Should Biological Men be allowed to compete in Womens Sports!

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Thoughts?

Example: Usain Bolt comes out as a Trans Athlete and Obliterates every World Record in the 100, 200, and 400 Meters
Possibly the 4 x 100 and 4 x 400 as well
 

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How many biological women are competing against men and how come they still have red tees on golf courses?
 
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It's all a question of rights and the perversion of those rights.
Upon birth you come into this world with either two X chromosomes or an X and a Y. At the time of your birth here in this country you have rights, boys and girls. That's how you start off. Now if you want to be another sex than somehow magically those rights have to be changed. How does any society exist when a person can change their "rights" whenever they so choose?
If you're a trans man no one says you can't play sports. You just have to play against the same people who have their rights that they didn't change. You deciding that you want to be a girl cannot supercede your original right given to you at birth. There are certain things that you can't just change the rules on. There are consequences upon your decision and those that want to change their sex should think about that. The country can't just change for you or there will be no order and society breaks down.
I am old enough to remember if a black married a white society frowned upon that. That couple knew what they were getting in for and yet their love for each other made them persevere. They didn't demand society change the rules; they just hoped that society would mature and do what's right. It did.
The trans movement doesn't want to wait and see it society matures and even accepts them let alone playing sports. They want it done now. These people. by their choice, have put themselves on the fringe of society and demand that they be treated equally not just equality under the law which they have but equality in all things. A trans man should be allowed to play against females even though they are physically bigger and stronger than females. That's their advantage from their original right by having an X and Y chromosome. You see that right really doesn't change. No matter how many drugs you take to transition it still doesn't change the fact that skeletally and muscle wise you still benefit from those 2 different chromosomes. It simply is unfair.
The trans world cries out for fairness yet they won't admit it is them that are actually being unfair.
 

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Not all people are born with X any y chromosomes properly aligned and need to assert their own rights based on how they feel. However when it comes to sports, they should be able to choose which “gender” they wish to compete in, but should not be allowed to compete in any championships in the sport they choose.
 

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How many biological women are competing against men and how come they still have red tees on golf courses?
Sadly, many of the Golf Courses my Bride and I play now have GREEN tee markers for the Ladies/Women. WOKE?
 

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Not all people are born with X any y chromosomes properly aligned and need to assert their own rights based on how they feel. However when it comes to sports, they should be able to choose which “gender” they wish to compete in, but should not be allowed to compete in any championships in the sport they choose.
The issue is that many College Scholarships are awarded by performance in their HS Sports. A man that identifies as a woman in track sprinting easily beats the true females.
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Usain Bolt in his High School Championships broke the Jamaican records in the 200m in 20.25 and the 400m in 45.35s.

The Women's World Records for the 200m and 400m are 21.34 & 47.60 seconds.
The Fastest Women in the World cannot compete with High School Boys!
 

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To answer the original question, do I think biological men should be able to compete in womens sports - no, I don't think they should.

It has more to do with muscle mass, bone density and increased average frame size given the hormonal environment it was developed in - even if it currently experiencing a different one now. It's analagous to being a wolf in sheeps' clothing, from the perspective of the women putting in hard work to compete against each other and here comes this individual with an innate biological unfair advantage that has been allowed to exploit it because of a societal loophole.

If there ends up being quite a few examples of trans athletes, it would be easier to place them in a category of their own - otherwise I just don't see how its fair to exploit your advantage over others.
 

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If there ends up being quite a few examples of trans athletes, it would be easier to place them in a category of their own - otherwise I just don't see how its fair to exploit your advantage over others.
in theory, the best solution.
 

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Not all people are born with X any y chromosomes properly aligned and need to assert their own rights based on how they feel. However when it comes to sports, they should be able to choose which “gender” they wish to compete in, but should not be allowed to compete in any championships in the sport they choose.
If chromosomes don't line up correctly that's called a birth defect. Chromosomes don't make you think or tell you how you feel. That comes from the enviroment you're around and biology has nothing to do with it.
 

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That study is wrong. There is no such thing as a 'gay' gene. Dr Ben Neale, a world famous genetocist said; It's effectively impossible to predict an individuals sexual behavior for their genome". Another study found that "sexuality cannot be pinned down by biology, psychology or life experiences";in other words no one is sure and if there is a genetic component it is so small as to be inconsequential.
 

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Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition.
 
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How many biological women are competing against men and how come they still have red tees on golf courses?
Many Golf courses have now gone WOKE. Red Tees are no longer.
They claim its disrespectful for the ladies!

According to the rules, Men that can't hit it past the Tees formerly known as the "Red" Womens Tees have to play the hole with Mr. Winky out for the entire hole!
 

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The so called women’s tees are now also known as senior tees. I plat with a bunch of guys in their 80s and we always use the “women’s” tees, but call them senior tees.
 

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Men should not be allowed to compete against women, it doesn't matter how mentally unstable they are or if their feelings get hurt.

They don't like it, tough sh*t
 

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Men should not be allowed to compete against women, it doesn't matter how mentally unstable they are or if their feelings get hurt.

They don't like it, tough sh*t
Yep. I am starting to see many of my extreme liberal friends who've become huge supporters of women's sports in the last few years conflicted on the topic. While they were once very much on the side of allowing any trans-athlete to participate as they pleased, now that they also want to so women in sports succeed, they're struggling to reconcile both ideas. It's pretty interesting to watch, really. I've been a fan of women sports for quite a while and know female collegiate athletes and the challenges that allowing biological men into those competitions puts in front of them.

That study is wrong. There is no such thing as a 'gay' gene. Dr Ben Neale, a world famous genetocist said; It's effectively impossible to predict an individuals sexual behavior for their genome". Another study found that "sexuality cannot be pinned down by biology, psychology or life experiences";in other words no one is sure and if there is a genetic component it is so small as to be inconsequential.
That's just opinion at this point and it's arrogant to think that we know what drives those emotions and decisions. Keep in mind that this subject of study is VERY new to us still. I have and have had countless numbers of friends - some of them very close to me - across the entire spectrum of sexuality and this subject is very complex and hardly understood still. It's possible that one day we'll know exactly what makes these determinations and it's possible that we never will. But to claim that we do now and that "these people are making 'choices'" or that they're purely a product of their environment, is hubris.

Gender Dysphoria is a mental condition.
Your opinion is not based on anything factual and it diminishes the difficult challenges that millions of people across the spectrum of sexual identify are faced with every day. There is no science that supports your assertion.
 

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It is good to hear someone discuss the subject in a rational, objective way. I happen to be liberal and I do not believe transgendered females should participate in competitive sports, but have no problem if they compete in recreational sports.
 

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It is good to hear someone discuss the subject in a rational, objective way. I happen to be liberal and I do not believe transgendered females should participate in competitive sports, but have no problem if they compete in recreational sports
So long as no women reject them participating.

They should only be allowed in CoEd sports. They shouldn't be allowed in any women's sport leagues at any level
 

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So long as no women reject them participating.

They should only be allowed in CoEd sports. They shouldn't be allowed in any women's sport leagues at any level
I disagree. Transgendered women have a right to participate in non competitive sports. True women have no right to exclude transgendered women from enjoy sports because they disagree with the preference someone else prefers. If they do not like it, they are free not to participate.
 

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I disagree. Transgendered women have a right to participate in non competitive sports. True women have no right to exclude transgendered women from enjoy sports because they disagree with the preference someone else prefers. If they do not like it, they are free not to participate.
I must ask what you mean by non competitive sports. I want to be sure I'd haven't misunderstood you