I cant seem to grasp what my issue is with pre e. Whether im nervous or calm and relaxed it always is the same. 2 seconds im done. So i know its not psychological. But rks dont seem to work for me long term either. Its very frustrating. Hopefully this thread will become a very informative thread.
Kegel/Reverse Kegel/Pelvic Balance [SUCCESS STORIES]
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I cant seem to grasp what my issue is with pre e. Whether im nervous or calm and relaxed it always is the same. 2 seconds im done. So i know its not psychological. But rks dont seem to work for me long term either. Its very frustrating. Hopefully this thread will become a very informative thread.
sure thankfully the RULE NO. 6 is there for everyone to feel free to list mental, arousal, concentration, stamina and any other techniques they think contributed to K/RK... they can add how often they performed them and links to threads with guides and training material...
i hope that THE 6 RULES OF SUCCESS may be helpfull EVEN BEYOND K/RK... if people answer all 6 answers and it becomes clear that K/RK was only a PART OF THEIR SUCCESS we will still have one of a hack thread to come back to and see plain and simple examples of SUCCESSES with plenty of vital details and statistics... seeing stories containing honest answers to RULES 1,2,3 ALONE - WOULD GIVE ME SO MUCH MORE HOPE WHILE ALSO PAINTING VERY CLEAR OVERVIEW ON HOW ARE OTHER DOING...
also THE 6 RULES OF SUCCESS do very beneficial thing on internet, they filter out all the theory, discussions ("what if" and "maybe this if that") and mercileslly focus on RESULTS (AKA REAL SEX - PENIS IN VAGINA) and thats what needs to be our main focus... the rest is just training and talking before entering The Ring...
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OK i added 2nd edit to the ORIGINAL POST - sorry for everyone who already replied... here is the edit... i didnt do any rewrites - only added "comment" based on suggestions from everyone...
>>> after lot of objections from users that K/RK routine was never recommended as the only/sole cure, but should always be used IN COMBINATION with other cures (especially arousal and mental training), it is stressed to list SIGNIFICANT "complementary cures" you used along the K/RK routine to cure yourself - please list them in RULE NO.6 and add how often you performed these "complementary cures" so readers can compare how often you did K/RK compared to "complementary cures" - keep the list short and simple and remember that rules 1,2,3 STILL APPLY <<<
>>> after lot of objections from users that K/RK routine was never recommended as the only/sole cure, but should always be used IN COMBINATION with other cures (especially arousal and mental training), it is stressed to list SIGNIFICANT "complementary cures" you used along the K/RK routine to cure yourself - please list them in RULE NO.6 and add how often you performed these "complementary cures" so readers can compare how often you did K/RK compared to "complementary cures" - keep the list short and simple and remember that rules 1,2,3 STILL APPLY <<<
I know this thread is very new but with all the talk on here of rks curing pe so well im amazed not a single person has answered yet saying yes it cured them. The title of this thread alone should be enough for the "successful" ones to notice and respond.
Even in the sucess stories thread there are not many. But many many pages of people trying to find solutions.
Even in the sucess stories thread there are not many. But many many pages of people trying to find solutions.
eazy8228> its too early... iam not even sure what is the number of visitors to PEGYM per day, let alone Sunday (this is certainly not facebook so members do not refresh it daily, some may visit once a month or less) it will take days or weeks before all current users pay a visit to PEGYM forum and only a percentage of them are cured... also those who are REALLY CURED probably do not come back to PEGYM that often if ever - they have better things to do now 
... so the SUCCESS STORIES may come either from previously cured users who keep coming back and posting to PEGYM (the veterans), or very recently cured people and in the future people who are in training phase AS WE SPEAK and will hopefully become NEXT SUCCESSFUL MEMBERS in coming weeks/months/years when their CURRENT TRAINING turns into FUTURE REAL SEX SUCCESS (assuming they can answer all 6 RULES OF SUCCESS)...
... so the SUCCESS STORIES may come either from previously cured users who keep coming back and posting to PEGYM (the veterans), or very recently cured people and in the future people who are in training phase AS WE SPEAK and will hopefully become NEXT SUCCESSFUL MEMBERS in coming weeks/months/years when their CURRENT TRAINING turns into FUTURE REAL SEX SUCCESS (assuming they can answer all 6 RULES OF SUCCESS)...
