Ultra low intensity and still negative PIs!?

[Big Tom]

The problem I am having is really hindering my PE. I just can't find the right intensity. Even at very low intensites I experience negative PIs (mostly turtling and low EQ). For example, my usual session consists of:

15 min warm up with hot water bottle
40 jelqs (extrememly loose grip and lots of lube)
15 mins warm down

Even after this I still experience negative PIs. How is this possible? Am I just not able to PE?

Can anyone give me any suggestions?

 

[vulcan]

Hi Big Tom, Just a thought but maybe a reaction to the amount of warmth being used ~ total 30 mins.

I think Big Al advocates much shorter warm-ups (more like 6 or 7 mins) - *don't quote me on this but I think I am right.

I have been doing this length of warm-up & find it better, I might do more time if I am doing a girth session including squeezes. I have never warmed down.

Peoples opinions on warm-up/cool down etc vary quite a bit. Like I say just a thought.

 

[Big Tom]

Hmmm, I must admit, the heat is intense, and after a while I do turtle because of it. You just might be onto something there. Ill bear that in mind. Thanks mate.

Any more help or suggestions would be very appreciated.

 

[meebo411]

not even. as we all know big al is very expirenced in what he does as im just a noob, but come on. its just commen sense, Longer warm up = more time for every blood vessel to expand at its fullest = more blood flow to the penis = more electasity which = LESS WAY OF AN INJURY/ NEG PI'S. I feel the way you warm up ruins it all because i tried that method and all it made me do was turtle. if you just take a towel warm it up for 20 minutes and re warm it every 5 minutes trust me you will understand what im getting at. its just patience is what kills us. we are so looking forward to getting that huge penis so we try to hurry to the exercies that we forget to actually warm up the penis.

ALSO the best way i feel to get as much blood flow to the penis is possible is by sitting down doing this warm up.

i was in class the other day, getting lazy so i was slouching in my chair and i realized that as i stayed slouched in that poistion for a litte bit my penis naturally expanded its flaccid state way lower then it usually is when im standing up. So what i do is i incorporiate that "slouch" with my warm up. all you need is that privacy to just sit on a couch lay back and your golden.

try it out!

 

[Big Tom]

But Big Al says that a shorter warmp up is better (around 6/7 mins).

 

[vulcan]

I think Big Al refers to exhausting the penis via warming up too long & I think I know what he means.

Sometimes when I have warmed up > 10 mins, my dick seems harder to work with & the session is perhaps less effective.

We all agree that warm-ups are important, but it is an area to experiment with because it doesn't necessarily follow that 'more is better' IMO.

 

[Big Tom]

I agree vulcan, and your advice is invaluable to me. Thank you.

What Big Al says about excessive heat causing fatigue makes perfect sense to me as it does seem to happen to me. I just always thought that a longer warm up was better. I suppose it varies from person to person and depends on your warm up method and thickness of skin.

 

[aidan784]

Tom, no offence meant to the rest in this thread, but you've been here for longer than us and so likely have more PE experience than us.

What routines/exercises have you done? I suspect you've had quite a break from PE so from that we might be able to offer more insight.

 

[wind chill]

Big Tom i am asumming you have a sensitive penis.You might wanna try 1 on 1 off shedule and see how it works for you.

 

[Big Tom]

I do a 1 on 2 off!

 

[aidan784]

Sorry mate, pissed posting last night. Turtling could possibly be attributed to cold weather over here but if it's constant then there's obviously something more at play.

Have you used routines before with success in terms of PI's and/or gains?

There's something on thunder's I'll look for about 'true EQ drop', it suggests that only if something goes wrong in all the categories it talks about then that's when it's true loss of EQ.

Do you kegel?

How long does it take for your negative PI's to return to normal?

