The Official Hard Flaccid Recovery Thread

[mikecares]

Been away from thread but have got some thing to report on and looking for advice. First off Vodoo is a very good guy, wanting to skype him, but need to schedule a time. Anyway, I was doing goo with my hard flaccid for like 2 weeks. I'm scheduling an appointment with a urologists for some general screenings to see if there could be an apparent cause to this issue other than thinking about it or pelvic floor issues.

I've concluded pelvic floor stretch, and yoga help. I was doing those and it seemed to make the issue go away. I was doing good until tonight...

I was applying lotion on my penis and it was not my lotion. It was a member of. Y households, and there was make up, or tanning cream in there and it started to give my penis hole/tip of head a tingling feeling. I never thought of what it could be until like 5 hours later to where I took a shower and the tingling stopped. I make have slightly bruised my tip cleaning it, beciase it is now sore that the tingling left.

That brings us to bow. I was sitting in bed with a heat pad on my pelvic floor and simply just touching/readjusting my penis. I took the hot pad off and kinda felt like I was getting a boner. Upon the motion of putting the heat pad on the ground, my hard flacid came back bad. Just as the night it originally came on alittle over a month ago right before I was going to masterbate.

During this mo th period, I have t had as much sex and as in the past. Just invade this hard flaccid was from damage. I have t done and PE for around 5 months, or at least any routine. I occasionsionly kegel, but in general try not to worry about that stuff beciase it can cause anxiety.

What are your guys' advice? Is there something I should do to make this co diction subside. I have also been having a few misc Pains near my butthole (haven't had this one for some time, like 3 weeks). Another area is in that tube that transports urine and stuff. Like if you would go directly up between where your shaft starts and your balls.and then under my shaft, under the glands. I had some dull pain there prior to the whole situation applying the lotion with contamination.

Again, any advice would be awesome.

Did you get it from an injury? Just keep abstaining and keep getting therapy until symptoms go away. It's really hard to give any other advice - seems like people have other symptoms going on as well. I, for example, only have hard flaccid and nothing else. some people have pain, tingling, etc. I got it from an injury (not from any PE exercises though) and went to a pelvic physio and they said my pelvic floor was not bad and nothing abnormal. I'm doing the exercises everyday and not sure if they are helping but will continue to do them.

If its a fresh injury, you just gotta give it time. A few months I'm guessing. I've noticed some improvement from abstaining.

 

[m3232]

Rarara. Mate.
Everyone is trying to help you.
You don't want help it seems more like you want to blame someone or something or you want sympathy or someone with the exact same fluctuating symptoms as you.
Yes I have posted on here a bit.
If you look through the'dumbshit' as you call it you will see that aside from my strange sense of humour im a guy who had a pretty serious injury (false penile fracture im sure you already googled that along with everything else).
I had it, I freaked out. I let it go.
I agree that penis stretching can seem dumb and I felt like right twat after exploding my dick but actually very light stretching and very relaxed light half kegals along with a gung ho mentality of 'it will be alright in the end and if its not alright its not the end.

Also you are assessing your porn induced 'on demand' erection.
It will not work.
Your primal erection still works.
It may be weak but it works.
Im going to repost something I posted to mikecares on what to expect from your penis in recovery.
If you think its dumb fair enough

 

[mikecares]

Rarara. Mate.
Everyone is trying to help you.
You don't want help it seems more like you want to blame someone or something or you want sympathy or someone with the exact same fluctuating symptoms as you.
Yes I have posted on here a bit.
If you look through the'dumbshit' as you call it you will see that aside from my strange sense of humour im a guy who had a pretty serious injury (false penile fracture im sure you already googled that along with everything else).
I had it, I freaked out. I let it go.
I agree that penis stretching can seem dumb and I felt like right twat after exploding my dick but actually very light stretching and very relaxed light half kegals along with a gung ho mentality of 'it will be alright in the end and if its not alright its not the end.

Also you are assessing your porn induced 'on demand' erection.
It will not work.
Your primal erection still works.
It may be weak but it works.
Im going to repost something I posted to mikecares on what to expect from your penis in recovery.
If you think its dumb fair enough

how long did u deal with hf? it's hard to believe it's anxiety related - so many Pplz got it from injuries and keep pounding through it; that's why I think ifa a chronic problem for pplz. it's like telling ppl with chronic back pain that its all in their head - pain comes from the brain but it's not psychological at all. the brain keeps outputting pain signals even when you are healed...exercise is the only wy to alleviate this pain if done appropriately and progressively. some pllz don't have pelvic dysfunction and still have hf (like myself).

