PEGym fooled me about size.

[SirKhufu]

I haven't read all of the comments in this discussion but would like to interject one interesting fact that I can share from actual personal experience...

My wife and I are polyamorous or "non-monogamous" (sometimes called "open marriage") meaning we can have more than one long term partner. We are also involved in the "swinger" lifestyle and attend swinger parties fairly regularly. At these parties, you will find people who have truly experienced just about every penis size and shape on the spectrum along with just about every sexual skill level of the penis owners on the spectrum as well.

This is what I have learned...

While a larger penis can be quite visually appealing and for a VERY small percentage of women pleasurable, the general consensus is that as long as you are not WELL BELOW the 5.5"-6" "average", as long as you have some sexual SKILL and pay attention to your partner and their reaction, SIZE DOES NOT MATTER! The only complaints I have EVER heard are either about lack of skill (leaving her hanging), premature ejaculation without at least doing more to help her finish or the very rare mention of very a small penis (under 4"). To the contrary, I have heard MANY complaints about "well hung" (8+) guys who thought they were the end-all-beat-all of sexual perfection because they have this awesome penis but they severely lacked in true skill and either physically hurt the female by going too deep and too hard or they just got their own pleasure and left her wanting or needing more herself. That "huge cock ego" will ruin them every time!

This was even the topic of discussion on one of the swinger groups we are in today. The overwhelming majority of females involved all said it frustrates them when men "underestimate" their penis due to size. One even said this "Biggest pet peeve: Men who bad-mouth themselves because of size... It's all about skills guys!!". The woman who said it has been around the block a few times to say the least. So, I would trust her opinion over some young, inexperienced late teen or early twenties babe who has seen too many huge cocks in porn but hasn't experienced enough to know that they are not "all that"!

Now, let's look at it from a scientific and physical point of view.

Women experience the most sexual sensation in their clitoris, the vaginal opening walls and the "ridges" just on the inside top of the vagina itself (also known as the magical "G-Spot"! Guess what? You only need about 3" and a reasonable girth to stimulate all of these places if you know what you are doing! Add some oral and/or finger work and you can rock their worlds!

So... while even I, knowing the science and common sense of this, experience "penis envy" and would love to increase my own size at least a little bit, We all need to stop worrying about the size and paying more attention to our skills!! Our biggest enemy isn't our size, it's lack of skill and in some cases premature ejaculation. Guess what? These are probably the EASIEST problems to solve if we truly want to!

I'll close with this... My wife (who is also a member of this forum) has had everything from 2" erect to 11" erect. She has experienced every skill level from virgin to expert. She tells me... and YES, I do believe her... that I am the best lover she has ever had with my 5.5-6" "average" penis because I have learned SKILLS and techniques that rock her world both with and without my penis involved! I can make her "tap out" every time. If you really want to sexually OWN a woman, learn a few things about Tantra, "sensation play", SKILLFULLY edging them, mental sex and sexual energy. When you can take her to the point where she literally can't stop orgasming... and it just keeps coming in waves even when you stop doing everything... because you have taken her to such an intense level of sexual pleasure, you are doing something! I can guarantee that will get you farther in bed than an 8-12" cock.... EVERY. TIME... and have them come back begging for more!

Should we stop doing PE altogether? NO. I personally believe that doing things like PE to improve the health and aesthetics of our penis' and to make sure we benefit from the full potential of our penis should be taught in school! So, keep doing your PE guys. Just do it with a different purpose in mind and make learning how to be a better lover using more than just your penis a part of this process!

Cheers fellow PE'ers!

 

[Trapezius]

I have yet to see actual PE progress pictures where the shaft has signigicantly increased in length...though haven't seen proof.

Why the fuck you seek proof from pictures in yea 2018? I have grown almost only shaft length, ~1" more visible shaft.

be wary of talking about avarage though as avarage does not mean the size that women most often see. Maybe in america the mean penis size is 4.5-5.5" nbpel, but in some other countries it's far more. I think in my country the mean penis size is around 6.5-7" nbpel.