I think this is an important little bit of research. I am going to try and answer to the OP, even though, strictly speaking, I am not sure if I do it in with all the very stringent rules. (I fear that the strictness of the rules might lead a number of people, who do have important input, to bypass the thread). A couple of comments then my story:
1) RULE NO.1 "REAL SEX ONLY"
I’m not sure how you expect us to prove vaginal success (I am not posting videos), but I think I have had some.
2) RULE NO.2 "REPEATIBILITY"
The 5~10 restriction is one thing I am talking about. I have had almost that much. I am not “cured”, I am in control. I think any success is valid, if there is only one time that is important because we can look at what was involved and if there are other factors.
6) RULE NO.6 "OTHER INGREDIENTS"
This is important, especially when related to my comments in 2.
The last few times I had “real” sex with my wife I was able to last in the 20 minute range without getting higher than an 8 on the PONR scale. I have not hit 10 times, but I am at about 7 or 8.
I have done kegels for years. Starting in about 2005 regularly. I did about 200 tense and release kegels daily for about 10 years. I also would do tense, count to 5 then release to a count of 20 about 2~3 times a week. The ratio was about 200:0 kegels to Reverse. I would often have involuntary kegels.
I often would do kegels at the start of edging to try and pump up the erection. I hold a kegel to a count of ten jerks for 10 reps. Last couple of years I started to add in reverse , then reverse kegel to a count of 10 jerks. I have discontinued this practice for the last month or so and am not sure if I will continue.
In 2015 I learned of reverse kegels. It took to about summer 2016 to get them done properly. Starting then I added reverse kegels to my routine. At first it was about a ratio of 5:1. Then from about last summer I would generally do a kegel to a count of five then revers kegel to a count of five, thirty reps, and then about 30 rolling kegels. All in all 2~3 times daily. So the ratio is about 1:1.
I also do both while doing yoga. Specifically in the cat stretch, as I arch my back up I roll a kegel from front to back, and as I relax it down I do a reverse.
Back in 2005 or so I often could not last. I would usually be able to do 2~5 minutes before I started to see that PONR. From time to time it would be right as I entered her. Once in a while I could last 10~15 minutes. When I get close to the PONR I tried to kegel to hold it back.
The last year and a half I have been using reveres kegels when I get close. There were times when I was able to power through until she came then would pull out and let loose.
Now we can do it for a long time. 15~20 minutes, and generally she wears out first.
I do edging daily, but I use that as a chance to focus on the pelvic floor and not kegel and use reverse kegels to stay in command. I usually get up to the edge about 4 times per session. I've been doing that since beginning of 2015.
In the last 6 weeks have started ballooning regularly. I get myself up to maximum EQ and try to stay there without getting anywhere near the PONR. I focus keep the pelvic floor relaxed and control the involuntary kegels.
I do do yoga 5 times a week, and it includes hindi squats and other exercises to release tension in the pelvic floor. I exercise regularly.
I take supplements but nothing related to this.
Summing up. I started in 2005, but only really had any idea what to do for a good routine in 2015. I have kept the ratio of kegel to reverse 1:1 for the last year. I have gone from maximum 5 minutes to 20 minutes (or even more).
incogneeetoe> great post thanks for it, despite your initial concerns you answered all 6 RULES OF SUCCESS
to reply to your initial concerns although they were i guess rhetoric because you complied easily to all 6 rules>
RULES 1 and 2 are very necessary because they separate TRAINING and/or RANDOM SUCCESSES from REAL LASTING CURE... everyone had those special nights with a girl where he could last way longer, many will quickly jump to conclusions and start writing walls of text on how they ARE CURED, only to discover next time they are with a girl they are back to 10 strokes... for some single guys without regular girlfriend 5-10 intercourses with a woman may take longer to achieve but hey, thats life... this thread is about REAL CURE and nobody cares about one time MIRACLES or 1 in 10 LOTTERY CHANCE... better wait (and prove for yourself) than sorry... if there is one time succes, GOOD FOR YOU, learn from it and if you can repeat it 5 times come here and TELL US... YOU WILL BE CELEBRATED... if you can repeat it 10+ times you will become AN IMORTAL HERO - the repeatibility (the number of success you had) is preciesly what distinguishes promising cure from amazing cure...
