Successfully overcome Premature Ejaculation and grew my erection - AMA

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I'll throw this out there, as I know a number of the more senior guys around here are a little jaded by answering the same sorts of questions all the time, so I'll offer my insight if anyone wants it.

At the end of 2014, at the age of 46, I was dealing with severe premature ejaculation, periodic erectile dysfunction and lessening EQ. I could barely enter my wife without needing to ejaculate. This led me to feel insecure and experience ED. My overall health was poor and so my EQ suffered. Because of all these factors I often avoided sex, only doing it 2-3 times a month.

Now, entering the second half of 2018, turning 50 years old, my health is pretty good, EQ is rock hard, I've added 1 7/8ths inches in length and 7/8ths of an inch in girth. This past week I had sex with my wife 6 times. 4 times I nailed her, 2 times she nailed me. Each time was 20-30 minutes of PIV thrusting sex. 3 times were in a 12 hour window.

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Thanks for sharing that, you've done well !
 

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Good job! So basic question from me, how did You do that?
 

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Hey @Incogneeetoe

Kudos on your success

I too came here a few years back seeking to harden things up down here. With PE and PF exercises I have managed to grow some, but more importantly, managed to improve EQ from 6/7 to Id say 7/8 out of 10. Morning wood has also returned in a big way.

Id still like to get to 9 or 10 out 10 in the EQ department so I continue working towards that.

Thanks for posting your progress thread. I will check it out. I wanted to ask if there are top of mind variables that you feel moved the needle to improved EQ.

Any change in diet for instance? Exercise? Keigels? Edging?

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Hey @Incogneeetoe

Thanks for posting your progress thread. I will check it out. I wanted to ask if there are top of mind variables that you feel moved the needle to improved EQ.

Any change in diet for instance? Exercise? Keigels? Edging?

I think diet, exercise and edging are all part of it. And, of course, mental dedication.

First, not so much "dieting" as proper diet. I swear by the 5G tea now. Living in Korea I always hear about garlic, ginger and ginseng. They often come in traditional oriental medicine as "good for men". They even call red ginseng "Korean Viagra". I used to laugh it off, but once I started to read into it, I found that there is indeed evidence that it is true. I also found that ginkgo is great for circulation and green tea for anti-oxidants. All of which help keep the erection healthy.

I also like to eat well. So I aim to have lunches that are heart healthy. I eat oatmeal and fruit, or salads without any dressing. It is not much fun, but I figure supper will be better, so I just grin and bare it.

Oh, and lots of water.

Second, I have always tried to stay in shape, but as time went by I was less and less dedicated. So I started to focus on aerobic exercise more. I got rid of my car and use my bike as much as possible. That is a big thing, I think. While biking I get stuck at red lights, etc. When waiting I do kegel routines. Reverse kegels, rolling kegels, etc. The blood flow is always important.

I also do yoga 5 days a week. I have a bad lower back from a car accident a few years ago, so I was doing some yoga anyway. I just added in some poses that also target the pelvic floor. I sleep better because of it, and last longer in bed, too.

I also do pelvic thrusts all the time. I read in tantric books about getting the pelvis moving to get blood flow going, so in my PE routine I do pelvic thrusts and in yoga time, too. I got the wife to join in, and she also likes the routine.

Finally, I have edged for a long time. Literally since the 90s. Not constantly, especially after meeting my wife I did not really have a need. However, once I started to do it with consistency I think it made a difference. Part of it is just getting an erection. As we get older we tend to get less erections. Life takes over, the sex life falls by the wayside and we just get less erections. I found that to be very true. Then one day I read a sexpert talk about erections, and she explained something simple: the more erections you get the more erections you will get.

It is a very simple concept.

So I set out to try and have at least an erection a day. I would get hard in the shower. No need to ejaculate, as that was not my purpose. And as time went by I found that erections came far more easily and frequently.

It used to be that I needed a good while to get warmed up for sex. But my wife is not really a foreplay kind of girl. She gets horny and wants it. So the longer it took the more stressful it was for me. She tried to put me inside her while still only 50%. Then I would cum quickly and it led to a circle of failed sex and premature ejaculation.

After I started to edge daily I found that I could get hard very quickly. Literally, if my wife hints she wants it, I start to get hard.

I know it is all just anecdotal, but from my point of view it works. I get really hard really fast. My wife complains about my being too hard sometimes. If I haven't had sex in a while and am very horny, my erection sticks straight up and won't move, making cowgirl a difficult position for her.

