Tunica Differences

[jockinthebox]

I wouldn't attempt to correlate the ease of erection with the variabilities between tunicae- unless perhaps if you're at the extreme low end of the EQ spectrum. EQ is more of a function of other factors.

OK, AL, I understand the EQ being different factors, but what about the differences in tunicas 1,2,3, and Shower vs grower and fast gainer vs slow? Is there any correlation there?

 

[jockinthebox]

Bumping this thread for Big AL (still online?)

 

[Big Al]

OK, AL, I understand the EQ being different factors, but what about the differences in tunicas 1,2,3, and Shower vs grower and fast gainer vs slow? Is there any correlation there?

Surely there might be, but that's only if all other things are equal. An example- there could be differences in tunicae thickness. Without any real data all we're doing is speculating wildly.

 

[closed224]

Wild speculation is what I am known for

 

[jockinthebox]

It might make an interesting POLL to evaluate among the members here if some of the key attributes of showers are shared with easy gainers and likewise if growers are more hard gainers on both girth as well as length and growers have stronger rock-hard erections vs showers erections being more flexible or meallable. Anyone think this POLL might have some merit?

EDIT NOTE: No intention here of stealing any thunder from lilbigman on this, since he put together the original idea on this theory. I think it's just extremely interesting that there could be some significant correlation amongst the attributes of fast gainers vs hard gainers. Lilbigman should be the one to put the criteria together for the POLL if he's interested in seeing the results (as I would be). I'm willing to help!

 

[lilbigman]

Surely there might be, but that's only if all other things are equal. An example- there could be differences in tunicae thickness. Without any real data all we're doing is speculating wildly.

Yes, this is the biggest problem I have with this theory. Not only are there different layers, but who is to say all layers are equal in thickness. Let's say 1 man has only 1, but it is very thick, then another man has 2, but are very thin. There may not be any noticeable differences between the two of them then. However thin 1 vs. thick 3 should be clearly different and identifiable I think.

Hey here's an idea. Perhaps if some research was done and through analysis and cross referencing one could devise a chart that a person could compare with to give them a hypothesis on weather they would be a hard or easy gainer? It could be named the lil big chart?! Hey, I could be famous!! People would be shouting my name in the streets!! :becky:

 

[kickinthemebs]

Okay, I looked back 13 pages in the poll forum to see if I could find similar polls or polls that might help you to further talk about these correlations but I couldn't really find any. So there might be a use for some poll threads like this.

These might help you to hypothesize a little more:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/poll-forum/8349-poll-early-gains-eq-please-everyone-participate.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/poll-forum/1812-poll-time-penis-size-poll.html

 

[jockinthebox]

Okay, I looked back 13 pages in the poll forum to see if I could find similar polls or polls that might help you to further talk about these correlations but I couldn't really find any. So there might be a use for some poll threads like this.

These might help you to hypothesize a little more:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/poll-forum/8349-poll-early-gains-eq-please-everyone-participate.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/poll-forum/1812-poll-time-penis-size-poll.html

Thanks, Mebs, lbm & I are messaging about some criteria for starting a poll on this topic right now. Everyone is invited to offer their ideas, so please everyone get involved to yeild the best results. Currently thinking about two seperate polls one for "Hard gainers" & one for "easy gainers" with some seperate variables.

 

[kickinthemebs]

Yup, cool, good ideas guys. Spend a bit of time thinking about the polls and what type of information you would like to yield from it. It could be greatly beneficial for PE if a lot of people reply and some interesting stats are observed. Sometimes thread partnerships are great, you get ideas and inspiration from each other and the workload isn't as daunting either. Reps for both of you

 

[lilbigman]

Yup, cool, good ideas guys. Spend a bit of time thinking about the polls and what type of information you would like to yield from it. It could be greatly beneficial for PE if a lot of people reply and some interesting stats are observed. Sometimes thread partnerships are great, you get ideas and inspiration from each other and the workload isn't as daunting either. Reps for both of you

Thank you kickinthemebs, it means a lot to have your support and encouragement.

 

[jockinthebox]

Thanks, Mebs! We're giving a lot of thought trying to set up the variables to yield the best info for the gym-may take a day or two. If you have any further suggestions, please offer them up! Thanks for the REP!...means a lot from a super mod/veteran!

 

[lilbigman]

I wouldn't attempt to correlate the ease of erection with the variabilities between tunicae- unless perhaps if you're at the extreme low end of the EQ spectrum. EQ is more of a function of other factors.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to correlate ease of erection. I'm trying to correlate type of erection, or firmness. The difference being one is hard, but malleable and more easily expandable. The other is rock hard solid and does not expand easily.

