Hi to all. Recently chanced upon this great and helpful forum while researching on PreE. First up, I would like to thank every single one of you guys who have written stuff on this forum which I have read. It all helps. Special mention to Minuteman. Really inspired and assured by his perseverance and dedication. Which is what motivates me to write this as a form of contribution back to you guys. Please pardon my need to compartmentalize thoughts with headings - bad occupation-hazard.
Anyway I would like to share a bit about my own experience and in the process clear up some questions that I have. Recently, I've been trying edging as well as Kegels/Reverse Kegels. Below are some of my experiences and questions.
About Reverse Kegel
I am having good results with Reverse Kegels. I think the biggest advantage of RK is to fight the unconscious impulse to Kegel. Upon careful observation, I realized that I unknowingly have "mini kegels". All this unconscious mini Kegels, I believe, are what contributes significantly to PE. By doing RK every once in a while, it not only prevents and counters these mini-kegels but also relaxes your pelvic muscles generally.
Reflection: Looking back at bad experiences in bed, I realized that it must have been the mini kegels causing all the trouble. Very possibly even while I'm trying to "buy time" by pleasuring the girl with fingers and tongue, I'm unconsciously doing this mini kegel. So all the while when I think I'm relaxing my member and saving it for the final show, I was unconsciously bringing it near to PONR in the process. Explains why even lasting 30 seconds seem impossible to achieve.
I remember this particular instance when I was getting a blowjob. Me and this girl had quite abit of alcohol before that. Add that to a less than spacious car back seat and anxiety over getting spotted, my instinct to counter the whiskey dick and improve my EQ was to Kegel. It did overcome whiskey dick and improve EQ except that I also blew it after 1 minute.
Other times I would feel the urge to cum almost immediately upon penetration. If I'm a bit intoxicated, I might last tops 1 minute and I'm tired of having to rely on alcohol. I find the use of the scale of arousal from 1 to 10 where 1 is lame and 10 is PONR extremely useful in explaining this. Basically say 6 or 7 is a good normal erection, to get to 10 normally assuming one is completely relaxed would take moderate stimulation a good 10 minutes. But even without any direct stimulation but with unconscious mini kegel, I probably already reached 9.5 just before penetration. So by eliminating these mini kegels and maintaining a 7 upon penetration, you already earned yourself precious minutes.
Conclusion: Mini kegels bad, RK good. Or basically anything that prevents unwanted mini kegels.
About separation between Orgasm and Ejaculation
A lot of theories about MMO is built upon the premise that Orgasm is one thing, Ejaculation is another. During my last few times with edging and practice in general, I experienced the following twice:
I would hit near PONR and would breathe deeply and slowly, stop the stimulation, relax by staying perfectly still or RK. But I still overshot PONR and resulted in ejaculation but not the full blown ejaculation, but cum in smaller amounts just trickle out. It wasn't a mind blowing orgasm but definitely some pleasure involved. But the important distinction is this: First I did not experience the "uncontrollable kegel spasm" associated with normal full blown orgasm that sends your member pumping away for a good 30 seconds thereafter. Second, I maintained erection and went on to a second normal orgasm after that with full blown ejaculation.
Thinking back on how I did it: The first time I did it while holding RK. Basically you counter kegel impulse with reverse kegel since at any one time you can only either kegel or reverse kegel. Couldn't repeat it as my RK just couldn't fight the kegel spasm. The second time I did it holding kegel upon the triggering of the first wave of kegel spasm. That means I hold RK until I couldn't hold it anymore and allowed the kegel spasm to take place, but once the first uncontrollable kegel spasm happened I hijacked it by consciously kegeling just at the "apex" of the uncontrollable one. Both times I basically stopped the kegel spasm either with RK or K.
Practical application: This means as long as I can repeat this on the bed, I can overcome the problem of not being able to please the girl. Technically I still ejaculated, but I maintained erection and was in a state where I still wanted to continue unlike in a normal full blown orgasm that just makes me wanna sleep. Also, the desensitization allowed me way heavier and faster stimulation on the way to the second orgasm, meaning in bed I would be able to do faster and deeper thrusts. And thats good. Realize I didn't say I solved the problem of PE, but rather I solved the problem of not being able to please the girl. But I'm a practical man, if that works, I'm happy.
Conclusion: As long as I avoid that uncontrollable kegel spasm, I do not lose erection and drive despite ejaculation. I can't say for certain the orgasm part of it, but I can say the physical occurrence of cum exiting your member and kegel spasm seem to be two separate things. And by separating them, it could well be the route to MMO and overcoming the problems of PE
Question Time
I read Minuteman's log with immense interest and the most important difference I spotted seems to be his ability to do Dry Orgasms. I have ever had DOs in the past before but they were almost always retrograde ejaculations. Milky pee after that, not cool.
So my question is this: Does it matter whether wet or dry, as long as one can overcome losing erection and drive, that is the hallmark of MMO?