 

[m3232]

I agree. Its very very hard to believe that its all in the head.
I had it three months. It went away after about six weeks but came back to haunt me for another month.
Thats the thing.
If you believe in ghosts you get haunted again and and again.

 

[m3232]

And I dont have pelvic floor dysfunction, that doesn't mean relaxing it wont improve the situation

 

[mikecares]

I agree. Its very very hard to believe that its all in the head.
I had it three months. It went away after about six weeks but came back to haunt me for another month.
Thats the thing.
If you believe in ghosts you get haunted again and and again.

ANd you just abstain for it to get better? did u notice weekly improvements as well? it's been 3 weeks and have only noticed a small improvement. I plan on abstaining for 12 weeks though. hormones are raging though and super horny lol

 

[casey1237]

Well, im 99% sure I have this condition now, alongside pelvic floor dysfunction itself, which appears to have been my 'cause' of HF. Again, im not really aware of all the details. I have no doubt there is a psychological component to all of this, aswell as a physical. A vicious cycle of sorts.

Problems started around two years ago after I went through a severe depressive/anxiety ridden episode with a close family member dying, aswell as being booted out of my education and being unable to find employment. I would essentially masturbate to porn to escape reality. At some point began using kegels during masturbation, without even being aware I was doing them. Just got into a horrible habit I guess. I can only presume this led too a pelvic floor dysfunction, the muscles being too tense. I show all the classic signs of PFD, problems excreting,involuntary muscle spasms after excretion, random pain in pelvic area. HF followed.

Going to the Doctors, getting all the neccesary scans done to rule out absolutely everything, although I expect to be reffered to a physiotherapist at some point after it becomes apparant its a muscle issue. If not I will just go private.

Voodoo is absolutely correct when he states that there is, for a lot of guys with this I imagine, a psychological component to it all. Certainly, if I never had a psychological disturbance, my problems would not of began, period. So I will be striving to live a healthier life, and get a healthier mind in the process, whilst doing all I can to improve the physical symptoms. For some guys, if it was a sudden onset of HF/PFD straight after a injury, I imagine it was a purely physical cause, but the panic/depression that set in after HF developed only compounds the problem.

Excuse my ramblings, just good to have a place to discuss this.

 

[Big Al]

Do you own this site? What steps are in place to make sure people are doing it safely? All i see is 400 pages of guys completely losing their minds, most of them probably because of the exercises on this website. As far as I can see no one affiliated with this site has done anything to help any of them in the past 4 years. It's really fucked up.

Every single person that I know of who's recovered has done so because of Obitto, I dread to think where I'd be if it wasn't for him, and he gets banned from here.

I do not own this site.

There are many specific sources on this site that offer instructions on how to train correctly and the specific warning as well as what to look for to head off injury, but to summarize:

1. Make sure that you have no pre-existing injuries before you decide to experiment with training

2. [Especially in the beginning] err on the side of caution when it comes to training volume and intensity. Male enhancement training isn't like other forms of physical training which requires pushing to the limits of tolerance and pain

3. If you suspect that you have an injury, it's recommended that you get it checked by a medical professional. If you don't want to go that route or if your experience with them have proven fruitless, then you'll need to actively research alternatives.

In my opinion your statement about nobody affiliated with this site helping out ("as far as I can see") is incorrect. In addition to the many warnings and advice given on how to get started training safely, threads like these can be helpful- as long as positive action is taken on the part of the injured.

In addition to the many members here, the moderators, admins, and staff are very helpful in answering questions and offering advice in this subforum and others- all of whom are affiliated with this site in some way.

I'm currently not aware of why Obitoo was banned, but it wasn't because he was being helpful.

I think that you have erred in jumping to conclusions and that you are advertently or inadvertently playing the "blame game" here. All that does is arouse anger- when we should be looking for more productive solutions and an emphasis on proper initial training procedures so that this can be prevented in the first place.

