The Perils of Self Diagnosis

[Regenerator]

In all the years that you've spent helping people with injuries, what are some instances of medical professionals doing what was necessary to treat the patient for purely sexual symptoms that went beyond a Viagra prescription?

I'm not saying to tell people not to see a doctor, but why not be realistic about what they should expect, based on all of the knowledge accumulated over the years from people with injuries? (Which you admitted was important).

I'm not criticizing you as having a lack of perspective, but it's unavoidable to simply have less perspective if you haven't been through it.

If you do choose to expand your perspective, I think it could impact the expectations that you may put in people's minds when encouraging them to see a doctor, and your reaction if the doctor was dismissive of their issue. In advising people to see a doctor, you are only touching the tip of the iceberg.

I do hope you'll seek to broaden your perspective, since it can't hurt. There's nothing wrong with advising people to seek medical attention, but eventually, a more in depth discussion about realistic expectations and limitations can begin to take place.

You care about helping people with injuries, and gaining insight into what really happens for yourself can only empower you further. There really is nothing to lose by trying, it would be an eye opening and beneficial experience.

 

[Big Al]

Many of us here attempt to educate ourselves to assist others the best way we can in a non-medical capacity. What other recommendations would you like to see given beyond what we do here? Before you proceed with repeating your request, let's put the idea of my visiting a doctor with false complaints to rest.

I've conferred with some who've had excellent results from seeing medical professionals. Sadly, there does appear to be a good deal of men who don't report success- though this may not necessarily be the fault of the physician.

There do appear to be quite a few cases where there doesn't appear to be any physical issue involved. Psychogenic cases of ED can be very troublesome, as cases of authentic injury can [understandably] be compounded due to anxiety. There are many cases where initial injuries have fully healed but the patient believes there to still be something wrong because they suffer from ED.

When the patient refuses to accept the idea that the problem originates in their mind little can be done for them until they accept the possibility of it being so.

 

[Regenerator]

The best thing that you can do is to see a doctor yourself so that you can truly grasp and empathize with the challenges of seeking help from mainstream medicine in these instances.

You spend so much time and effort helping people with injuries, why not invest a little bit of time so that all of your future attempts to help will be as productive as possuble?

There is simply no reason not to, and it's become clear that only personal experience may serve as the gateway for you into really understanding some of this better.

I know your heart is in the right place and that you really care about helping people with injuries. I urge you to take the next step and arm yourself with a greater depth of insight and empathy that will be helpful moving forwards.

 

[CUSP82]

There's a problem seeking help from doctors? How so?

 

[CriticalMass]

The best thing that you can do is to see a doctor yourself so that you can truly grasp and empathize with the challenges of seeking help from mainstream medicine in these instances.

You spend so much time and effort helping people with injuries, why not invest a little bit of time so that all of your future attempts to help will be as productive as possuble?

There is simply no reason not to, and it's become clear that only personal experience may serve as the gateway for you into really understanding some of this better.

I know your heart is in the right place and that you really care about helping people with injuries. I urge you to take the next step and arm yourself with a greater depth of insight and empathy that will be helpful moving forwards.

I think there's a decent ethical argument that fabricating a complaint to deceive a physician is wrong, and thus a good reason not to put your suggestion into action.

 

[Big Al]

I think there's a decent ethical argument that fabricating a complaint to deceive a physician is wrong, and thus a good reason not to put your suggestion into action.

Yes, and as I alluded to earlier what would the next step be after a doctor does a check up and finds nothing wrong.

I've had my own less than spectacular encounters with medical professionals, but on the whole I'd say the number of experiences have been more positive than negative.

 

[CUSP82]

Well for anyone that doesn't want to see one of those dopey doctors when they get ill I'd try a plumber. I tried an electrician once but the results were less than shocking.

 

[watersnake]

What ever happened to that member that went into med school to find out what his penile injury was?

 

[CUSP82]

I think there's a decent ethical argument that fabricating a complaint to deceive a physician is wrong, and thus a good reason not to put your suggestion into action.

Nah I thinks it's fine to fake an injury so that the doc has to spend time with you instead if spending time with someone that really might need him. I don't see anything wrong with that; do you?

