The Big Draw (semen retention) anyone?

[User4286]

Hello...

Is anyone practicing semen retention as teaced in taoist culture
with a technique called "The Big Draw"?
There is a book from Mantak Chia for example Taoist Secrets of Love:
Cultivating Male Sexual Energy.

I can move the enery upwards into my head and back into the navel
when i practice alone with cold semen energy

But the problem is I suffer from prem E.
and so I loose my semen with wet dreams.
And I've read a lot that this techniques are dangerous too,
if you don't collect chi at your novel.

So it is hard to find anyone who practices this or even mastered it.
Maybe in this forum anyone? Would be nice.
Or from anyone hints for semen retention (the big draw) and prem E.?
Thank you.

 

[Pegasus]

You should talk to Sungiver he talks about this stuff .

While training for dry orgasm and male multi orgasm is common onsite, non mystical methods are more commonly used .

Not a fan of Mantak Chia.

 

[not2big]

When I was younger, I practiced retaining a portion of my ejaculate during intercourse. When I did this, I significantly reduced my refractory period. Other then thT, no significant other benefit.

Now, I hope I can ejaculate at all. Age definitely changes your perspective.

 

[Pegasus]

Yes not2big I do partial ejaculation and no ejaculation mmo for the same reason . But mot for mystic purposes.

For other members "the Big draw" is a kegel type exercise steeped in mystic language and significance .

 

[TheZZMan]

While you are still young OP, there is another side of the aisle that insists that exercising your prostrate by frequent ejaculations is good for the long term benefits of prostrate health. So, in this context, there are extremes on both ends, from over ejaculation to the opposite of preserving ejaculate. I am a member of the use it or loose it faction, but not an over user.

 

[User4286]

The main reason I'm interested in that mystic approach
is because it helps me with mens obsession of the women genitals.
Practicing meditation and circulating sexual energy
leads me to a new understanding and connection with women and sex.
Its bliss feels more real and enduring.

When I was younger, I practiced retaining a portion of my ejaculate during intercourse. When I did this, I significantly reduced my refractory period. Other then thT, no significant other benefit.


Now, I hope I can ejaculate at all. Age definitely changes your perspective.

Many people say that they don't get any benefits from semen retention.
Maybe that's is really different from person to person,
because after 7 days of not ejaculating I can feel that bliss which taoists are taking about.

Do you mean that now as you're older you have difficulties to ejaculate?
Maybe it's just your bodys way to say, save your energy for building up sperm.

Yes not2big I do partial ejaculation and no ejaculation mmo for the same reason . But mot for mystic purposes.


For other members "the Big draw" is a kegel type exercise steeped in mystic language and significance .

Sure, western society (including me) like more that physical
and scientific approach to human body.

Maybe this qi gong and taoist stuff is more for ppl
who are interested in meditation and spirituality.

One question here. What I didn't understand with DO or MMO is -
you kegel in the right moment before PONR and suppress the urge to ejaculate.
So you can go on and on... but how do you get a full body orgasm or something like that?
It's called multiple orgasm... but isn't it only suppressing ejaculation for a few times
and then get 1 orgasm with ejac? Or have I overlooked something?

While you are still young OP, there is another side of the aisle that insists that exercising your prostrate by frequent ejaculations is good for the long term benefits of prostrate health. So, in this context, there are extremes on both ends, from over ejaculation to the opposite of preserving ejaculate. I am a member of the use it or loose it faction, but not an over user.

I've to admit I don't know if this is maybe true.
Just wondering, doesn't peeing use the prostate too?
And what's about people who had vasectomy?
Or older people who are not interested in sex anymore?

 

[Pegasus]

Wow have you overlooked something. I will not comment on the wooo woo mystic stuffs effect on your head space .
The kegel training allows you to have the orgasm but not the ejaculation . Now what you may not understand is that at the physical level this is what happens with all the mystic stuff too . All the "big draw stuff etc are actually kegel type stuff . All the visualisation , chakara's, chi ,yada yada are causing physical actions that can cause orgasm without ejaculation that have no need of woo woo. That is you can do the physical actions that in Taoist training more directly if you are not interested in Taoist religion ot tantra or whatever other mystic practise .
Now if you like the mystic experience by all means do it , but don't tell me I don't know what an orgasm is.