Women see random penises. Some small, some big and vast majority normal sized. Smallest guys may have lower self-esteem and do not seek sex partners so much because of that.

You from Norway or other Scandinavian Country. I'm from Scandinavia too, Finland. I've feeling that average here is just about what studies say. At 5.3" nbpel pre pe I was average during few women, not small. 6.5-7" nbpel my ass. I've asked this before: You have actually measured tens or hundreds of erect penises to be able to say anything about mean penis size? Have you even seen tens or hundreds of erect penises? I've seen none in my whole life.

Actually I just found out where your problems breed! You said you have below average flaccid size, but clearly above average erect length. So you make assumptions from other guys flaccid sizes. That's wrong. I had 4-4.7" flaccid and only 5.3" nbpel!

 

[closed299]

I haven't read all of the comments in this discussion but would like to interject one interesting fact that I can share from actual personal experience...

My wife and I are polyamorous or "non-monogamous" (sometimes called "open marriage") meaning we can have more than one long term partner. We are also involved in the "swinger" lifestyle and attend swinger parties fairly regularly. At these parties, you will find people who have truly experienced just about every penis size and shape on the spectrum along with just about every sexual skill level of the penis owners on the spectrum as well.

This is what I have learned...

While a larger penis can be quite visually appealing and for a VERY small percentage of women pleasurable, the general consensus is that as long as you are not WELL BELOW the 5.5"-6" "average", as long as you have some sexual SKILL and pay attention to your partner and their reaction, SIZE DOES NOT MATTER! The only complaints I have EVER heard are either about lack of skill (leaving her hanging), premature ejaculation without at least doing more to help her finish or the very rare mention of very a small penis (under 4"). To the contrary, I have heard MANY complaints about "well hung" (8+) guys who thought they were the end-all-beat-all of sexual perfection because they have this awesome penis but they severely lacked in true skill and either physically hurt the female by going too deep and too hard or they just got their own pleasure and left her wanting or needing more herself. That "huge cock ego" will ruin them every time!

This was even the topic of discussion on one of the swinger groups we are in today. The overwhelming majority of females involved all said it frustrates them when men "underestimate" their penis due to size. One even said this "Biggest pet peeve: Men who bad-mouth themselves because of size... It's all about skills guys!!". The woman who said it has been around the block a few times to say the least. So, I would trust her opinion over some young, inexperienced late teen or early twenties babe who has seen too many huge cocks in porn but hasn't experienced enough to know that they are not "all that"!

Now, let's look at it from a scientific and physical point of view.

Women experience the most sexual sensation in their clitoris, the vaginal opening walls and the "ridges" just on the inside top of the vagina itself (also known as the magical "G-Spot"! Guess what? You only need about 3" and a reasonable girth to stimulate all of these places if you know what you are doing! Add some oral and/or finger work and you can rock their worlds!

So... while even I, knowing the science and common sense of this, experience "penis envy" and would love to increase my own size at least a little bit, We all need to stop worrying about the size and paying more attention to our skills!! Our biggest enemy isn't our size, it's lack of skill and in some cases premature ejaculation. Guess what? These are probably the EASIEST problems to solve if we truly want to!

I'll close with this... My wife (who is also a member of this forum) has had everything from 2" erect to 11" erect. She has experienced every skill level from virgin to expert. She tells me... and YES, I do believe her... that I am the best lover she has ever had with my 5.5-6" "average" penis because I have learned SKILLS and techniques that rock her world both with and without my penis involved! I can make her "tap out" every time. If you really want to sexually OWN a woman, learn a few things about Tantra, "sensation play", SKILLFULLY edging them, mental sex and sexual energy. When you can take her to the point where she literally can't stop orgasming... and it just keeps coming in waves even when you stop doing everything... because you have taken her to such an intense level of sexual pleasure, you are doing something! I can guarantee that will get you farther in bed than an 8-12" cock.... EVERY. TIME... and have them come back begging for more!