 

[Regenerator]

I think there's a decent ethical argument that fabricating a complaint to deceive a physician is wrong, and thus a good reason not to put your suggestion into action.

People get misdiagnosed for things by doctors all the time, or see the wrong type of doctor for the wrong type of problem all of the time.

No one would be harmed, and considering the amount of time and effort Big Al puts into helping people with injuries, the increased insight and empathy that he would receive would go a very long way in truly helping people.

It's a highly basic cost benefit analysis, no harm done versus great benefit for many, it isn't a choice at all.

Big Al, the first step will be for you to see what the so called check up entails when a person verbally tells a doctor about this type of situation. There is simply no getting around that experiencing the process for yourself, will go a long way in your helping others who have gone through this predicament. Especially considering you already spend so much effort and time, and care such as great deal about helping them.

 

[Regenerator]

What ever happened to that member that went into med school to find out what his penile injury was?

Haha maybe that guy was actually just trying to mess with people who he thought might not really understand the doctor thing.

 

[CUSP82]

People get misdiagnosed for things by doctors all the time, or see the wrong type of doctor for the wrong type of problem all of the time.

No one would be harmed, and considering the amount of time and effort Big Al puts into helping people with injuries, the increased insight and empathy that he would receive would go a very long way in truly helping people.

It's a highly basic cost benefit analysis, no harm done versus great benefit for many, it isn't a choice at all.

Big Al, the first step will be for you to see what the so called check up entails when a person verbally tells a doctor about this type of situation. There is simply no getting around that experiencing the process for yourself, will go a long way in your helping others who have gone through this predicament. Especially considering you already spend so much effort and time, and care such as great deal about helping them.

So let me see if I have this right; you're suggesting that Al or anyone should fake an injury in order to see a busy urologist who is trying to take care of people with real problems so that Al could get a better insight into what the visit entails. An incredibly stupid and selfish idea. Well I guess that patient with a blockage won't get seen today and can spend the night at the hospital because I had to spend time with a guy with a fake injury.

 

[Big Al]

...the increased insight and empathy that he would receive would go a very long way in truly helping people...

I know you mean well but I've respectfully asked for you to refrain from repeatedly requesting my faking a doctor's visit. Your persistence in doing so and your assumption that I need to fulfill your recommendation in order to become more empathetic and helpful is both condescending and insulting.

Please stop.

 

[Regenerator]

Cusp that's totally wrong by that logic no guy with any purely sexual symptoms should ever go to a urologist unless they were actually trying to get a prescription for Viagra. And even then maybe they shouldn't go because them selfishly wanting a Viagra prescription could cause some else in real danger to not have access to treatment and die.

With as much time and effort as Big Al spends helping people with injuries he has a better reason to go than many.

 

[Regenerator]

I know you mean well but I've respectfully asked for you to refrain from repeatedly requesting my faking a doctor's visit. Your persistence in doing so and your assumption that I need to fulfill your recommendation in order to become more empathetic and helpful is both condescending and insulting.

Please stop.

I don't feel that way at all, but if you don't want to talk about this anymore it is your decision.

 

[CUSP82]

Cusp that's totally wrong by that logic no guy with any purely sexual symptoms should ever go to a urologist unless they were actually trying to get a prescription for Viagra. And even then maybe they shouldn't go because them selfishly wanting a Viagra prescription could cause some else in real danger to not have access to treatment and die.

With as much time and effort as Big Al spends helping people with injuries he has a better reason to go than many.

So to you the doctors time is not valuable. So what is your injury?

 

[CUSP82]

Wait a minute; I remember you. Why if it isn't good ole Nimble. Hey has your injury gotten any better since the last time you were here? If I remember correctly it was a long standing one and no doctor could find anything wrong. Well did it get any better? If so what did you do to make it better?

 

[Regenerator]

Big Al said he doesn't want to discuss this further, so I'll respect his wishes and not drag things out on this thread (of which the premise was to schedule visits with doctors, where they would be compensated for their time, for situations that don't pose an imminent danger, and for which the only solution is Viagra).

But no, you don't remember correctly. Feel free to shoot me a message if you want to discuss anything further, even if you sometimes get mad and vow not to speak to some people again over silly things; hey what's for lunch? Or is it dinner now?

 

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