What he needs is an independent unbiased subject from this site to undergo the procedure at no charge. This would put the effectiveness debate to rest. I would possibly volunteer.
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What he needs is an independent unbiased subject from this site to undergo the procedure at no charge. This would put the effectiveness debate to rest. I would possibly volunteer.
It will be really good to have a "reviewer" like you Iguana, almost everyone here knows that you´re legit
I´m afraid that Dr Runels gets tired of being attacked here though
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Runels was presented with legitimate concerns by forum members. If he ran away then the action speaks for itself. If he is not a quack, he will return and address all questions in a professional manner presenting a full outline of his theory with supporting studies along with his own documented evidence from his personal injection and from his patients.
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." -Carl Sagan
I wouldn't hold my breathe waiting for the response.Like I said before, it would be nice for all of us,all mankind for that matter, but I don't think so!
A pilot study with 25-30 volunteers would be inexpensive. I assume he conducts the procedure in his clinic, so he already owns a centrifuge, syringes are not that expensive, and the "proliferant" comes free from the patients blood. Patients could be shown how to perform the exercises through a video series he creates or links from a free PE site (such as thunders) and have them emailed to the patients. Initial measures could be taken followed by monthly measures for 3-6 months. This wouldn't even take up a significant amount of time for the physician running this trial. I seriously doubt there will be a trial without the volunteers having to fork out $1900...
He's not trying to convince anybody here. He stated that at the begining. I doubt he will come back to this thread. So let's leave him alone and like he said, once he has everthing established everybody will know. I truly hope he is not a quack though. Good luck Dr. Runels i'll be seeing you once everything is done 2000 for 2 inches is reasonable for me.
I think everyone agrees that if his procedure works that would be very reasonable. I think the problem everyone has is that this is an unproven method and the burden of proof is on him.
Any company pursuing a new pharmacological product or procedure knows that clinical trials are necessary to establish effectiveness and safety. They are even willing to pay subjects given that it is risky to volunteer for any unestablished medical procedures considering the out come could be serious.
If the Doc is serious about marketing this product he will not hesitate to do what's necessary to show it's effectiveness and safety.
I have my doubts about the application of PRFM in the penis. From what I have read PRFM functions in a two-fold manner. One, it serves as a cosmetic "filler" much the same as Botox and others. Secondly, due to the nature of the composition (one's own white platelets, hormones, etc) there is a "healing"/growth factor effect.
The problem I see is this. When you inject a PRFM rich substance subcutaneously it is "trapped" in a localized area (i.e. the face.) This allows sufficient time for the absorption of the material and for any growth factors to bind with their respective receptors.
I fail to see how this is possible in the corpus cavernosa without constricting the CC and thus retaining the solution. Otherwise, it looks like the material would be rapidly introduced back into the blood stream without time for sufficient binding and absorption.
I could be wrong and not fully understanding the process.
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He's on other forums as well .. talking about the same thing in the same tone .. not promising anything ... just letting people know about his procedure ... What do you guys think?
He's on other forums as well .. talking about the same thing in the same tone .. not promising anything ... just letting people know about his procedure ... What do you guys think?
This is how he is advertising his procedure, by posting in penis enlargement forums. If he was just getting opinions he wouldn't have a $1900 prepay feature on the webpage.
You know it's a funny thread, minus all the hostility.Two distinct groups; the ones who'd love to get two inches with a simple injection and the other group that believes it's not possible given todays current medical practice and knowledge.I 've said this before; if there was a way to increase the size of our dicks by 2 inches the man that invented the procedure, pill, or whatever would be on the cover of every newspaper and magazine in the world, he'd be wealthy beyond his dreams, and we'd all be standing in line waiting for our turn!
Cusp82: That is not exactly correct.I have been Peing for several years, including stretching, hanging, and pumping with good success. What interests me is the fact that this therapy could speed healing and encourage growth precipitated by PEing. I in no way feel that the injection, by itself, will do anything but be a filler, probably temporary. You have to cause stress to create the growth.If this has a girth filler effect, it is certainly less invasive than suturing in cadaver skin, or abdominal fat. I state again, i feel the shot by itself will do little more than be a filler. You must PE! You can take all the supplements, pills, protein, and injections, and you will not grow muscle until you hit the weight room hard. I'm past puberty. The natural growth spurt for me is over. If this can make my PE more effective, I would be quite pleased. With anything, you get back only the work you put in. But, something that makes the work produce more efficiently, is always appreciated.
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I haven't read the whole thread yet but Doctor, what do you think about DHT for penis enlargement? Could DHT be added to the shot you give?
For all the doubters and skeptics of this approach you should read this month's Life Extension Magazine 12/10 and their discussion of using mesenchymal cells to treat arthritis. This isn't fringe science. It's mainstream. The various forms of stem cell therapies waiting to explode, especially the use of autologous stem cells (from your own body) are immense. I believe Dr. Runel's theories are sound. It's the cutting edge of science -- and a lot more sensible than wearing a stretcher for hours a day.
The biggest obstacle standing in the way of many advancements and life saving therapies is, as usual, our government - which seeks through the FDA to clamp controls on everything and everyone. And to what avail? Listen to the television commercials for major pharma and you'll hear the legally required lists of lethal side effects for practically any of the touted, approved drugs. Let someone make a far-fetched case for the possible involvement of a supplement or an herb in some negative outcome -- and the FDA will snatch that product off the market instantly -- and without constitutional authority, I might add. They were not originally charted as a police organization, but an advisory one. But like all government agencies they indulge in mission creep -- to the detriment and even the death of millions. Terminal cancer patients are denied therapies they might benefit from. Why? is it to save lives? No, it's to preserve and extend the power of the FDA. Your life, your health, the size and function of your penis, are merely collateral damage in their obsessive extension of agency power. Set the imagination and creativity of intelligent men and women free -- and you will see most of the so-called big problems, like energy, climate change, etc. disappear. That is not the goal of government, however. They need and want to perpetuate problems to empower and enrich themselves, ObamaCare being the prime example of the totalitarian shackling of medical innovation.