Should we stop doing PE altogether? NO. I personally believe that doing things like PE to improve the health and aesthetics of our penis' and to make sure we benefit from the full potential of our penis should be taught in school! So, keep doing your PE guys. Just do it with a different purpose in mind and make learning how to be a better lover using more than just your penis a part of this process!

Cheers fellow PE'ers!

Completely agree! We shouldnt even give a fuck about size, just be confident what youve got and master your woman

 

[Big Al]

Completely agree! We shouldnt even give a fuck about size, just be confident what youve got and master your woman

A lack of confidence will be a much bigger turn off than most of the other complaints mentioned in this thread. A lack of confidence also contributes to issues like performance anxiety.

 

[SirKhufu]

Completely agree! We shouldnt even give a fuck about size, just be confident what youve got and master your woman

I'll add this for those guys who do come across the few females that are all about the size...

As long as you develop some skill and techniques to blow their minds... if they turn you down because of what they determine is "too small" of a penis before you have the chance to show them what real sexual pleasure is all about, then they are very shallow, likely inexperienced and statistically more likely to be self centered partners in the long run and even cheat on you. Run. Run FAST. You don't need them in your life no matter how "hot" or "sexy" they may be! Don't sell yourself... um... "short"... just to score the hot chick! Don't let them project THEIR lack of experience as an attack on your penis size! Simply smile, tell them they don't know what they are missing and walk away. It's THEIR loss, not yours!

I used to let my penis size dominate my sexual prowess. I don't anymore. Yes, I still experience insecurities around other men who have more than me but I quickly overcome that when I think of some of the sexual experiences I have had where I left the woman in a quivering pile of spent bliss that took them a while to recover from and crying because they had such an intense experience and emotional release that for some reaches the level of spiritual... and I laugh because most "well hung" men will never experience that with their shallow sexual skills using just their penis because that is all they know.

I'm telling you guys... learn what real sexuality is all about... learn how to "mind fuck" them (in a good way using mental sexuality) before you ever even whip your penis out... learn how to take them to new levels of sexual pleasure that don't even involve your penis... You (and your sexual partners) will never be the same once you do and you will become a sexual legend among those who have experienced what you can do

If we can spend hours pulling, tugging, stretching and abusing our penis' to boost our sexual egos, we can also spend a few hours here and there learning more about the female anatomy... proven sexual techniques... ancient ways of taking sexuality to levels that have been lost over the years... we can spend a few hours learning how to become better lovers with what we have! Then, add a little increase from PE and you can be a sexual GOD if that is what you desire!

 

[RedWilly]

So you had sexwith her many times, but she asked for pictures, so she could know how your dick looks? Am I missing something or the story doesn't make any sense?

Either way, people who say 7" nbpel is small or average are trying to be rude, offend you, are insecure of themselfes or simply are clueless of how it looks (like every single girl, since they have no dicks, and I have never heard of a girl that before or after sex took a ruler and measured her partners dick to make sure).
It's nothing to worry about when you're that big. If somebody says otherwise, it might mean he/she tries to put you down and most likely isn't worth spending your precious time with.

We had sex multiple times, she didn't really see my dick cause we were always drunk fucking in the dark. But she made it a point to say I do not have a big dick. We did have sex in the morning sometimes but under the covers.... So yes, she never really saw it and I suspect it was because I never went deep, and my girth is average-ish at about 5.

 

[SirKhufu]

We had sex multiple times, she didn't really see my dick cause we were always drunk fucking in the dark. But she made it a point to say I do not have a big dick.

Ok.. I see a number of issues in this statement but I will focus on the primary one...

If you were both drunk and always fucking in the dark, how can she be any judge of your penis size? If she's drunk AND in the dark, her perception of the size of ANYTHING will be quite skewed and totally inaccurate to say the least. So, this should not be taken to heart.

What she was actually saying was that, in her drunken state, you did not make her FEEL your penis, regardless of the size, and that reflects more on YOU and your lack of skill than her. I wont go into the fact that she was pretty shallow to even say it. What matters here is that YOU did not do everything YOU could do to make this a mind blowing experience for her! If you had rocker her world in more ways than just penetrating her with your penis and pumping relentlessly until you reached orgasm, I can guarantee she would not have even taken your size into account!