Kegel or RK, is it really about overcoming the spasm? My theory is once you allow the full spasm to happen, it somehow deactivates muscles or valves responsible for maintaining erection and it triggers some form of nervous response that shuts down sex drive.
Anyway I would like to share a bit about my own experience and in the process clear up some questions that I have. Recently, I've been trying edging as well as Kegels/Reverse Kegels. Below are some of my experiences and questions.
About Reverse Kegel
I am having good results with Reverse Kegels. I think the biggest advantage of RK is to fight the unconscious impulse to Kegel. Upon careful observation, I realized that I unknowingly have "mini kegels". All this unconscious mini Kegels, I believe, are what contributes significantly to PE. By doing RK every once in a while, it not only prevents and counters these mini-kegels but also relaxes your pelvic muscles generally.
Reflection: Looking back at bad experiences in bed, I realized that it must have been the mini kegels causing all the trouble. Very possibly even while I'm trying to "buy time" by pleasuring the girl with fingers and tongue, I'm unconsciously doing this mini kegel. So all the while when I think I'm relaxing my member and saving it for the final show, I was unconsciously bringing it near to PONR in the process. Explains why even lasting 30 seconds seem impossible to achieve.
I remember this particular instance when I was getting a blowjob. Me and this girl had quite abit of alcohol before that. Add that to a less than spacious car back seat and anxiety over getting spotted, my instinct to counter the whiskey dick and improve my EQ was to Kegel. It did overcome whiskey dick and improve EQ except that I also blew it after 1 minute.
Other times I would feel the urge to cum almost immediately upon penetration. If I'm a bit intoxicated, I might last tops 1 minute and I'm tired of having to rely on alcohol. I find the use of the scale of arousal from 1 to 10 where 1 is lame and 10 is PONR extremely useful in explaining this. Basically say 6 or 7 is a good normal erection, to get to 10 normally assuming one is completely relaxed would take moderate stimulation a good 10 minutes. But even without any direct stimulation but with unconscious mini kegel, I probably already reached 9.5 just before penetration. So by eliminating these mini kegels and maintaining a 7 upon penetration, you already earned yourself precious minutes.
Conclusion: Mini kegels bad, RK good. Or basically anything that prevents unwanted mini kegels.
About separation between Orgasm and Ejaculation
A lot of theories about MMO is built upon the premise that Orgasm is one thing, Ejaculation is another. During my last few times with edging and practice in general, I experienced the following twice:
I would hit near PONR and would breathe deeply and slowly, stop the stimulation, relax by staying perfectly still or RK. But I still overshot PONR and resulted in ejaculation but not the full blown ejaculation, but cum in smaller amounts just trickle out. It wasn't a mind blowing orgasm but definitely some pleasure involved. But the important distinction is this: First I did not experience the "uncontrollable kegel spasm" associated with normal full blown orgasm that sends your member pumping away for a good 30 seconds thereafter. Second, I maintained erection and went on to a second normal orgasm after that with full blown ejaculation.
Thinking back on how I did it: The first time I did it while holding RK. Basically you counter kegel impulse with reverse kegel since at any one time you can only either kegel or reverse kegel. Couldn't repeat it as my RK just couldn't fight the kegel spasm. The second time I did it holding kegel upon the triggering of the first wave of kegel spasm. That means I hold RK until I couldn't hold it anymore and allowed the kegel spasm to take place, but once the first uncontrollable kegel spasm happened I hijacked it by consciously kegeling just at the "apex" of the uncontrollable one. Both times I basically stopped the kegel spasm either with RK or K.
Practical application: This means as long as I can repeat this on the bed, I can overcome the problem of not being able to please the girl. Technically I still ejaculated, but I maintained erection and was in a state where I still wanted to continue unlike in a normal full blown orgasm that just makes me wanna sleep. Also, the desensitization allowed me way heavier and faster stimulation on the way to the second orgasm, meaning in bed I would be able to do faster and deeper thrusts. And thats good. Realize I didn't say I solved the problem of PE, but rather I solved the problem of not being able to please the girl. But I'm a practical man, if that works, I'm happy.
Conclusion: As long as I avoid that uncontrollable kegel spasm, I do not lose erection and drive despite ejaculation. I can't say for certain the orgasm part of it, but I can say the physical occurrence of cum exiting your member and kegel spasm seem to be two separate things. And by separating them, it could well be the route to MMO and overcoming the problems of PE
Question Time
I read Minuteman's log with immense interest and the most important difference I spotted seems to be his ability to do Dry Orgasms. I have ever had DOs in the past before but they were almost always retrograde ejaculations. Milky pee after that, not cool.
So my question is this: Does it matter whether wet or dry, as long as one can overcome losing erection and drive, that is the hallmark of MMO?
Kegel or RK, is it really about overcoming the spasm? My theory is once you allow the full spasm to happen, it somehow deactivates muscles or valves responsible for maintaining erection and it triggers some form of nervous response that shuts down sex drive.
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