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This is really becoming one of those threads, do we need to discuss how everybody knows the names and dates of every dick survey that has ever been done. The average ding dong is around(I said around, not exactly) 5 and 1/2 to 6 inches. Now can we all just get back to worrying about our own goo shooting custard cannons or can we find more ways to discuss who knows more about dick size, odds are your all wrong about one thing or another on the subject of the size of the average love wand.

There is a significant minority of posters on PE sites (and indeed elsewhere) who consistently exaggerate the average penis size, with absolutely no evidence, barring dubious anecdotes. By definition PE sites also contain a number of men who are anxious about the size of their penis - as a moderator, I'm sure you already know this.

Some of these men are living in genuine misery because of their size anxiety. Often their feelings are based on completely erroneous beliefs - beliefs which are reinforced by some of the absolute nonsense posted about penis size by some individuals. I think this is extremely sad. As a consequence I often feel the need to challenge some of the rubbish posted.

In order to do this effectively, I believe it is important to draw attention to the facts, such as they are. The only appropriate method that comes to mind, is to refer to the surveys that have been conducted on the subject. If you feel this is boring, or disruptive, or unhelpful, then as a moderator it is always open to you to lock the thread, or ban me, or resort to whatever remedy you feel is necessary. It seems rather odd to criticise a thread and implicity criticise individual posters, by adding to that thread and therefore merely compounding the problem.
 
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Just wanted to thank you, drabman. Your logic made perfect sense to me. I am not the only one who finds it hard to believe that the average penis is around 5.5" BPEL but you have altered my thinking. It is so easy for us to believe what people say on such matters and to take their anecdotal experiences as facts. In person the only erect penis I have ever seen is my own (probably the same as the majority of men), so you could say that a man like myself is an absolute novice when it comes to penis sizes. This lack of knowledge makes it easy to believe what you hear without seeing any real factual evidence.
I have to say that I really enjoyed your input on this thread.
 

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Without wishing to dredge up the old 'penis size vs race' debate, there does seem to be good evidence that penises in south and east Asia are smaller than they are among men of either European or African heritage. Eg. a few years ago, Durex announced that it was going to start making smaller condoms for the Indian market, as rates of slippage (caused by condoms being too big) were significantly higher there than elsewhere. And what if there were some similar general truth about east-Asian men? When you consider India and China have by far the two biggest populations in the world, and add the other big countries in south and east Asia (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, the Koreas, Japan...) and you've probably got more than half people in the world. So if penises are, on average of course, slightly smaller in these regions, they can be slightly bigger among white and black guys, and hey presto, the world average comes out as 5.5" or thereabouts.
 
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Jesus H Christ. Give me a break.

drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like sh*t who are particularly touchy to this subject.

I laugh when I hear all the talk about porn using special angles, cameras, etc. Sure they do SOME of that...BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE LARGE PENISES...PERIOD!

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There is a significant minority of posters on PE sites (and indeed elsewhere) who consistently exaggerate the average penis size, with absolutely no evidence, barring dubious anecdotes. By definition PE sites also contain a number of men who are anxious about the size of their penis - as a moderator, I'm sure you already know this.

Some of these men are living in genuine misery because of their size anxiety. Often their feelings are based on completely erroneous beliefs - beliefs which are reinforced by some of the absolute nonsense posted about penis size by some individuals. I think this is extremely sad. As a consequence I often feel the need to challenge some of the rubbish posted.

In order to do this effectively, I believe it is important to draw attention to the facts, such as they are. The only appropriate method that comes to mind, is to refer to the surveys that have been conducted on the subject. If you feel this is boring, or disruptive, or unhelpful, then as a moderator it is always open to you to lock the thread, or ban me, or resort to whatever remedy you feel is necessary. It seems rather odd to criticise a thread and implicity criticise individual posters, by adding to that thread and therefore merely compounding the problem.
I am just stating that we dont need any more threads on the subject. Your ability to constantly show off the fact that you are a cunning linguist is getting old, using big words and referring to all the facts is getting old and your use of the multi quote button is getting boring and appears down right challenging. So however eloquently you would like to retort, I encourage you to do so but as the poster above me just pointed out you are beginning to come off as one arrogant son of a gun. Put me on the spot about banning you again and I will. State your case, just do it so you are not showcasing your use of the English language, please.
 