I'm not trying to slam you here so don't take it like that. I am just trying to point out that this could have gone differently if you had done more to pleasure her. It is NOT about the penis size, my friend... it's about the mark you leave on her sexually and that takes more than just a penis!

If you take nothing else from what I say here than this...

Sexuality for men is 10% emotional and 90% physical...
Sexuality for women is 90% emotional and 10% physical!

This means if you want to make a woman remember you positively in a sexual way, you have to pleasure her EMOTIONALLY more than PHYSICALLY! This takes skills, foreplay, techniques, etc that don't always involve your penis!

Look at the situation from a different perspective and you will see that it is easy to blame penis size for lack of sexual pleasure because that is what women these days are taught that sexual pleasure comes from. The only way to change that is to show them it's not the case!

LEARN to be a better lover and they will think you are hung like a horse because you make them FEEL like they were drilled with a horse cock even if you never even use your penis!

 

[Cavalier]

We had sex multiple times, she didn't really see my dick cause we were always drunk fucking in the dark. But she made it a point to say I do not have a big dick. We did have sex in the morning sometimes but under the covers.... So yes, she never really saw it and I suspect it was because I never went deep, and my girth is average-ish at about 5.

So she didn't see it and you didn't stick it in all the way? I suppose it would have felt average to her then.

 

[Sinnaman]

We had sex multiple times, she didn't really see my dick cause we were always drunk fucking in the dark. But she made it a point to say I do not have a big dick. We did have sex in the morning sometimes but under the covers.... So yes, she never really saw it and I suspect it was because I never went deep, and my girth is average-ish at about 5.

I think girth is the ultimate determinant to women of a big dick. I'm about the same girth, a little less length but I think if I was 5.5 girth it'd fall into the big category.

 

[Thug]

I'll just quote a very interesting post from a (ex?)porn actor (username 'jaketaylor'):

That depends on the girl but most in the porn industry would prefer a larger dick I'd say a 5.25 to 5.5in girth is great in their personal lives, (a few size queens I've heard of might prefer 5.5-6) but for a scene the smaller is always better (vaginas weren't meant to take a 30min pounding every other day, a lot of girls get injured). But I can definitively say that anything past 5.75in girth some girls have trouble taking at first. I was about 5.6 for a long time and more than a few girls in the porn industry would say I was thick. At 5.9 and 10eq/hardness now there are very few guys that beat my girth in the industry only some of the monsters. Shane diesel, jack Napier, Erick Everhard and Dane cross (Dane cross is only about 6in long but has over a 6in girth lol it's weird looking) are the only ones I can think of..I'm sure there are a few others. And that dumbass Erick Everhard claims to have an 8in girth but its about 7 and only at the base. (Hate guys who lie)

In conclusion if your at or over 5.25in girth and 6in long no pornstar will think your small. I will say they'd probably look at a 5.75 or less differently and anything at or under 5in girth.

But who the fuck cares what they think...their minds are totally warped from porn.

I said this before but I always speak in terms of BPEL. So yes at your size you may be considered "big" but you wouldn't get booked for it frequently. I'd say 7.5 is the standard for "big dick" porn I said 7.25 as a minimum.

He's been talking about BPEL (!!!) lengths as he clarified later. If porn industry calls 7 or 7.25 bpel a big penis, then how come you guys keep insisting you - being around 7 nbpel - are small or average? There is nothing to be sad or angry about apart from these "mind warped" size queens, spurting sh*t from their toxic mouths.

 

[closed299]

I'll just quote a very interesting post from a (ex?)porn actor (username 'jaketaylor'):





He's been talking about BPEL (!!!) lengths as he clarified later. If porn industry calls 7 or 7.25 bpel a big penis, then how come you guys keep insisting you - being around 7 nbpel - are small or average? There is nothing to be sad or angry about apart from these "mind warped" size queens, spurting sh*t from their toxic mouths.

