RestRDogs's log :)

[longerlastingnoob]

Refractory period is actually the time it would take before being able to ejaculate, many may be able to get erect and even somewhat aroused before their refractory period ( which is why a lot go for second round ). With prem e though the refractory period can be the opposite, not being aroused or become erect but still reach orgasm and ejaculate.

 

[RestRDogs]

know when im near ponr
so i today i started a new rk routine which is
10 x 10 sec
5 x 20 sec
1 x 60 sec
did it for the bc muscle and the pc muscle and while i edged i really felt like the muscles were "out"
set a goal of 25 minutes and started with balloning for 7 minutes untill i was 100% erected.
my purpose this session was to see until where i have control over my masturbation and keep it there.
i dont write keep my self at a controllable level of arousal because i feel that the masturbation brings me to ponr not the arousal,i feel that my arousal is the same when i can control my masturbation speed and grip and when im reaching ponr(i could be wrong).
2 and a half minutes after i started i came to ponr and two and a half minutes after the it happend again. back there i didnt really focused on when im in control or not, more on the effects of balloning before edging, and saw that beside getting a full erection it did nothing.
after that i focused on where i can control myself and when im crossing the line. that's where i really felt it, where i noticed when im crossing the line and getting near ponr, the main thing that i felt happening to me while im getting close to crossing this line is the feeling in my penis,an intense feeling that i have and when i feel a certain level of intensity i know that im on the edge of crossing the line and starting to get near ponr(should i try to keep it one level lower then that?)and thats pretty much was the session.
reached ponr like 5-6 times, half the time when i reached ponr i ballooned around it with no real purpose and the other the half i just rk'ed and waited for my dick to drop down to 60-70% erection and continued. i noticed that whenever i ballooned and started again, i could stay in control for a smaller amount of time rather then waiting for it to lose it's erection.
also didnt enter plateau, but that wasnt even my purpose so that's fine

so what do you guys has to say about this?
i want to focus and lasting longer at a controllable state, what tips do you have on that?

 

[longerlastingnoob]

When you get near ( almost crossing the line ) is when you balloon or stop and rk for a bit, don't drop down a level don't go up, don't even think about levels. Still keep focused so you don't blow, but just keep going, so you balloon for a bit, thats good, then back to full strokes, when ponr comes again, slow down, balloon, or just barely touch so your still stimulating but not going too far.

 

[RestRDogs]

When you get near ( almost crossing the line ) is when you balloon or stop and rk for a bit, don't drop down a level don't go up, don't even think about levels. Still keep focused so you don't blow, but just keep going, so you balloon for a bit, thats good, then back to full strokes, when ponr comes again, slow down, balloon, or just barely touch so your still stimulating but not going too far.

i can see how i can make progress from what you're saying but i just want to know if we understand each other
lets say that 7 is controllable 8 is near ponr , 9 is ponr which leads to 10 which is ejaculation.
the moment im talking about is the switch from 7 to 8, that sensation help me distinguish between 7 and 8 and you say that when im just about to reach ponr i should either ballon or stop and rk for a bit and that's so i would keep stimulation (stimulation = arousal?)
the thing i dont understand is that if my arousal level is 8 when im near ponr and then i ballon to keep it at 8, wouldnt i come right back to ponr?

 

[longerlastingnoob]

I don't use a scale, it's a metaphorical thing to help guys better understand the levels and themselves. But ok you meant 8, 9, 10 as in rising to ponr-orgasm. So when your near ( 7 or 8 ) thats when you start to feel good, sensitive, but try keep it there, at 7 or 8 without going too far. Should only be feeling good sensations, if you think your about to cum slow down, baloon, stop for a few secs at most if you have to. Want it continuous, as I said no matter how barely your touching yourself, a light finger on the frenulum if thats all you can manage, but it will feel way more intense than blindly whacking it going nowhere.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Don't bother seperate arousal and stimulation scales, for now just think one scale and do the above.

 

[RestRDogs]

thanks you very much, will definitely focus in that
for right now i think i would try to mainain lower level of stimulation untill i get used to it
and does 100% is a must?

 

[RestRDogs]

i meant 100% erection

 

[longerlastingnoob]

If you aren't 100% the whole time don't worry, but make it a goal to be 100% throughout.

 

[RestRDogs]

i can balloon before and get fully erected, but that would make me really aroused, wouldnt that be counterproductive?

 

[longerlastingnoob]

No, why counterproductive? You'd be very aroused so best time to edge, whole point is to work your way up, may not edge for very long or too intense, but hit your goal and keep improving.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

If you edged for 5 mins and then came, and started thinking "sh*t, blew it, this ain't gona work" think 5mins while really aroused and on the edge is progress, and focus on improving next time.