 

[diesel121]

Vulcan is right...Big Al suggests a shorter warmup. When I had initially signed up for me coach, I was regularly doing 15 minute warm ups before any of my exercises. The first thing Big Al mentioned was that my warm up was entirely too long. He suggested a shorter warm up of seven minutes. You mentioned a few posts back that you turtle during your 15 minute session.....Perhaps you should cut that warm up down and see what happens. Just a thought


*diesel

 

[TurtleProblems]

15 minute shower is about the best you can do, go in with a semi. If that low amount is giving you negative pis, then perhaps you were worn out before you started your routine, just a thought. I would take a couple weeks off (no sex, masturbation only ejaculate once a week) then start back with exactly what you were doing, and see how it goes from there.

 

[Going411x7]

There must be something else at work here, Tom. Just my thoughts on this. Of course, if the warm-up is causing your cock to turtle, this is no good. My long (hot water wrap) worked for me--maybe because I have a large penis. Or maybe it was because of my age. I do know it took me about 15 minutes or longer of reapplying the hot washcloth to get my dick at 50 % erection so I could start my jelqing routine. I took my good, sweet time with this because I did not want to cause any injury. I don't think you need this long a warm-up if you start with stretching. I always started with jelqing. Could this be the difference?

 

[Big Tom]

Sorry mate, pissed posting last night. Turtling could possibly be attributed to cold weather over here but if it's constant then there's obviously something more at play.

Have you used routines before with success in terms of PI's and/or gains?

There's something on thunder's I'll look for about 'true EQ drop', it suggests that only if something goes wrong in all the categories it talks about then that's when it's true loss of EQ.

Do you kegel?

How long does it take for your negative PI's to return to normal?

Thanks for reply everyone. Aidan, I have had great PIs after some sessions but rarely. A few weeks ago I did a really light session and got great PIs, I had two days rest, did exactly the same, and my cock got injured. I just can't understand it. I did excatly the same, I made sure of it.

Thank for looking on thunders forums. You found anything about the PI thing yet?

I have kegeled in past but what happens is my cock is still fatigued and so I still dont see any rise in EQ.

PIs take about a week to go back to normal.

A few people have mentioned a shorter warm up. I think this could be a good idea because after I warm up for 15 mins my cock turtles, but 5 mins into the warm up it looks healthy.

 

[aidan784]

Thanks for reply everyone. Aidan, I have had great PIs after some sessions but rarely. A few weeks ago I did a really light session and got great PIs, I had two days rest, did exactly the same, and my cock got injured. I just can't understand it. I did excatly the same, I made sure of it.

Thank for looking on thunders forums. You found anything about the PI thing yet?

I have kegeled in past but what happens is my cock is still fatigued and so I still dont see any rise in EQ.

PIs take about a week to go back to normal.

A few people have mentioned a shorter warm up. I think this could be a good idea because after I warm up for 15 mins my cock turtles, but 5 mins into the warm up it looks healthy.

Sorry Tom, this is the thread I meant:

www.thundersplace.org/forum/showthread.php?t=90302

Well it may be worth giving the shorter warm-up thing a go obviously.

This next link was a guy who did really little and gained steadily, it might be worth looking over this and his other posts. Actually after looking over the OP is does look like it may be quite helpful. Just some suggestions anyway fella. Good luck.

www.pegym.com/forums/progress-forum/5245-livin-lifes-steady-lenght-girth-gains.html

 

[Going411x7]

Hope the shorter warm-up is the answer, Tom.

 

[DryJelq]

Sounds to me like you aren't jelqing properly. Don't squeeze down all the way. Hold your dick like an egg shell when you jelq. Go really slow and squeeze down just enough to push some blood around. Remember you are stretching your penis lengthwise and circumference-wise.

It's like stretching your muscles. Don't force anything. Just go easy. Anyway, I would recommend a couple sessions of just edging. The goal is to keep your dick as hard as possible for 10-20 min. Don't focus so much on MOs, those are great. But if you mess up and cum, then your session ends.

 

[Big Tom]

Thanks for the links aiden, very interesting, thank for your advice everyone.

 

[kingpole]

Thanks for the links aiden, very interesting, thank for your advice everyone.

Are you taking a lot of NSAIDS such as aspirin, ibuprofin, tylenol?