Its always the young immature girls who mske these comments as they have never had real sex theyve just been jackhammered by their young “huge” boyfriends. Wouldnt know what amazing sex is because they probably “learn” everything from porn

 

[pfm]

I think typically guys will tell their girls for example, " I have an 8 inch cock " and probably are measuring sides or ventral lengths (non dorsal measures). The majority of males have no idea how to measure correctly and assume whatever gives me the biggest number is my length and in a sense they aren't lying; the differences can be up to 2 inches or more from dorsal measure. If the guy guides the girl if she is inclined to measure she will find the same results and not know any better if it never goes any further than word of mouth methodology. I've seen guys on LPSG constantly measuring incorrectly and resist the criticism they are not measuring properly; they even take common household items and do side to side comparisons trying to demonstrate incorrectly how long they are.

 

[dxbpe]

Just let your girl measure the backside of your dick while shes sitting in front of you. Thats an easy +4CM. At least for me.
And btw 18cm is above average EVERYWHERE.

 

[everydaynormalguy]

I kinda agree with pecker about this size doesn`t make you feel really confident...it`s a little bit subjective,but no doubt that if you are 21+ you are not going to fill that way.Still,It`s not "bad" size and some people are going to be fine with it and don`t bother...but 100 % honestly can say that the idea to get nude in front of a girl makes my stomatch hurt.Not that I am not going to do it and avoid it,but I am still going to fill worried inside my mind,no doubt about it.

Now about the story: I don`t buy that story like proof of anything.Relax! I agree with some general views about this specific size(like I said above),but just the story is not strong evidence at all.

First nobody knows how other people measure so throwing some numbers in front of random people (not PE members that knows this stuff in details)is not very accurate approach.Some of this guys with smug faces probably thinks he is bigger,but measure different and it`s actually smaller.And girls probably don`t know sh*t about real numbers of guys they slept with.So it`s one thing if this people on the party actually see your penis and completely different thing judging some number you said.

Also talking about this stuff in a party,in that envoirment...I can tell you upfront what they are going to tell you,even without knowing your size and without knowing the people.Imagine if you are alone with one of this girls or guys,casual envoirment...I bet that they are not going to react that way and going to tell you something possitive.People act one way when they are on herds and different when they are alone.In your case some of the girls are trying to act cocky and the other one giggle because they are girls and this is what they do and guys watching some show and just waiting to make fun of somebody.Nothing new and surprising about the story.I could have told you about the reacton they are going to have.

 

[Bobikar]

I kinda agree with pecker about this size doesn`t make you feel really confident...it`s a little bit subjective,but no doubt that if you are 21+ you are not going to fill that way.Still,It`s not "bad" size and some people are going to be fine with it and don`t bother...but 100 % honestly can say that the idea to get nude in front of a girl makes my stomatch hurt.Not that I am not going to do it and avoid it,but I am still going to fill worried inside my mind,no doubt about it.

Now about the story: I don`t buy that story like proof of anything.Relax! I agree with some general views about this specific size(like I said above),but just the story is not strong evidence at all.

First nobody knows how other people measure so throwing some numbers in front of random people (not PE members that knows this stuff in details)is not very accurate approach.Some of this guys with smug faces probably thinks he is bigger,but measure different and it`s actually smaller.And girls probably don`t know sh*t about real numbers of guys they slept with.So it`s one thing if this people on the party actually see your penis and completely different thing judging some number you said.

Also talking about this stuff in a party,in that envoirment...I can tell you upfront what they are going to tell you,even without knowing your size and without knowing the people.Imagine if you are alone with one of this girls or guys,casual envoirment...I bet that they are not going to react that way and going to tell you something possitive.People act one way when they are on herds and different when they are alone.In your case some of the girls are trying to act cocky and the other one giggle because they are girls and this is what they do and guys watching some show and just waiting to make fun of somebody.Nothing new and surprising about the story.I could have told you about the reacton they are going to have.

