Unlicensed gun carry laws

[CUSP82]

Do you think it may have been different if those poor people in Israel who where slaughtered by those animals were armed?

 

[not2big]

Seems juries are not infalable. Accordingly, the percentage of unnecessary committed for executions (13% of those able to make an appeal) would suggest that execution is not an appropriate sentence. Life in prison can sometimes be more of a deterrent And allow the innocent to appeal.

 

[BigO]

Do you think it may have been different if those poor people in Israel who where slaughtered by those animals were armed?

Probably, but they like to shoot people for throwing rocks. We should send all of them fully automatic weapons. Israel and Palestine.

Let them go at it and get it over with

 

[not2big]

I agree.

 

[Johnny D]

We go from top 10 in the world in gun violence to around 124th if we took guns out of 5 major cities.

Remove suicide from the numbers and we might drop down the list even further.

 

[not2big]

Remove suicide from the numbers and we might drop down the list even further.

Suicide using a gun is a violent death caused by using a gun which is gun violence.

 

[CUSP82]

So how's that Fla law you hate working out?

 

[not2big]

So how's that Fla law you hate working out?

Following the violent murder of three blacks in Jacksonville, The grief and outrage over the shooting may have resulted in the survey conducted earlier this year by the University of North Florida’s Public Opinion Research Lab showed 77% of Florida voters, including 62% of Republicans, do not support permitless carry.

 

[BigO]

Doesn't matter what they support. According to the constitution it should be

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

To make it constitutional, they need an ammendment which is actually a process with several steps.

Right now, any state that hinders gun ownership in any way is going against the constitutional rights of their citizens.

I carry every day and if they say I can't, then I will inly carry every day.

 

[BigO]

Suicide using a gun is a violent death caused by using a gun which is gun violence.

We have a few jumpers a year where I live. Maybe they should ban our bridge

 

[not2big]

In 2021, the last year complete date became available, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328). How do bridge jumpers compare?

We require licenses to drive a car, yet In 2022, 42,700 people died from automobile accidents. Maybe we should loosen the driving license regulations so less people are deprived of their rights.

 

[CUSP82]

Do you really think everyone on the road has a license?

 

[Johnny D]

Suicide using a gun is a violent death caused by using a gun which is gun violence.

Use whatever words you want. Let’s stop citing violent gun deaths, then. Let’s only discuss homicide and leave suicide out of the numbers so we can paint a more meaningful picture.

In 2021, the last year complete date became available, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328). How do bridge jumpers compare?

We require licenses to drive a car, yet In 2022, 42,700 people died from automobile accidents. Maybe we should loosen the driving license regulations so less people are deprived of their rights.

Where did you get the impression that anyone has a right to drive a car?

 

[akaTrex]

Suicide using a gun is a violent death caused by using a gun which is gun violence.

As someone who’s father committed suicide, my dad used a tool. A Gun.
I use that same tool every week in competition.
Additionally, I have also used that same tool to thwart a robbery.

Remember a 22, 38, 357, 9mm, 40, and 44, are all faster than calling 911!

 

[not2big]

According to the Supreme Court, “The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

By eliminating gun suicides, is a convenient way to obviate the total number of deaths caused by guns.

my son is in law enforcement and carries a gun daily, but when he comes home he has been trained to keep it locked up so as not to let it come into the hands of the untrained. Licensing for gun ownership accomplishes a similar result.

 

[Johnny D]

According to the Supreme Court, “The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

Not quite. That was a state case in Virginia, not "The Supreme Court". It's very old and remains a widely debated topic. Just because the state of Virginia referred to it as a "common right" many decades ago, doesn't give us all the Constitutional right to drive. You're conflating the two. (Funny enough... You're using an argument that most people use to claim a driver's license can't be mandated, to make your argument that gun licensing should be.) The US Constitution, on the other hand, guarantees the right to bear arms without infringement.

By eliminating gun suicides, is a convenient way to obviate the total number of deaths caused by guns.

"Caused by"??? Really?! The gun caused the death?
And if a person wants to die, that's their decision to make. Adding those numbers to gun violence is a convenient way to confuse the true issues.

 

[CUSP82]

A simple question; do the people committing most of the gun crimes are their guns even legal?

 

[not2big]

Although most mass shootings involved legally attained guns, the majority of crimes related to the use of guns were committed by people who illegally posessed the gun.

 

[Johnny D]

Yep. You're not going to affect the number of gun-related homicides in any meaningful way through training, given that fact.

Also, why differentiate between mass shootings and other gun homicides? If you eliminate all mass shootings, you've hardly moved the needle on gun deaths. If the goal is to reduce gun-related homicides, focusing on mass shootings at the expense of the rights of law-abiding gun owners, isn't accomplishing much at all. And take a close look at the specifics of mass shooting events (however you want to define an event) and see how many of them would have been any different if gun owners were required to be trained.

 

[CUSP82]

I think the goal of this thread is to degrade gun owners and in a way make them feel responsible for gun deaths. We will ignore the real causes of gun violence because it doesn't fit the narrative.
Oh I forgot; this thread was also started because someone doesn't like the governor of Fla.