 

[topheavy]

I'm going to try to ensure that this is the last post I make on this forum. I just am trying to internalize and process all of this. I watched the last video voodoo and stevieee put up, and out of respect for their decision to leave all of this behind them and fully move on I do not want to contact either of them. But if anyone else happens to see this post and has made any progress with the tried and true methods, well, any assistance or simply advice regarding the mental aspect of this would be very, very appreciated.

I know exactly what I have to do to attempt to heal from this, but the one mental block will keep on hitting, even if I stick to all the physical exercise is that I legitimately hate myself. I started actually weeping when they said in the video that you have to be "confident in yourself" and "truly comfortable in your own skin"...because, there is just no way I can ever make that happen. As daunting as all the exercise and physical and emotional therapy seems, being comfortable within my own skin is probably insurmountable for me. That is where the road to being healed ends for me. I havee a deeper inferiority complex than any person I have ever encountered in my entire life. It is my identity.

I am facially ugly, lanky, scrawny as fuck, impotent and now fucking balding....
I have accomplished absolutely nothing in my life and am a serious source of shame to my entire family. I am constantly in fight or flight because I feel insanely vulnerable all the time, due to my weak, frail body and appearance. The healthy masculinity they were speaking of does not exist with this body. It isn't even an option. Even if I could fake any confidence, it is not congruent with my weak, doormat appearance, people would be able to see right through it or just call me delusional.

What the fuck did I do to deserve all this? I don't even have the hard flaccid problem really, more an injury like Voodoo had but without the constant HF, so I don't even know if I have been barking up the right tree searching for a cure with these methods. I don't even remember getting injured, just somewhere along the line became completely impotent. There was no moment like everyone else had, unless I mentally blocked it out. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise if you can somehow come out the other end, but for those of us who can't I think it is basically the death sentence. It seems like 1 in 500,000,000 people have to suffer with this, such as a small minority spread out across a few forums... if such detrimental sexual dysfunction was more prevalent it would be chaos.

I almost am truly hopeless now. I keep telling myself even if I did come out of this in a few years or whatever, best case scenario, I may a working penis, but I will still have no outlet for even using it. I am fucking beyond terrible with women. I accepted some time ago that prostitutes are my only source of intimacy, fake affection and human contact but I cant even enjoy that simple pleasure. The universe and mother nature is really trying to beat it into my head that I was not meant to reproduce.

Maybe I should look into hallucinogens or ayahuasca or LSD or something that could give me some insane trip or ego death to see if I can become a different person spiritually through that avenue or something because I am pretty much a lost cause without some miracle intervention.

 

[HFrecovering]

hey guys, i am not the biggest fan of this forums or this thread in particular but it 100% has been beneficial for the HF problem, its just all the panicing from newcomers and such that i dont think is helpful, ive viewed this thread on and off for a few years now but never decided to make an account because i didnt see any point.

a little about myself, ive had hf/pelvic floor issues for about 5 years now, i am not HF noob, im well aware of what it is, voodoo, obitoo and stevie are basically the only people that speak the truth about this condition. anyone else is usually 100% bullshit caused by fear and speculation. it is an anxiety disorder on the highest level, i would even go as far as to say it is a form of PTSD.

after viewing voodoos video im now feeling more confident and ready to approach this from a different perspective, ive started TRE and im booking an appointment with david mccoid in person for restorative exercises.

the main reason i made an account on here anyway is i feel the fact that voodoo and stevie were able to support each other really helped theyre recovery, if anyone wants to buddy up on approaching this whole thing with a clean slate then get in contact with me (preferably living in the uk) we can chat over whatsapp or maybe on the phone.since watching voodoos last video i really feel like i see the bigger picture with this whole thing, his last video woke me up on how ive been going wrong with this the whole time, it was like a moment of clarity.

so yeah if anyone wants to partner up and attempt voodoo and stevies method on becoming better mentally and physically then let me know.