I’m agree with you in 100%.

 

[Trapezius]

I kinda agree with pecker about this size doesn`t make you feel really confident...it`s a little bit subjective,but no doubt that if you are 21+ you are not going to fill that way.Still,It`s not "bad" size and some people are going to be fine with it and don`t bother...but 100 % honestly can say that the idea to get nude in front of a girl makes my stomatch hurt.Not that I am not going to do it and avoid it,but I am still going to fill worried inside my mind,no doubt about it.

It's all subjective and all in the head. When I was young before meeting my wife I didn't have any insecurity with average 6" bpel (maybe 5.3" nbp) and 5.1" eg dick. The subject of size just wasnt in my mind at all. That's healthy mind.

I would think that quite many about same sized average guy don't have any problems. At least my generation (I'm 33) and older guys it wasnt problem. I don't know if young guys nowadays are all insecure with average. But I must say that if you are insecure about your length when 18 or 19 cm non bone pressed, then you have major mental health problems.

 

[Phoenix7672]

Go look at BDP on Reddit. Most of the posters are between 7-8". This is a sub for people with big dicks.. 1 in every like 7 posters has a 9" and even then, they could be measuring wrong.

Actually that's not true...there used to be a few 9s, then a lot, then a few 10s, then a lot, now a few 11s. Given the sizes people seem to be stating, I fully believe by 2025 the average penis on BDP will probably hover around 30" long, and about 12" thick. lol

Although the stats are likely dated, for shits and giggles CalcSD has a dataset for BDP...if you want to see how you compare to the numbers people are claiming to be:

https://calcsd.bitballoon.com/full (just remember to change it to inches and choose the dataset you want).

Apparently I'm only 20% are longer than me hard, but sadly 73% also are thicker than me. Also somehow only 2% are longer than me flaccid. I guess people don't inflate flaccid size that much? lol

 

[TANGO 5/10]

I haven't read all of the comments in this discussion but would like to interject one interesting fact that I can share from actual personal experience...

My wife and I are polyamorous or "non-monogamous" (sometimes called "open marriage") meaning we can have more than one long term partner. We are also involved in the "swinger" lifestyle and attend swinger parties fairly regularly. At these parties, you will find people who have truly experienced just about every penis size and shape on the spectrum along with just about every sexual skill level of the penis owners on the spectrum as well.

This is what I have learned...

While a larger penis can be quite visually appealing and for a VERY small percentage of women pleasurable, the general consensus is that as long as you are not WELL BELOW the 5.5"-6" "average", as long as you have some sexual SKILL and pay attention to your partner and their reaction, SIZE DOES NOT MATTER! The only complaints I have EVER heard are either about lack of skill (leaving her hanging), premature ejaculation without at least doing more to help her finish or the very rare mention of very a small penis (under 4"). To the contrary, I have heard MANY complaints about "well hung" (8+) guys who thought they were the end-all-beat-all of sexual perfection because they have this awesome penis but they severely lacked in true skill and either physically hurt the female by going too deep and too hard or they just got their own pleasure and left her wanting or needing more herself. That "huge cock ego" will ruin them every time!

This was even the topic of discussion on one of the swinger groups we are in today. The overwhelming majority of females involved all said it frustrates them when men "underestimate" their penis due to size. One even said this "Biggest pet peeve: Men who bad-mouth themselves because of size... It's all about skills guys!!". The woman who said it has been around the block a few times to say the least. So, I would trust her opinion over some young, inexperienced late teen or early twenties babe who has seen too many huge cocks in porn but hasn't experienced enough to know that they are not "all that"!

Now, let's look at it from a scientific and physical point of view.

Women experience the most sexual sensation in their clitoris, the vaginal opening walls and the "ridges" just on the inside top of the vagina itself (also known as the magical "G-Spot"! Guess what? You only need about 3" and a reasonable girth to stimulate all of these places if you know what you are doing! Add some oral and/or finger work and you can rock their worlds!