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Hey guys....
I'm 14" long and 9" around. Yep.
Well you better hit the JP 90, your almost average and should be ther soon, Ive been hanging for 8 days a week with 94 pounds for nine 40 minute sets a day and I am bigger than you by a foot, ha ha
I think the first eight inches was due to better EQ
 
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Well you better hit the JP 90, your almost average and should be ther soon, Ive been hanging for 8 days a wseek with 94 pounds for nine 40 minute sets a day and I am bigger than you by a foot, ha ha
I think the first eight inches was due to better EQ

I know... I just want to be average so badly!
 
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drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like sh*t who are particularly touchy to this subject.



Agreed.

He is like me. It gets old. Their are plenty of surveys (condom companies are the best source because of accuracy for the product) to get this information. The whole bigger than average is common thing gets old very fast. If you want to know average, look at most member's beginning stats (when they started). So the common thing don't really apply in a PE site, dude, when members here are about getting a larger one anyway. PLEASE!
 

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drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person. You're making people feel like sh*t who are particularly touchy to this subject.



Agreed.


Agree also.
 

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Im not just talking about 8 inchers.

Im not just talking about 8 inchers.

I dont know how this got stuck on 8". I was talking about big when you factor in girth also. IE- 7X5.5. I consider that to be a big penis. Hell 6X 5.5 is a big penis. More vollume than mine. I am also primarily talking about members before stats. It seems like every other guy here has a 5.5" girth or more. That may not be the case in the real world but here it is quite common and im talking about before stats. Am I the only one that has this perception? I appreciate the feedback but why is it that 80% of the respondants to this thread are huge. Where is all the "average" members? This fact just reinforces this perception.
 

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This is a false analogy. You are assuming that the populations and their asociated motivations and attitudes to their penises are the same on LPSG and PE sites.

LPSG is a site designed for guys who are unusually large. It is also a "show-off site" - you only need browse for a short while to realise that members are far more willing to post pictures of themselves than on most PE forums, where by definition many members will have some sort of issue with their penis size.

In spite of the huge number of photos on LPSG in general - and not just in the thread in question - it is very rare to find a credible photo clearly showing AN 8" NBP. It is staggeringly rare to find a photo of a penis bigger than this and to my knowledge a credible photo of a 10" penis has never been posted.
? Please, try not to tell me what I may or may not be assuming. You either attempted to bypass my argument or you simply did not fully comprehend what I posted. I'm dealing, as you claim to be, with facts. All I requested is that Syphon be consistent with his logical reasoning. He claimed that the absence of evidence of x is reason to believe in the true absence of x. I asked if that reasoning was consistent when applied to claims of penile enlargement and all I got was a bunch of bullshit and skirting the issue. I hope this makes it easier for you to understand.
 

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It is staggeringly rare to find a photo of a penis bigger than this and to my knowledge a credible photo of a 10" penis has never been posted.

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This is doublelongdaddy from M*****s of S*ze.
 
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I dont know how this got stuck on 8". I was talking about big when you factor in girth also. IE- 7X5.5. I consider that to be a big penis. Hell 6X 5.5 is a big penis. More vollume than mine. I am also primarily talking about members before stats. It seems like every other guy here has a 5.5" girth or more. That may not be the case in the real world but here it is quite common and im talking about before stats. Am I the only one that has this perception? I appreciate the feedback but why is it that 80% of the respondants to this thread are huge. Where is all the "average" members? This fact just reinforces this perception.

All you have to do is look at the beginning/starting stats if any are supplied or ask. Some people may be lying or exaggerating but really I don't know nor care because people do lie. Each to his own. So whether or not someone believes my stats, don't affect me because if I am lying then I will have to live with that; and regardless what point is there to lie when I know that there are dudes (whether lying or not) here packing a monster and that some are lying just like I accept the fact that average male height is 5'9 to 5'11. Most are within that height and some are smaller and some are bigger (another fact of life).
Do I believe that many are lying? I don't know nor care again but ,yes, so that one might not feel smaller than the another just like two rich men comparing income (knowing that one may be lying to make himself look bigger in riches to impress) but neither will ever see that others bank statements. Fact of life.
So just go by the condom companies and let it be the current stats that encourage you to do PE. The gains.
Peace.
 
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Rare but common. Is that a non-sequitur? How about an oxymoron.
 