 

[TheZZMan]

Just wondering, doesn't peeing use the prostate too?
And what's about people who had vasectomy?
Or older people who are not interested in sex anymore?

1- peeing doesn't use the prostate it empties the bladder.
2- Vasectomy cuts off little swimmers in the balls from mixing with your seamen and does not effect the prostate and the ability to ejaculate.
3- Older people are usually the ones with prostate problems.

 

[kickinthemebs]

I practised it years ago and pretty much mastered it, but then stopped doing it, as I got lazy.

I am back trying to do it at the moment, but realise it will take months before I am anyway competent at doing it. As Pegasus mentioned, a lot of the language is quite colourful, mystical and religious. I am not religious and am aware that a lot of the activities Mantak describes are mere physical reactions of the body, but I agree with you OP that his descriptions are good for visualising the actions and effects. I like the mystical side to it, despite not whole-heartedly believing in it.

The Big Draw takes time and a lot of practice.

 

[Ducketry]

I used to practice this as a teen when I had just started beating. However, I was too lazy and undisciplined to advanced at it. I had maybe 1-2 "no hands" orgasms using mantak's techniques. It's probably very useful when it comes to the mental/hormnal aspect of pe.

 

[User4286]

First it took me a while to get in touch with chi, life force,
electro-magnetic field etc. to know how it feels with meditation.
Its neither physical nor mental, it's something between.
If you want grab it, it goes away.

After practicing this I can collect it in my balls and move it up into my head.
But it's very important to move it forward down and collect it in the navel.
Otherwise I get mental problems... like 1000 thoughts and mind can't stop working.
One solution is the microcosmic orbit - so you can collect chi in your navel.
Easier with cold semen energy, harder aroused... more aroused - harder to control it.

Now I'm here to practice the physical part.
First I think I must be able to relax my pelvic floor more,
so doing RKs and stretching.
Because in high arousal semen wants to get out fast... I can't even move energy up.
Probably because tight pelvic floor.

And the other thing is doing Kegels at the right moment to suppress ejaculation
and get that DO.

Did you use the technique as described by mantak
or did you use an own or modified version (mmo, ...)?
Discharges the energy with mmo into your full body without feeling this energy?
Or how was your feeling with it?

 

[jockinthebox]

HMM...never collected chi in my navel...lint? FOR SURE!:becky:...but chi? No.:bad: It's not related to toe-jam is it?:becky:

 

[Pegasus]

What we practise has nothing to do with Mantak as I said not a fan .
Hmm lifeforce ,chi etc we do not tend to use these terms . There are head (energy?) effects to mmo and these can vary depending on type of mmo etc . Typical regarded in 2 forms soft style (think tai chi) the singing of angles and hard style (think Shotokan ) riding thors chariot .
So kegel strength must be enough and for this we do kegel /reverse kegel training . You might just lack strength to kegel against the resistance of coming orgasm . So in your terms this might be inability to move energy up .
There is also specific skill/timing training and this is mostly edging training .

 

[Pegasus]

Here is a link to a rk training method that may be suitable.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/premat.../76249-reverse-kegel-newbie-yes-thats-me.html

By the way the mental problems from "excess chi" would not be an issue if you ejaculated .

 

[Pegasus]

Other relaxation methods include massage forms and stretching forms . The yoga stretch "hindi squat" is particularly popular .

Here is a link to our mmo club lot of links and threads inside,

https://www.pegym.com/forums/groups/multiple-male-orgasm-dry-orgasms.html

 

[User4286]

Will work through rk tutorial
and some interesting stuff in this mmo group.

I got some ideas how these mmo styles will feel like.

 

[Dziki-marok]

Yes your right, its very important to move energy from head to navel because if you dont you can cause headache. This is very powerful method. Its all based on energy. You can use your sexual desire and turn into magnificent energy which fuel your body and mind. I changed my bad fast masturbation habit with porn to healthy masturbation when i wasnt cumming 2 mins into fast porn instead just feel myself, go fully into it and then not ejaculate with circulating that energy through body just using focus and breathing(its very important, breathing through nose is key to this method) I had practiced this method some time ago when i was intrested in medidate, chi, bio energy etc.