 

[mikecares]

hey guys, i am not the biggest fan of this forums or this thread in particular but it 100% has been beneficial for the HF problem, its just all the panicing from newcomers and such that i dont think is helpful, ive viewed this thread on and off for a few years now but never decided to make an account because i didnt see any point.

a little about myself, ive had hf/pelvic floor issues for about 5 years now, i am not HF noob, im well aware of what it is, voodoo, obitoo and stevie are basically the only people that speak the truth about this condition. anyone else is usually 100% bullshit caused by fear and speculation. it is an anxiety disorder on the highest level, i would even go as far as to say it is a form of PTSD.

after viewing voodoos video im now feeling more confident and ready to approach this from a different perspective, ive started TRE and im booking an appointment with david mccoid in person for restorative exercises.

the main reason i made an account on here anyway is i feel the fact that voodoo and stevie were able to support each other really helped theyre recovery, if anyone wants to buddy up on approaching this whole thing with a clean slate then get in contact with me (preferably living in the uk) we can chat over whatsapp or maybe on the phone.since watching voodoos last video i really feel like i see the bigger picture with this whole thing, his last video woke me up on how ive been going wrong with this the whole time, it was like a moment of clarity.

so yeah if anyone wants to partner up and attempt voodoo and stevies method on becoming better mentally and physically then let me know.

How can you say its 100% anxiety related? some people get it through PE injuries and it sticks because they never let it initially heal. In my case, I find anxiety plays no role in my symptoms. There are times I'm stressed and my dick is soft and other times I'm relaxed and happy and my flaccid is hard. I've only had it for 3 weeks, but its clearly physically related in people who sustain it through PE. I've had pelvic physios tell me my pelvic floor was normal and had normal tension. Hard flaccid is likely caused by multiple things - trauma in some people (they have it chronically because they probably never let it heal), excessive pelvic floor tension (this is likely in people that have poor posture and excessive stress in the pelvic floor), etc.

 

[HFrecovering]

How can you say its 100% anxiety related? some people get it through PE injuries and it sticks because they never let it initially heal. In my case, I find anxiety plays no role in my symptoms. There are times I'm stressed and my dick is soft and other times I'm relaxed and happy and my flaccid is hard. I've only had it for 3 weeks, but its clearly physically related in people who sustain it through PE. I've had pelvic physios tell me my pelvic floor was normal and had normal tension. Hard flaccid is likely caused by multiple things - trauma in some people (they have it chronically because they probably never let it heal), excessive pelvic floor tension (this is likely in people that have poor posture and excessive stress in the pelvic floor), etc.

i mean this in the nicest way possible so dont take it the wrong way. you are at the beginning stages of this, you really dont know what you are talking about, you are in freakout mode and are speculateing. do yourself a favour and trust what people are telling you. you are only 3 weeks into this, you have a much much higher chance of coming out of this than somone thats had it for years. all you have to do is calm down and dont let it bother you, much easier said than done i know. i am by no means an expert on this but ive been following the HF forums and these forums for years. every single case of somone recovering is from them fixing the mental state they are in. and like i said....you have had it for 3 weeks, if you calm down i would bet you can get over this much faster than somone thats had it for years

 

[closed113]

how long did u deal with hf? it's hard to believe it's anxiety related - so many Pplz got it from injuries and keep pounding through it; that's why I think ifa a chronic problem for pplz. it's like telling ppl with chronic back pain that its all in their head - pain comes from the brain but it's not psychological at all. the brain keeps outputting pain signals even when you are healed...exercise is the only wy to alleviate this pain if done appropriately and progressively. some pllz don't have pelvic dysfunction and still have hf (like myself).

For anybody who thinks this, read Healing Back Bain: The Mind Body Connection, by Sarno. I've been recovering HF for 20 months. And this forum just keeps going around in circles. I don't want to start a debate. But, my symptoms are constantly improving. What Voodoo has said is true. There is no shorcuts really. It's all about setting a goal and sticking with it indefinetely. That goal will be that you're doing everything in your power to improve yourself at every level.

 

[closed113]

I'm going to try to ensure that this is the last post I make on this forum. I just am trying to internalize and process all of this. I watched the last video voodoo and stevieee put up, and out of respect for their decision to leave all of this behind them and fully move on I do not want to contact either of them. But if anyone else happens to see this post and has made any progress with the tried and true methods, well, any assistance or simply advice regarding the mental aspect of this would be very, very appreciated.

I know exactly what I have to do to attempt to heal from this, but the one mental block will keep on hitting, even if I stick to all the physical exercise is that I legitimately hate myself. I started actually weeping when they said in the video that you have to be "confident in yourself" and "truly comfortable in your own skin"...because, there is just no way I can ever make that happen. As daunting as all the exercise and physical and emotional therapy seems, being comfortable within my own skin is probably insurmountable for me. That is where the road to being healed ends for me. I havee a deeper inferiority complex than any person I have ever encountered in my entire life. It is my identity.