My refractory period is down to an hour or so. I used to take days to get it back up, now I can in about 45 minutes. Maybe less. In fact, my erection often does not go away. I ejaculate, but the erection stays for 5-10 minutes. And it is hard enough that my wife has used it "just because it is there".
 

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Hey, thanks for the thread. I skimmed some of your thread when i first started digging deep into this issue earlier this year. I suffer from PreE

What would you say, in your case, was the most important change/technique in your routine that helped cure your PreE? If you could go back to 2014 what advice would you give yourself?

Were you a life long sufferer or did this develop later in life?
 

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@Incogneeetoe Thanks for the very thoughtful reply.

I do remember when I first experienced red ginseng tea boners back in my early 30s.
A highly recommended experience
 

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Hey, thanks for the thread. I skimmed some of your thread when i first started digging deep into this issue earlier this year. I suffer from PreE

What would you say, in your case, was the most important change/technique in your routine that helped cure your PreE? If you could go back to 2014 what advice would you give yourself?

I'm going to start by saying I do not think it is "cured". Maybe I am wrong about the idea, but I think it is a problem that I have overcome, but it could still happen.

I really cannot put my finger on one specific thing that is the key.

However, if I could go back I think the first thing that I would have started sooner was reverse kegels and related yoga. I did kegels religiously, 200 to 600 daily. But as much as I did it did not help. But once I realized that there was more to it than just clamping down hard and trying to stop the ejaculation, then things got better.

The second would be to actually stop always trying to make that kegel to stop the ejaculation. Once I started training myself to not tense up at all, then there was a big change. I spent a good month of edging just focusing on not kegeling at all. It took some work, but after a while I was able to do it. Now I can edge for 20~30 minutes comfortably without kegeling.

Were you a life long sufferer or did this develop later in life?

My PreE started in my late 20s. Maybe at 28? I had hooked up with this really hot woman in Tampa, Fla. And I just could not control myself. Before that it had never been a problem. I think it had a lot to do with my own mental state, no job, feelings of no future, etc. But once I got the yips, I could not get rid of them. Went through 3~4 relationships where my tongue got far more action than my erection. About 10:1.

Then I met my wife. And I just had to do better.
 

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Well i have the yoga covered i think since i practice daily. Think i have a good feel of doing the RK now, just gotta get a routine together. Going to start with 60rk/40k ratio

Now when you mentioned kegeling during edging were you referring to vountary or involuntary? Are you experienced in Dry orgasms at all?
 

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Well i have the yoga covered i think since i practice daily. Think i have a good feel of doing the RK now, just gotta get a routine together. Going to start with 60rk/40k ratio

a 60/40 ration is probably good.
What yoga poses do you do? Are you including Child and Cobra?

Now when you mentioned kegeling during edging were you referring to vountary or involuntary? Are you experienced in Dry orgasms at all?

Both. Like a lot of guys, I would kegel to try and control...had to stop that. Once that habit was defeated, then the IKs were easier to get rid of, too.
 

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A number of folks have been contacting me via PM, so I thought I'd bump this thread.

I am always happy to answer any questions sent via PM, but do not be shy, if you want to open the questions up to the general community we can have a good conversation.
 

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Some questions came in a personal message from earlyinfinity:

Hi there! First of all, I'm super impressed with what you've achieved and I feel grateful that you've shared your experience in such detail. I'm sure your descriptive journey of ups and downs and ultimate successes and achievements have inspired and benefited many people, including me. I especially like the approach you took and would like to follow a similar approach of consistent practice and dedication while working on understanding my body in a more intuitive way.


Thanks, I’m happy to answer any questions…

As far as size is concerned, I can't imagine how amazing it would feel to experience some of the expressions of pleasure and curiosity/interest that you have described coming from your wife. … I've been very curious to see her experience a man with a much bigger penis, but she hasn't found one yet. And now looking at your growth over three years, I'm starting to think that man could one day be me.

That was a big motivation for me, the reaction from my wife. I really only did the PE stuff for my own goals, but here reaction did help a lot. Plus the added confidence made a big difference in terms of PreE anxiety. I highly recommend a careful penis growth routine just for that.

But for now I'd like to focus on something that I know is achievable in the time frame of a year. I have two young kids and we're renovating our house so I have to be careful not to embark on something I can't be consistent with. My main 1 year goals are more responsive erections, slight size gains through better erection quality, and to be able to consistently last through 10 minutes of PIV with my wife, without kegelling to hold off ejaculation.