So... while even I, knowing the science and common sense of this, experience "penis envy" and would love to increase my own size at least a little bit, We all need to stop worrying about the size and paying more attention to our skills!! Our biggest enemy isn't our size, it's lack of skill and in some cases premature ejaculation. Guess what? These are probably the EASIEST problems to solve if we truly want to!

I'll close with this... My wife (who is also a member of this forum) has had everything from 2" erect to 11" erect. She has experienced every skill level from virgin to expert. She tells me... and YES, I do believe her... that I am the best lover she has ever had with my 5.5-6" "average" penis because I have learned SKILLS and techniques that rock her world both with and without my penis involved! I can make her "tap out" every time. If you really want to sexually OWN a woman, learn a few things about Tantra, "sensation play", SKILLFULLY edging them, mental sex and sexual energy. When you can take her to the point where she literally can't stop orgasming... and it just keeps coming in waves even when you stop doing everything... because you have taken her to such an intense level of sexual pleasure, you are doing something! I can guarantee that will get you farther in bed than an 8-12" cock.... EVERY. TIME... and have them come back begging for more!

Should we stop doing PE altogether? NO. I personally believe that doing things like PE to improve the health and aesthetics of our penis' and to make sure we benefit from the full potential of our penis should be taught in school! So, keep doing your PE guys. Just do it with a different purpose in mind and make learning how to be a better lover using more than just your penis a part of this process!

Cheers fellow PE'ers!

LOL , I always said a Woman has to be pretty secure with her man or a outright FREAK to do the swingers lifestyle. Also vice versa.

My brother is into that & been with a club for IDK how long. This dude & his wife went to Hawaii a few years back for the freak gettaway with their club. Paying $$$ to keep everything good to go & making sure everyone is healthy not passing STDs.

I've been married 14 years & together for 16.
My brother has been married 25 years & with his spouse 29 year's. I just don't see how they work that lifestyle because to me it seems like a huge headache. Maybe it's because they a West Coast couple & I stay on the EAST coast . West Coast is always a little CRAY CRAY CRAZY with the lifestyle.

I see you mentioned the Tantric Sex skills & having intercourse without ejaculation is beyond me. Some dudes can do it but I cannot seem to figure it out.

 

[Road28]

I have yet to see actual PE progress pictures where the shaft has signigicantly increased in length, I've seen pictures where the glans has become longer and the penis has clearly been more "detached" from the body from ligament lengthening but haven't seen any pictures with tissue added to the shaft yet. I would think that the ligaments would be the first thing to give out from traditional stretching. Clamping, tug of war stretching and pumping might produce a longer shaft though haven't seen proof.

I tend to think the cases where people have gained in shaft size is mostly from reverting natural shrinkage. Because shrinkage is a well documented side effect from infrequent and too short erectile activity.

be wary of talking about avarage though as avarage does not mean the size that women most often see. Maybe in america the mean penis size is 4.5-5.5" nbpel, but in some other countries it's far more. I think in my country the mean penis size is around 6.5-7" nbpel.

Also Shorty mac is a true 8+ nbpel, it's easily deductible from the measuring against a VHS tape scenes. I would say shorty mac is a great example of the starting size of "monster". even if he had avarage girth the length would make it seem really big in womens eyes.

Hmm dude I have after pics on reddit (username nofapper141) but havent uploaded before pics when I was just and just 7 inches in length. I could post the before after pics in pegym if people are interested and there is a big difference between the two especially shaft size wise. I dont see the point of befoee after pics tho as we all know PE works.

I actually agree with your average estimate. You come from sweden right? Ive been in public swedish saunas and been below average quite easily. Every 3rd guy in the Swedish saunas are walking with a 6 inch floppy dick. Finland has smaller dicks though, but not by much. I still see like two 5-6inch flaccid dicks out of 40 guys. Average being 6.5 nbpel is very realistic at least in northern europe. I dont see why it wouldn't be for other europe as well

 

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But I must say that if you are insecure about your length when 18 or 19 cm non bone pressed, then you have major mental health problems.

Looks like I have mental health problems lol