Skeptic looking for proof
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someone should honestly lock this thread...
hit 11 pages of the best intentions that everyone here has
person is still skeptical... what u seen so far isnt enough?
my advice: dont start.
hit 11 pages of the best intentions that everyone here has
person is still skeptical... what u seen so far isnt enough?
my advice: dont start.
vulcan
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I hate to admit it, but this is kind of true. Hence, why recently I prefer/aspire to the physiques of athletes (decathletes, sprinters even MMA guys) because their bodies are more functional. I believe that the eye can detect what is not natural & rejects it.
I will say when I found Betterman site a couple years ago, by accident really, I was interested, surprised, excited and skeptical all at the same time. I read and read the threads, stories, logs, etc. I figured what the heck, can't hurt, I will try it and go from there. 3 months later I saw a little gain and said this is for real. Once my 2 year anniversary hits, I will work on a year to year basis.
Escando: For flaccid gains, try fowfers. Regarding the "vein issue", dude, the veins don't just show up overnight. PE only to the point you are comfortable with the change. Remember, too, that veins give her more of you to feel and enjoy.
More questions? I recommend you post to the Beginner's Forum. There's lots of good people that will share their knowledge.
More questions? I recommend you post to the Beginner's Forum. There's lots of good people that will share their knowledge.
PE doesn't work.NObody gain nothing.We are all pretending.There is your answer.now please leave and let us "pretend"
someone LOCK this THREAD PLEASE
someone LOCK this THREAD PLEASE
You're a bit confused. I have seen very scrawny guys with prominent veins. It's not just bodybuilders. I have had prominent veins when I was skinny myself (when I as much younger, now I have more muscle mass so I can't make that comparison as easily).
Good cardiovascular conditioning makes the veins more prominent. Low body fat exposes the veins. Period. Some people have a natural tendancy not to have veins pop out, but this is the exception, not the rule.
And just like with PE or working out, you're not always 'pumped'. The veins are not constantly monstrous. The veins are just bigger after a workout.
I thought I should clarify my first statement, because it seems you were a bit mislead by it--there you go.
A lot of words saying the same thing, bottom line he does it or doesn't. Can't do much else to prove sh*t to him. I have pics, he has access to them as well as articles and the rest of the site. His chocie, not ours.
If the thread provides no benefit to anyone, then I suppose it might as well be closed. I'm against too much negativity with no basis--as you said, its his word against ours. It's completely futile unless he tries it himself.
I vote go ahead & close it if you guys think is necessary.
I vote go ahead & close it if you guys think is necessary.
This thread, and this guy, have had far too much attention in my opinion. Yes I understand the irony behind me posting then lol.
We've gone from being considerate like how we would treat any newbie, to feeling rather insulted. He as good as called us all liars and suggested we're all conspiring to trick poor innocents such as himself into believing it.
Our time on the forums could be spent more productively I feel with other guys who need help. Ok I'm done.
We've gone from being considerate like how we would treat any newbie, to feeling rather insulted. He as good as called us all liars and suggested we're all conspiring to trick poor innocents such as himself into believing it.
Our time on the forums could be spent more productively I feel with other guys who need help. Ok I'm done.
Don't any of you guys feel good about reading this thread? I may be a bit weird but in a world where no one holds a door open anymore for someone else here are a bunch of guys trying to do something nice for someone who probably doesn't deserve it but here we are nonetheless. I think that stupid threads like these may bring out the best in some of us! Forget what skeptic writes about, look at what others wrote from the kindness in their hearts. Yea I know a bit sappy but you gotto love it!
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Yea but my post was sappy wasn't it! I guess it was my feminine side coming out! Maybe you younger guys don't know about this but back in the 70's (or 80"s I don't remember) men were supposed to look for their "femine side". I looked for years. If I had found it I wouldn't be here! ( I'd probably be in a closet somewhere getting both sides familiar with each other!)
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During the 60's and 70's, I was into "Iron John," and dancing with wolves, myself. I dealt with my feminine side much earlier.
Dear Skeptical,
As a medical doctor, I am too somewhat skeptical of PE. I am one-hundred percent certain, however, that it is possible to achieve “modest gains” by mere elastic deformation of penile structures. In fact, I have already experienced such gains, and am hoping to gather proof that it is possible to gain size through the generation of completely new tissue.
I believe it is safe to say that gains of over 1” in BPEL cannot only be attributed to elastic deformation and are strong evidence that PE stimulates “true growth”, i.e., cellular multiplication. Having said that, I have also not been able to find quality photographic proof on this website or elsewhere online. It must be because it is quite difficult to come up with such photos when you are trying to keep a full erection while straightening your penis with one hand and holding the ruler with the other. Therefore, substantial gains must be made prior to collecting such evidence, which I fully intend to accomplish once my short-term goals are met.
Cheers,
AF
As a medical doctor, I am too somewhat skeptical of PE. I am one-hundred percent certain, however, that it is possible to achieve “modest gains” by mere elastic deformation of penile structures. In fact, I have already experienced such gains, and am hoping to gather proof that it is possible to gain size through the generation of completely new tissue.
I believe it is safe to say that gains of over 1” in BPEL cannot only be attributed to elastic deformation and are strong evidence that PE stimulates “true growth”, i.e., cellular multiplication. Having said that, I have also not been able to find quality photographic proof on this website or elsewhere online. It must be because it is quite difficult to come up with such photos when you are trying to keep a full erection while straightening your penis with one hand and holding the ruler with the other. Therefore, substantial gains must be made prior to collecting such evidence, which I fully intend to accomplish once my short-term goals are met.
Cheers,
AF
In my case (for example), my wife doesn't want to take a picture of my penis for me.
It's pretty damn hard to hold the ruler & the erection in one hand, then use the camera with the other hand. I'm not a photographer either & the pictures are not that great. The problem is, by the time you get things right, you start to lose your erection and you can quickly lose a full 1" in size for the camera within seconds. I can probably get fine pictures without a ruler, but I figure those are not as valuable for demonstrating gains...
The other issue is my erection has a major upward angle & it points a bit off to one side, so it's quite hard to hold the ruler in place near my penis... It's even worse for guys with major curvature of the penis--they might need 2 hands to hold a ruler or tape in place for a photo. Aside from that, some of us are extremely private people; where either we or our significant other is not ok with our pictures being posted.
Anyway, as you mentioned, PE worked on you when you tried it. Through forums like these we have determined anyone can make pretty good gains with good consistency & determination; this is why we mostly just ask guys to try it out if they really want to know (and take good, accurate before & after measurements).