I am facially ugly, lanky, scrawny as fuck, impotent and now fucking balding....
I have accomplished absolutely nothing in my life and am a serious source of shame to my entire family. I am constantly in fight or flight because I feel insanely vulnerable all the time, due to my weak, frail body and appearance. The healthy masculinity they were speaking of does not exist with this body. It isn't even an option. Even if I could fake any confidence, it is not congruent with my weak, doormat appearance, people would be able to see right through it or just call me delusional.

What the fuck did I do to deserve all this? I don't even have the hard flaccid problem really, more an injury like Voodoo had but without the constant HF, so I don't even know if I have been barking up the right tree searching for a cure with these methods. I don't even remember getting injured, just somewhere along the line became completely impotent. There was no moment like everyone else had, unless I mentally blocked it out. Maybe this is a blessing in disguise if you can somehow come out the other end, but for those of us who can't I think it is basically the death sentence. It seems like 1 in 500,000,000 people have to suffer with this, such as a small minority spread out across a few forums... if such detrimental sexual dysfunction was more prevalent it would be chaos.

I almost am truly hopeless now. I keep telling myself even if I did come out of this in a few years or whatever, best case scenario, I may a working penis, but I will still have no outlet for even using it. I am fucking beyond terrible with women. I accepted some time ago that prostitutes are my only source of intimacy, fake affection and human contact but I cant even enjoy that simple pleasure. The universe and mother nature is really trying to beat it into my head that I was not meant to reproduce.

Maybe I should look into hallucinogens or ayahuasca or LSD or something that could give me some insane trip or ego death to see if I can become a different person spiritually through that avenue or something because I am pretty much a lost cause without some miracle intervention.

Dude, you're psyching yourself out. You need to take action. This is classic anxiety and catastrophic thinking. Go to the doctor and tell them you have anxiety/depression for a long time. There is group therapy. CBT is great, if you can get into that. It really helped me see what my anxiety was. As far as drugs, there are medications for anxiety. But be careful, because some of them have bad side effects.

 

[m3232]

[QUOTEundr;1092609]For anybody who thinks this, read Healing Back Bain: The Mind Body Connection, by Sarno. I've been recovering HF for 20 months. And this forum just keeps going around in circles. I don't want to start a debate. But, my symptoms are constantly improving. What Voodoo has said is true. There is no shorcuts really. It's all about setting a goal and sticking with it indefinetely. That goal will be that you're doing everything in your power to improve yourself at every level.[/QUOTE]

20 months?
No short cut?
While youre all obviously tryin to help, Its guys like you, voodoo, steviee and oobitoo who are the main contributors to 'chronic' hard flaccid hysteria.
What long term guys seem to do is build a fucking mythology around their recovery to justify the duration of their condition.

 

[stevieeee]

20 months?
No short cut?
While youre all obviously tryin to help, Its guys like you, voodoo, steviee and oobitoo who are the main contributors to 'chronic' hard flaccid hysteria.
What long term guys seem to do is build a fucking mythology around their recovery to justify the duration of their condition.[/QUOTE]

Haha you're funny dude, I had hf and pelvic pain for a year. I no longer have it, im having great sex, working out, and living life. I came back here to hopefully help some guys but this forum is lost. And "hard flaccid hysteria" ... Funny. I applaud you for your very well thought out comments. The so called "hysteria" we created has helped plenty of guys get out of this. I honestly think you still have hf judging by your posts m3232 . And there's no mythology dude. I had it for a year and never thought I was going to recover. Changed my mindset and what do you know. It's guys like you who flip the script and go back to the early days of the forum. All you guys just need to chill out. I honestly believe this forum should be locked or whatever it's called lol. Out of respect of the owners and moderators and forums, thank you for allowing us to contribute to helping guys get out of this mess. And big al , your input has been extremely valuable. This is my last post on here and I'm done. I wish you all the best and know you all will recover. Best of luck gentZ

 

[m3232]

Steviee just said it himself in that last post.
After a year if it:
'Changed my mindset and what do you know'
And no shteevie, I dont still have hf.
You guys in the 1 year plus club obviously know much better than guys like me and loads of others in here who shook it off in a couple of month.
You have created and reinforced the great dramatic mythology of the self fulfilling prophecy that is known as hf.