I found this site and Dr. Runel's information by searching stem cells and penis, whereupon I came upon this forum. My reasoning in setting the search criteria was similar to what Dr. Runels described as his own thinking in coming up with this therapy. Why would you assume that an MD, who you'd allow to administer to you an IV or injection of vaccine, for example, would not be applying the same medical standards to the practice of his own innovational therapy? One poster commented on how many things could go wrong. That's true, if you were to attempt this sort of thing at home in less than sterile conditions or with improperly measured or treated injectables. But why would one voice such exaggerated caution when the man involved is an MD. Would you imagine that Dr. Rundel is any less competent than some urologist doing Penis Enlargement surgeries? We know that's a traumatic, sometime dangerous procedure. And the results are less than satisfactory. Whereas Dr. Rundel's therapy does not alter the basic morphology of the penis, but merely enhances what you have -- and with the safest injectable possible, your own blood platelets.
The answer to my earlier "why" is that people follow the phony authority of the media, the government, and the common practices they're familiar with. That's really not the American way, guys. We're supposed to be pioneers, revolutionaries, individualists.
I noted on the Dr.'s post that his heroes range from Jesus to DaVinci to Franklin and Walt Whitman. Let me assure you, these were men of courageous creativity and originality, Jesus being of course in a category by himself. We should follow them, not the manipulators who rule our world today, stifling the human spirit wherever they can.
I do not know Dr. Runels, nor have I ever communicated with him (though I intend to). But I think his work is to be applauded and encouraged. I think if the skeptics look into the whole subject of stem cell therapy they'll come away with enthusiasm for the future, rather than doubt. As I said, the chief impediment to near term availability of many medical miracles is the intrusion of the regulators. I may make a trip to the Gulf coast myself one day, as Runel's sounds like a credible man of medicine and an honest one at that.
The biggest obstacle standing in the way of many advancements and life saving therapies is, as usual, our government - which seeks through the FDA to clamp controls on everything and everyone. And to what avail? Listen to the television commercials for major pharma and you'll hear the legally required lists of lethal side effects for practically any of the touted, approved drugs. Let someone make a far-fetched case for the possible involvement of a supplement or an herb in some negative outcome -- and the FDA will snatch that product off the market instantly -- and without constitutional authority, I might add. They were not originally charted as a police organization, but an advisory one. But like all government agencies they indulge in mission creep -- to the detriment and even the death of millions. Terminal cancer patients are denied therapies they might benefit from. Why? is it to save lives? No, it's to preserve and extend the power of the FDA. Your life, your health, the size and function of your penis, are merely collateral damage in their obsessive extension of agency power. Set the imagination and creativity of intelligent men and women free -- and you will see most of the so-called big problems, like energy, climate change, etc. disappear. That is not the goal of government, however. They need and want to perpetuate problems to empower and enrich themselves, ObamaCare being the prime example of the totalitarian shackling of medical innovation.
I found this site and Dr. Runel's information by searching stem cells and penis, whereupon I came upon this forum. My reasoning in setting the search criteria was similar to what Dr. Runels described as his own thinking in coming up with this therapy. Why would you assume that an MD, who you'd allow to administer to you an IV or injection of vaccine, for example, would not be applying the same medical standards to the practice of his own innovational therapy? One poster commented on how many things could go wrong. That's true, if you were to attempt this sort of thing at home in less than sterile conditions or with improperly measured or treated injectables. But why would one voice such exaggerated caution when the man involved is an MD. Would you imagine that Dr. Rundel is any less competent than some urologist doing Penis Enlargement surgeries? We know that's a traumatic, sometime dangerous procedure. And the results are less than satisfactory. Whereas Dr. Rundel's therapy does not alter the basic morphology of the penis, but merely enhances what you have -- and with the safest injectable possible, your own blood platelets.
The answer to my earlier "why" is that people follow the phony authority of the media, the government, and the common practices they're familiar with. That's really not the American way, guys. We're supposed to be pioneers, revolutionaries, individualists.
I noted on the Dr.'s post that his heroes range from Jesus to DaVinci to Franklin and Walt Whitman. Let me assure you, these were men of courageous creativity and originality, Jesus being of course in a category by himself. We should follow them, not the manipulators who rule our world today, stifling the human spirit wherever they can.
I do not know Dr. Runels, nor have I ever communicated with him (though I intend to). But I think his work is to be applauded and encouraged. I think if the skeptics look into the whole subject of stem cell therapy they'll come away with enthusiasm for the future, rather than doubt. As I said, the chief impediment to near term availability of many medical miracles is the intrusion of the regulators. I may make a trip to the Gulf coast myself one day, as Runel's sounds like a credible man of medicine and an honest one at that.
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He sounds like a quack to me. He never came back to the forum and mass posted the same way on other PE forums. I wish he would comeback so he could explain the studies and biological mechanisms within the penis that he hypothesizes are "changed" by his procedure.
Why if you were a reputable physcian would you have to get on a penis website and mass market your brand new, untried, unapproved, unrealistic treatment for penis enlargement? Not making enough doing nose jobs? Reputable docs that I know just don't act that way!