There is something to be said for short term specific goals. At the start I did everything haphazardly, but I soon learned to set 1 month and 3 month goals.

My specific question for you is regarding getting an erection for edging and PE. I find that while trying to allow the erection to form with a relaxed pelvic floor, it can take a while, especially in the evenings (up to 5 minutes or more). Does the time to get hard eventually shorten with practice? I'm thinking I've formed a bad habit of tensing my body to get erect and now I have to retrain myself to get erections without the tension in other muscles. I'd also be interested to know whether you think it is an important goal for Pre-E'ers to be able to get erections without tensing or kegelling.

I found that it did get shorter and easier to get an erection. I think there was a combined impact from aerobic exercise, 5G tea and daily practice. I was getting between 2 and 3 erections a day for PE and often another for sex, so I just became adapted to getting erections quickly. I also think it became a habit. Every day at 9pm I’d get hared, so I got used to it. I noticed that when I changed time zones those 9pm habitual erections would turn into 11am erections.
I think getting hard without kegeling is very important. I worked a lot on that. It took a month of targeted jerking off while not kegeling at all to beast the habit. I used to just count how many pumps it took to get to the PONR than use that for a target.

Also, I couldn't find anywhere in your posts whether you use fantasize or use sexy thoughts of your wife while edging or gaining erections. It sounds like you've learned to get very full erections with purely physical sensation while in a meditative state. This would be an ultimate goal of mine, if you've found that it's possible and worthwhile.

I worked hard to just be able to get hard from jerking off. I had a set routine, 160 left hand underhand, 160 right hand overhand, 80 left hand overhand, 80 right hand underhand (I started out much lower, like 60, 60, 30, 30…or less). Normally I get warmed up, stretch it out, etc. Then start to jerk. Generally I am fully hard by the end of the first 160. Usually by 80 or 100 I’m hard. I will use some fantasy to help at times. I imagine doing that many strokes inside my wife and how she would react, or I image it is her hand. But overall I did not need fantasy much after a year or so of steady edging.

One more questions if I could: it sounds like now that your have Pre-E under control you do kegels while erect for PE purposes. However, I'd like to prioritize Pre-E control for now. Did you feel that the phase you went through when you were avoiding all kegels and IKs to be critical in helping you gain control of Pre-E?

I do think that getting control over the pelvic floor is essential. However, I did not ever completely stop kegeling. I did do my best to get out of the habit during edging and sex, but I still do daily kegels, and reverse kegels. I think those of us who have bad PreE AND who have the problematic IKs need to work to stop the IKs. That was a big turning point for me.

This message was longer than I had anticipated so I really appreciate any time you take to read/reply. I can also post these questions in one of your threads if you feel that would be more appropriate. Just let me know

I should have read through the message more carefully at first, because I think it would be good to post these and answer them in a thread.

Thanks!
Anytime, I do not always answer right away, but I do answer.
 

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I can't thank you enough for your insights. I think when starting out with PE and Pre-E conditioning, it's easy to second guess the path you're on and grasp at different solutions. Your descriptions of your method and how long it took to be able to curb IKs really helps because it gives a reference point to something that can be hard to measure from day-to-day.

Many guys helped me when I was starting out, and they gave me advice that made a big difference. One thing I noted in many success stories was specific numbers regarding time. Both in terms of time for specific exercises, but also how long before we set results. I tried to set specific goals in terms of weeks and months, and to keep track of ho long things took. Details ae in my own thread, but I can go back and easily tell people.

I think I'll take your advice to work on PE as a primary short term goal, even if it's modest. I'm already noticing an improvement in erection quality, which is encouraging and like you say, gives confidence. When you said that you had the goal of being able to get hard from physical stimulation alone, it makes sense in the sense that you are conditioning your nervous system to follow a pattern of getting hard and remaining at a lower arousal level while disassociating the urge to orgasm. But I also wonder, if you weren't conditioning yourself to handle intense arousal in your practice routines, how were you eventually able to handle the arousal when you were with your wife? Did you ever work on conditioning yourself to be able to handle high levels of arousal, or did that sort itself out when you focused on the physical side of things?

I did really want to get used to getting and having erections. The more erections you get the more you will get. I worked to condition myself to get hard easily. I also tried to accustom myself to be able to get heard without being completely aroused. And to make it a habit that erections DO NOT ALWAYS lead to ejaculation. As any guy with PreE will tell you, getting aroused is easy. I used to get to the PONR very quickly. I did not need to work on that at all. So I worked hard to be able to get rock hard without hitting the PONR.