 

[ENTH]

Whoa. This is getting a bit silly. Youve got to remember no matter how long people have had this or whatever the intentions of Steviee, Voodoo etc is only good, its clear. I know what youre saying that you feel that more has been made of the whole thing than necessary but come on.. Theres probably a lot or scared guys reading all this so best to keep vibes positive in my opinion. Ive had it 5 months and its rocked me no end..But im slowly getting better even though its frustrating a lot of the time and theres an underlying sense of being fearful of being stuck..

Underneath all the detail the message is stay on the level.. I wish this passes for everyone, in the meantime live as best as you can until it fades away.. Your recoveries are what gives hope to others.. I compulsively check this place and i bet many others do.. So I reckon keep it civil.. My two cents.

 

[HFrecovering]

Steviee just said it himself in that last post.
After a year if it:
'Changed my mindset and what do you know'
And no shteevie, I dont still have hf.
You guys in the 1 year plus club obviously know much better than guys like me and loads of others in here who shook it off in a couple of month.
You have created and reinforced the great dramatic mythology of the self fulfilling prophecy that is known as hf.

i really didnt want to fall into the trap of posting here reguarly but i cant help but feel you are being extremely negative, i dont see you giving anyone any good advice. stevie, voodoo and others are helping people and inspiring them, if you actually did your research they didnt spend years getting better, they spent a long time in panic mode, not doing anything beneficial only worsening the issue, they then started trying new things and made dramatic improvements fairly quickly.

 

[OntheRoad]

Hi Guys,

Long time suffer here (7+ years - age 26 - probably had it longer but didn't realise - I had no pain). Just thought I'd comment on this thread. I don't want to get involved in any of the fights but all I can say is that I've been doing restorative exercise with David for the last month and a half and I've already seen dramatic improvements.

Obviously with all the quacks around and past experience I was slightly apprehensive but living in the UK I've met with him in person several times and I can tell you that this guy is not only genuine and easy to talk to but has been through this and understands what everyone is going through.

I've done it all - Bikram Yoga (religiously), Mindfulness, Herbal Supplements (including the Dr. Lin - stay well away from that guy if he's still going), Chiropractors, Trigger Points, Meditation, Drugs etc etc. I have made far and away the most progress with David. I've been getting morning wood for the first time in years, I had GOOD sex without any form of pharmaceutical assistance last weekend. My penis is noticeably warmer and more spongey, I am unquestionably on the road to recovery. So if anyone is reading this and has any doubts - please give it a go. And if you do try out R.E go for it with everything you've got, it might take you longer than me, it might even be shorter but if you give it your all and it doesn't work out then at least you tried your hardest and can box that one off.

I haven't read through this whole gigantic thread, I try and stay away from these forums whenever I am working on something new as they aren't good for stress levels but from the immediately above I can see there's some kind of crusade going on about the root cause of this. Obviously there is a mental aspect, I've read recovery storys and thought yeah that's great but I don't have X symptom so this won't work for me (I even thought that when I saw Stevees original post on the HF forum) and I've been to Mindfulness courses and identified my negative thought processes. But I recognised that although the mental anxiety does not help, this is primarily a physical problem - at least for me.

So if you are not really getting anywhere, I'd recommend giving David a try. I hesitate to say it WILL 100% get you better because maybe there are multiple root causes for this affliction but it's working for me.

Also guys I'd recommend reading "The obstacle is the way" by Ryan Holiday for motivation and not feeling so bad about yourself. Recovery is possible and more and more people are starting to get better now. Where we a few years ago? I hadn't heard of anyone getting better, from the guys at HF to David, Stevee and Voodoo we are finding that it's possible now so don't give up hope guys. Like I didn't think I could ever see myself posting something like this.

Thanks to Steviee and Voodoo, I was a lurker on the HF forum and if you guys hadn't posted David's details I would probably be very much stuck in a rut. Thanks to the creators of the HF forum /PE Gym as if it wasn't for you guys I would probably still have no idea what this is and that you can get better, despite doctors/urologist advice and would be in an incredibly dark place, if even here at all. And most of all thanks to David McCoid (and by extension Katy Bowman) for getting me back on track.

I don't plan on posting here again so all the best guys! Good luck.