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? Please, try not to tell me what I may or may not be assuming. You either attempted to bypass my argument or you simply did not fully comprehend what I posted. I'm dealing, as you claim to be, with facts. All I requested is that Syphon be consistent with his logical reasoning. He claimed that the absence of evidence of x is reason to believe in the true absence of x. I asked if that reasoning was consistent when applied to claims of penile enlargement and all I got was a bunch of bullshit and skirting the issue. I hope this makes it easier for you to understand.

I did not attempt to bypass your argument, or fail to fully comprehend what you posted. I was giving reasons why your analogy was false. Perhaps you have failed to understand what I posted.

There is a difference between arriving at a conclusion that is unsupported by the available data when that data is plentiful and self-consistent and formulating a theory by logically filling in the gaps when that data is extremely scarce. If there is little available data, then it is also necessary to ask why that might be before dismissing a particular theory.

LPSG contains a great many pictures of erect penises, yet the number of apparently genuine pictures of 8" NBP penises is vanishingly small. If those who believe that 8" NBP penises are more common than the surveys suggest are right, then they are underepresented on LPSG. Given that LPSG is a site specifically created for those with large penises, the only way to explain this is to argue that for some reason men with 8"NBP penises are more reluctant to show their penises than smaller men. Unfortunately this directly contradicts one of the central arguments of those that dismiss the surveys - i.e that huge men are MORE confident about showing themselves - and it is therefore self-evidently illogical to use Argument From Ignorance (the absence of evidence construct) in this case.

By contrast with LPSG most PE sites have relatively few pictures posted by members. Now this could be taken as evidence (not proof) that PE doesn't work, since there has been no controlled study to demonstrate that it does. I happen to believe that it does, but I can't empirically or axiomatically prove it to a skeptic and therefore I wouldn't try.

On the other hand you could argue that since those practising PE produce relatively few pictures regardless of success or failure, PE-ers as a group tend not to post pictures. You then need to find logical reasons why before you conclude that the lack of pictures is evidence that PE doesn't work.

It is perfectly logical to argue that those on PE sites will tend to have issues about their penis size and would therefore be reluctant to post pictures of their original size. Therefore it is not possible to definitively conclude that the lack of pictures is evidence that PE doesn't work - Argument From Ignorance applies in this case.

Arguing that the lack of pictures of 8"NBP penises on LPSG is further evidence to support the conclusions of numerous surveys that such penises are very rare, is not a case of Argument From Ignorance; rather it is the case that those disputing that argument - those who claim that huge penises are more common than surveys have found, are victims of Bertrand Russell's "Celestial Teapot analogy".

In the same way that the burden of proof is not on those who dispute the unfalsifiable claim that an undetectable giant teapot is orbiting the Sun, the burden of proof is not on those who dispute the fact that 8" penises and longer occur with greater frequency than any survey has ever found.
 
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This is doublelongdaddy from M*****s of S*ze.

There are those who have claimed that his pictures are photoshopped.

Here's a link, using a different photo of DLD.

http://www.angelfire.com/weird2/fake/
 

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This is doublelongdaddy from M*****s of S*ze.
Awh crud, just when I was starting to like my silly 6x5.

Oh the shame, the shame ...
 

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drabman, you may be smart but you're one hell of an arrogant person...

I don't accept that I am arrogant, simply because I respond forcefully to some of the pernicious myths that are consistently posted about penis size - largely due to the intense frustration of knowing that many men are being caused unnecessary anxiety by these myths. I have been subject to similar and worse treatment myself - i.e others have posted on other threads that my arguments are "BS" and so on and have belittled the points I made. I don't complain about it - I argue back. I don't recall any of the individuals who have attacked me here, including a moderator, pulling up those posters. The only difference appears to be that those accusing me of arrogance and the like disagree with me this time.

You're making people feel like sh*t who are particularly touchy to this subject...

Are you suggesting that I am adding to the penis size anxiety of members on this forum? I would dispute that completely. On the contrary, everything I have posted on this site has been posted with the benefit of such individuals in mind - I have been thanked more than once for doing this.

I would argue that it is you and all the others who consistently argue that the average penis size is larger than the research suggests and who insist that ridiculously huge penises actually exist, while producing no real evidence to support this - other than a procession of photoshopped pictures and anecdotes about women who claimed the surveys' average size is in reality small - who are adding to the anxiety of those who are already touchy about the subject.
 
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