 

[Big Al]

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to correlate ease of erection. I'm trying to correlate type of erection, or firmness. The difference being one is hard, but malleable and more easily expandable. The other is rock hard solid and does not expand easily.

Even that could be explained by different things, though there might be some logic to how different a penis with one tunica would react to one with multiple layers. An example- some men note that their erect lengths are slightly smaller than their slightly less-than erect lengths. This could be explained by them not having a longitudinal layer that "guides" the penis into greater length.

Again, this is just speculation

 

[Big Al]

Yes, this is the biggest problem I have with this theory. Not only are there different layers, but who is to say all layers are equal in thickness. Let's say 1 man has only 1, but it is very thick, then another man has 2, but are very thin. There may not be any noticeable differences between the two of them then. However thin 1 vs. thick 3 should be clearly different and identifiable I think.

Hey here's an idea. Perhaps if some research was done and through analysis and cross referencing one could devise a chart that a person could compare with to give them a hypothesis on weather they would be a hard or easy gainer? It could be named the lil big chart?! Hey, I could be famous!! People would be shouting my name in the streets!! :becky:

Yes There are layers of fascia with latitudinal bands, and others with longitudinal bands. The post I made immediately previous to this one discusses how that might make a difference in other ways.

 

[lilbigman]

Yes There are layers of fascia with latitudinal bands, and others with longitudinal bands. The post I made immediately previous to this one discusses how that might make a difference in other ways.

I absolutely agree with your statements. It's funny because I had already drawn some of these conclusions awhile back. Even to the point of switching entirely from my girth. Girth is what I want and am most concerned with gaining. I have managed to gain 1/4" with a heavy girth routine in 1 yrs. time. I incidentally gained 1/4" length as well, but those are including newbie gains. I really didn't get much of any newbie gains. When I look at the long term I can't complain, but I wanted to speed up the process. This got me thinking of why I can't seem to gain very fast. Why can't I get my dick to expand? It's like a rock, especially when I am 100% hard. I mean if I hard kegal and squeeze at 100% I will gain 0. However if I am at 90% I get 1/4" expansion. So I started looking at my tunica being my limiting factor, because I thought of the bycicle tube and tire idea. Now as we know as far as documented medical studies, the tunica has 2 layers, and like you said running latitudinaly, and one longitudinally. So
my deduction was, they should be targeted separately. So I began hanging about a month and a half ago because my theory was (is) that if I stretch the first layer or longitudinal fibers. That would thin out and weaken the tunica, thereby making it easier to gain girth. I can then work the 2nd layer or latitudinal fibers easier and will be able to gain quicker and easier in the long term. That is why I find this thread so interesting that this pops up at this time, as it confirms many of my original thoughts and theory's. Obviously I believe in it, I'm betting on it after all, I am "hanging" here for girth as I type this.

 

[Big Al]

I absolutely agree with your statements. It's funny because I had already drawn some of these conclusions awhile back. Even to the point of switching entirely from my girth. Girth is what I want and am most concerned with gaining. I have managed to gain 1/4" with a heavy girth routine in 1 yrs. time. I incidentally gained 1/4" length as well, but those are including newbie gains. I really didn't get much of any newbie gains. When I look at the long term I can't complain, but I wanted to speed up the process. This got me thinking of why I can't seem to gain very fast. Why can't I get my dick to expand? It's like a rock, especially when I am 100% hard. I mean if I hard kegal and squeeze at 100% I will gain 0. However if I am at 90% I get 1/4" expansion. So I started looking at my tunica being my limiting factor, because I thought of the bycicle tube and tire idea. Now as we know as far as documented medical studies, the tunica has 2 layers, and like you said running latitudinaly, and one longitudinally. So
my deduction was, they should be targeted separately. So I began hanging about a month and a half ago because my theory was (is) that if I stretch the first layer or longitudinal fibers. That would thin out and weaken the tunica, thereby making it easier to gain girth. I can then work the 2nd layer or latitudinal fibers easier and will be able to gain quicker and easier in the long term. That is why I find this thread so interesting that this pops up at this time, as it confirms many of my original thoughts and theory's. Obviously I believe in it, I'm betting on it after all, I am "hanging" here for girth as I type this.

Stretching before girth work could be something you can try to see if any difference is made in the level of expansion you experience during your girth exercises.