 

[RestRDogs]

alright bro thanks
will have time to edge tomorrow

 

[RestRDogs]

pretty neutral session
i balloned until i got 90-100% erected and started edging, first ponr came after 4 minutes with small pauses of 2-3 seconds, which is progress and after that i just edged and tried to maintain the masturbation as long as i could before reaching ponr and each time took 2-3 minutes, reached ponr alot, but that's how you start, work hard or go home.
whenever i reached ponr i tried to ballon to keep my self erected but wasnt so successful as my penis slowly started losing it's erection. it was only when a little semen came out and i used it as lube and balloned that i found out that i need lube to balloon properly and keep my self erected.
another thing i found out is that sometimes i was 90-100% erected and edged, and the erection started to go away abit to 70% and i still got to ponr and only when i stopped so i could relax, it was when my penis got erected again. it happened for several times.
also when i was reaching ponr i experienced very few ik in my bc muscle(the one in the base of the penis
that was pretty much it. pretty average session but still progressing in small steps

 

[RestRDogs]

had another session right now
balloned untill i was 100% erected and edged untill i reached first ponr after 2 and half minutes and it went like this the whole edging session, every 2 minutes give or take i reached ponr and after i reached ponr i balloned to keep the erection. toward the end i found a way to balloon in a certain motion and it was so sensational, made me rock hard.
anyway i feel like im doing something wrong because i dont see real progress every session i get to 2-2 and half minutes and reach ponr, im not negative about it i just think i dont do it right. like i start edging and i get to the part where im starting to get near ponr and try to slow down, and tighten the grip but quickly get to ponr.
another thing i noticed is i get fully erected and start edging, and every single time i start to lose my erection a bit but still can feel like im progressing into ponr and when i get to the part where i need to slow down and all that im starting to get my erection again.

what do you guys has to say

 

[longerlastingnoob]

Just keep doing what your doing, takes time to get used to it.

 

[RestRDogs]

yeah but its like, people suggest that you dont start imagine crazy thing so you wont get aroused and ejaculate fast, isnt ballooning causing the same effect? you arouse yourself to a high level and can cause the same thing that going wild with your imagination causes

 

[RestRDogs]

reverse kegeled
stretched
ballooned and then started edging
i guess i was aroused from the two session i had yesterday and the day before that and thats the reason i came to ponr every 1-1 and a half minutes, still not judging haha
ejaculated after 10 minutes and that's was it, pretty similar to yesterday but my questions still remain

yeah but its like, people suggest that you dont start imagine crazy thing so you wont get aroused and ejaculate fast, isnt ballooning causing the same effect? you arouse yourself to a high level and can cause the same thing that going wild with your imagination causes

another thing i noticed is i get fully erected and start edging, and every single time i start to lose my erection a bit but still can feel like im progressing into ponr and when i get to the part where i need to slow down and all that im starting to get my erection again.

and one more thing, i exprience ik when i balloon and get really aroused, similar when im reaching ponr, not much though.

 

[longerlastingnoob]

So you should keep ballooning but control it so you progress. So basically your saying if ballooning is getting you aroused and to ponr quick doing it is counterproductive, but if thats what sets you off then thats what you need to work on. Obviously not used to your glans being stimulated so ballooning isn't easy, but your only going to get used to it by doing it ( if it means you blow early first couple of times, fuck it, just have to keep plugging away ).
You can go the other route, don't balloon don't get too aroused, and just stroke it for ages until you decide to finish. Then after say 3 months, you can do this for an hour no problem, so you invite a girl round, she starts polishing your pole with her mouth (like intense ballooning ) you can't cope because you haven't been used to it.
Ponr is your friend, you want to stay as close to ponr as possible without losing control. I know it's difficult, when I first started I couldn't get my head around it either ( pun ) I was thinking "how can keep going on after ponr, if I don't blow after 1 second it ain't gona be much longer" but thats what you do, slow it down, balloon, use 1 finger lightly if you have to, once it's constant and you keep doing it weekly, the stops, slow downs will become less and less, how hard and fast you go will become more and more, until you reach your goal.
Set a 2 month goal from now, however long you edge for now your 2 month goal will be say an extra 20 mins. Say it's 40 mins total, you want that goal to be more or less 40 mins of constant edging.

 

[RestRDogs]

So you should keep ballooning but control it what do you mean by control it so you progress. So basically your saying if ballooning is getting you aroused and to ponr quick doing it is counterproductive, but if thats what sets you off then thats what you need to work on. Obviously not used to your glans being stimulated so ballooning isn't easy, but your only going to get used to it by doing it ( if it means you blow early first couple of times, fuck it, just have to keep plugging away ).
You can go the other route, don't balloon don't get too aroused, and just stroke it for ages until you decide to finish haha cant do that. Then after say 3 months, you can do this for an hour no problem, so you invite a girl round, she starts polishing your pole with her mouth (like intense ballooning ) you can't cope because you haven't been used to it.
Ponr is your friend, you want to stay as close to ponr as possible without losing control,again what do you mean by control. I know it's difficult, when I first started I couldn't get my head around it either ( pun ) I was thinking "how can keep going on after ponr, if I don't blow after 1 second it ain't gona be much longer" but thats what you do, slow it down, balloon, use 1 finger lightly if you have to, once it's constant and you keep doing it weekly, the stops, slow downs will become less and less, how hard and fast you go will become more and more, until you reach your goal.
Set a 2 month goal from now, however long you edge for now your 2 month goal will be say an extra 20 mins. Say it's 40 mins total, you want that goal to be more or less 40 mins of constant edging shouldnt i try to reach 20 minutes without reaching ponr first and then start increasing time? cuz then itll just be 40 minutes that im reaching more to ponr.

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