Of course there were many occasions where I worked on arousal, in sex with my wife. She knew that I was working on PreE and penile health (though still does not know about enlargement), so she understood when I took it slow during sex.

The key difference was that after I improved my ability to get hard without getting really aroused I was able to control the situation better. I used to get really excited before getting hard, which lead to being at the PONR but only being half erect. Which lead to rushing things, less than satisfying sex and related performance anxiety induced ED. However, after using PE to improve my EQ I would get hard very quickly. Very hard. So then the slow build of arousal was accompanied by a good erection so my wife was fine with being used for edging, though she did not know specifically I was doing that.

I've also been on the 5G formula for a while and I've noticed that it helps with EQ, flaccid hang, and my overall mental health. I love it. I've also found that I'm starting to get erections more readily. I really like your holistic approach and am trying to do something similar - exercise, stretching, herbs, and PE - with the limited time I have.

I'll keep working on my PE and edging without IK's for now, and will maybe change my approach with fantasizing during edging, depending on what your recommend at this stage in the game.'

I think the best thing is to find what you can handle. I had a hard time (sorry) dealing with fantasy and PONR, etc. So I did it without. But I can easily see how it would help a lot of guys. Try and see how it goes for you. For IKs, I think it is best to spend some time focusing on that specifically, then move on to other types of edging. AT least for me it was.

Your response time was much faster than I expected : ) Clearly I'm not super prompt when it comes to most things digital so there's no rush in answering. Thanks for your time and I hope you're things are well in South Korea (I just listened to a documentary on K pop, which was fascinating!).

The documentary on Netflix? One of my coworkers was a featured expert interview in that.

By the way, feel free to post any of this in your progress thread. Or if I can somehow help with putting some of these questions in that thread, let me know!

Thanks,


 

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I found that this summer, when I started road cycling for hours a week, my sexual stamina which used to be 3-5 minutes, skyrocketed to nearly 30minutes.

I did not notice a correlation until the weather has since gotten cold and I've not ridden my bike for about two months. My stamina has dropped back to around 6 minutes.

I'm not the first one I know of to experience this effect with improved stamina through improved cardio and it's got me wondering about the relation of high red blood cell count and sexual stamina.
 

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I found that this summer, when I started road cycling for hours a week, my sexual stamina which used to be 3-5 minutes, skyrocketed to nearly 30minutes.

One thing I always ask about is aerobic exercise. Whenever people talek about erections, ED, PreE, etc. The first thing that comes to mind is exercise.

I did not notice a correlation until the weather has since gotten cold and I've not ridden my bike for about two months. My stamina has dropped back to around 6 minutes.

I can hear that. Off work for the holidays, doing no biking (I bike all year round, Korea has weak winters compared to Canada!). Will be back in the saddle come Monday. I'll see how my stamina relates.

I'm not the first one I know of to experience this effect with improved stamina through improved cardio and it's got me wondering about the relation of high red blood cell count and sexual stamina.

Can you extrapolate? I am unfamiliar with the relationship between high red blood cell count and cardio. Do not feel like googling...
 

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I'll throw this out there, as I know a number of the more senior guys around here are a little jaded by answering the same sorts of questions all the time, so I'll offer my insight if anyone wants it.

At the end of 2014, at the age of 46, I was dealing with severe premature ejaculation, periodic erectile dysfunction and lessening EQ. I could barely enter my wife without needing to ejaculate. This led me to feel insecure and experience ED. My overall health was poor and so my EQ suffered. Because of all these factors I often avoided sex, only doing it 2-3 times a month.

Now, entering the second half of 2018, turning 50 years old, my health is pretty good, EQ is rock hard, I've added 1 7/8ths inches in length and 7/8ths of an inch in girth. This past week I had sex with my wife 6 times. 4 times I nailed her, 2 times she nailed me. Each time was 20-30 minutes of PIV thrusting sex. 3 times were in a 12 hour window.

Please feel free to Ask Me Anything.

at this point in your life were you managing to maintain your erection through foreplay?
Have you ever lost it during foreplay? not now that you've overcome it but in your darkest days so to say

I go from 100% EQ to 50% give or take if my mind wanders off or/and i get stressed and then I can't get it back..
I'm at a similar age and my current situation sounds very much like yours