said nerve INJURY not nerve DAMAGE. injuries get better, damage rarely does. one is temporary, the other is possibly permanent. I don't know if I agree 100% that its nerve related, but who knows.

How is it a personality and anxiety problem when I suffered the HF from rubbing my dick too hard? How is it anxiety related when some pplz get it from jelqing too hard? maybe in chronic cases, but it's a trauma related issue. I was rubbing my dick to hard and then symptoms came on right after...how is it possibly anxiety and personality ?

And you clearly didn't understand my prior post about structure healing versus functional recovery...that is how the body works whether you like it or not.

 

[Thatbdd]

Well like ive always thought in my own opinion, is that this is some form of / or a beginning stage of peyronies since that can go on for many months/years in some men before becoming stable.

And since I have near identical symptoms to most everyone else here with "hard flaccid" or what ever the hell this is from all the reading and research ive done, il just see what the leading expert it peyronies it's self has to say.

So we'll see.

 

[m3232]

i dont understand how doing TRE and RE is trancending humanity lol , maybe voodoo just comes across as spiritually aware because he is on a permanent high from unraveling the hell that was once his life.

Yeah yeah mate. Yeah.
People need to see the rational middle ground,, standard guys who will just get through it or aready did. There are loads of guys who recovered from this, most do it in 3-4 months.


There is a traditional English proverb,
Dont make a drama out of a crisis.
This is how you make a little bit of post injury or fatigue 'turtling' into long term 'hf'

 

[closed113]

I can't believe the pettiness of bashing voodoo and obitoo and others. Voodoo put up videos of himself, shared so much of what he learned, and helped so many people. And they got over this. There is no magic behind any of it. The fact is the human body, and the mind, is highly complex and interconnected. It's operating at a cellular level all the time. The body can heal itself, it just takes time and a real dedication and committment to total health.

 

[HFrecovering]

I can't believe the pettiness of bashing voodoo and obitoo and others. Voodoo put up videos of himself, shared so much of what he learned, and helped so many people. And they got over this. There is no magic behind any of it. The fact is the human body, and the mind, is highly complex and interconnected. It's operating at a cellular level all the time. The body can heal itself, it just takes time and a real dedication and committment to total health.

completely agree, i dont know why i wastd my time posting here.

 

[m3232]

Im not bashing anyone you pair of imbeciles.

 

[m3232]

Dont know why I bother.
Why dont you skype mc coin.
Its cheap as chips

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Please keep it friendly on the threads. If you disagree fair enough, no need to get nasty.

Guys are coming here for help, just as guys are providing it. Keep it going by just providing what worked for you, or what you think worked, and let people apply what is relevant to them.