 

[Neutralview]

Ayoz, I think this could be the key as to why some guys are such hard gainers while others gain almost effortlessly. The report says "In 20 cadaveric specimens, the TA (tunica albuginea) of the CC (corpus cavernosum) was formed of two layers: an inner circular and an outer longitudinal (Figure 1). In six of the 28 specimens, it consisted of three layers: an inner circular, intermediate longitudinal and outer circular (Figure 2). In the remaining two specimens, the TA was formed of a single longitudinal layer "

So out of 28 cadavers the breakdown was:

7% (2 men) - 1 Layer Tunica
71.5% (20 men) - 2 Layers Tunica
21.5% (6 men) - 3 Layers Tunica

You would think the single longitudinal layered men could gain some massive girth very easily. Well, not these guys, but other living guys could. If this is an accurate cross section of most men, it could explain the easy, medium and hard gainers. The percentages look pretty close to what we hear from newbies starting PE. Think about it, if one guy has a 1 layer tunica how much easier will it be for him to gain as opposed to a guy with 3 layers? I guess the good new is you have about a 78.5% chance of being an easy to medium gainer.

Here's when a generous doctor and with a shiny new MRI might come in handy!

Health: The study was very broad on mentioning that the tunica provides penis rigidity and erectile strength. It didn't clearly state that the more layers of tunica, the more rigid the penis (or at least I didn't see where it did). It did, however, suggest that it might.

I presume that you might be onto something, though. You've actually reminded me of an old PEer named Gandolf/8-ball (he later changed names). He PEed for years without gaining. He actually did the penis enlargement videos on this site. If you check out the videos, you'll notice in penis is very rigid.

I always coughed it up to the fact that I thought he PEed very intensely, causing his penis to toughen up (which does happen if you go overboard). But perhaps he had 3 layers of tunica?

Handcramp, I have to disagree. Granted there has been no scientific corelation between tunica layers and PE potential. But common sense woud have to dictate that there would have to be a definite relationship. The tunica defines penis size. It's what gives the organ structure and regidity. The phenomenon of Megalophallus shows that when the tunica's integrity is compromised the result is an enlargement of the organ. Having 3 layers of dense fibrous tissue to stretch or expand would definitely be more difficut than 1 or 2 layers. The laws of physics dictates it would be stronger and more difficult to injure. More tissue means more resistance. It doesn't mean guys with 3 layers could not gain. I just belive it would be much more difficult.

SOMETHING is responsible for guys who do everything right and still don't gain.



Maybe. But it doesn't negate the fact that this study shows there are most definitely percentages of men out there with a least 3 differing tunica types.


Would be interesting to know. Unfortunately, the report didn't say. But you would think if there was, it would have been mentioned.




This also would be good to know. Again, you would think if there were a relationship it would have been mentioned.
But, maybe not. Who knows?

I truly believe I have 3 layers if tunica. My penis when erect is curved upwards & it feels very stiff & rigid. I guess I'm a hard gainer since its more difficult for me to gain cause of the 3 layers.
I also think race plays a role in the layers & thickness of the tunica. Us black guys tend to have thick tunicas & sstiff/rigid penises cause we have more girth wheras white guys seem to have only 1 or 2 layers probably cause their penises are thinner & easier to stretch so its easier for them to gain. One can't generalise though so maybe it has nothing to do with race.
I agree that a guy with 1 layer is much more likely to gain than a guy with 3 layers like me who'll probably never gain not matter what PE exercise/device I use. Even if I do PE correctly maybe the 3 layers of tunica is preventing me from gaining anything?? I've been using the JES extender for 4 months & I havent gained anything erect wise. I think I need something much more touger & intense to stretch the 3 layers of my tunica??

 

[RedWilly]

In all 28 cases, the TA of the CC consisted of collagen fibers impregnated with few elastic fibers. The collagen fibers were arranged in bundles in a wavy pattern. In 20 cadaveric specimens, the TA of the CC was formed of two layers: an inner circular and an outer longitudinal (Figure 1). In six of the 28 specimens, it consisted of three layers: an inner circular, intermediate longitudinal and outer circular (Figure 2). In the remaining two specimens, the TA was formed of a single longitudinal layer (Figure 3). At the junction of the CC with the corpus spongiosum (CS) in all the studied specimens, the TA of the CC consisted only of the circular layer. The TA of the CS consisted of only one layer with circularly orientedfibers; no longitudinal fibers were detected in any of the specimens examined.

This is where it gets interesting.... At the junction of the CC with the corpus spongiosum (CS) in all the studied specimens, the TA of the CC consisted only of the circular layer...

So could that be an area to focus on if girth gains are hard?