to reply to your initial concerns although they were i guess rhetoric because you complied easily to all 6 rules>
RULES 1 and 2 are very necessary because they separate TRAINING and/or RANDOM SUCCESSES from REAL LASTING CURE... everyone had those special nights with a girl where he could last way longer, many will quickly jump to conclusions and start writing walls of text on how they ARE CURED, only to discover next time they are with a girl they are back to 10 strokes... for some single guys without regular girlfriend 5-10 intercourses with a woman may take longer to achieve but hey, thats life... this thread is about REAL CURE and nobody cares about one time MIRACLES or 1 in 10 LOTTERY CHANCE... better wait (and prove for yourself) than sorry... if there is one time succes, GOOD FOR YOU, learn from it and if you can repeat it 5 times come here and TELL US... YOU WILL BE CELEBRATED... if you can repeat it 10+ times you will become AN IMORTAL HERO
- the repeatibility (the number of success you had) is preciesly what distinguishes promising cure from amazing cure...
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It is easy to get lost onsite many do not see a given thread . If they do they may not care to answer it especially if it asks for work to be done as this one does . The truth is most guys that cure pre e just leave the site .
That said if we wish to make this a sticky to work alongside the other success thread I would like to have insight from the membership re how to make it as effective as possible .
That said if we wish to make this a sticky to work alongside the other success thread I would like to have insight from the membership re how to make it as effective as possible .
sure i agree 100%... success stories are not something that is added every day so this thread might have days/weeks/months without updates - which is fine as long it holds the previous success stories as "library"... but such a thread will inevitably slide down the history of threads until it leaves the first 20+ positions on Page 1 and than the chnaces are very low somebody will search for it... (its already waaay down the first page only after 3 days)
its kinda paradoxical... one would want to make it a sticky but there is not enough succes stories YET, but if its NOT a sticky there never will be much more stories because people wont find it unless its on first page...
maybe something like a "sticky candidate" - make it sticky for 3 months and see how much traction it gets
i agree that the idea to focus only on K/RK might have its limits but K/RK is undoubtly the most recommended here and on other forums as well as books, and the objection that STAMINA TRAINING is also mandatory - well i always assumed some STAMINA training to be part of almost ANY CURE (maybe except SSRI where the pills do all the work for you)... so thats why i didnt specifically named it...
i still thing THE 6 RULES OF SUCCESS is a good idea... especially RULES 1,2,3 in my opinion should be basis for any success thread - whatever the technique used to cure:
RULES 1,2,3 are common sense when testing any hypothesis... every scientist or doctor will agree that following are basic requirements for any experiment or science paper to be even considered for publishing / posting:
IN VIVO TESTING = RULE NO.1 (ONLY REAL SEX)
REPEATIBILITY = RULE NO.2 (MINIMUM 5 REPEATS)
QUANTIFYING RESULTS = RULE NO.3 (BEFORE AND AFTER DURATION OF REAL SEX)
rules 4,5,6 are more of a DETAIL BREAKDOWN once the poster establsihes IN RULES 1,2,3 that his CURE is EFFECTIVE (and HOW EFFECTIVE = repeatibility + improvement ratio in minutes)
IMHO the RULES 4,5,6 can be modified but RULES 1,2,3 should be mandatory unless we want teenage debate club where guys are braging how long they can masturbate
The RULES 1,2,3 especially weed out these types of “fake successes”
- totally random or ghost stamina events - i know couple times in my life i could stay way looong with a girl - they never repated and to this day i dont know what caused it
- success as side-effects of other inputs - like sex after alcohol binge, various cough syrups and prescriptions remedies, energy drinks and what not that temporarily altered your hormonal or neurotransmitter actvity
- anything where level of stimulation can be as low as 5% of actual levels experienced inside wet, warm VAGINA - this applies to extremely light grip edging, extremely slow edging, vanilla blow jobs, etc. - basically cheating your way to extended times by applying very low stimulation (subnormal stimulation) - this can be a self-deception which will quickly back-fire once you slide your penis into vagina
- keyboard-jockeys or PE newbies - people who run to tell everybody they had 1 solitary success (could be random or ghost success) and they speculate over walls of text how this and that had influence only to find maybe weeks or months later (when they get another chance to fuck) everything is back to square one
- people who have little sex opportunities - iam not belittling these guys (actually iam one of them when i dont have girlfirend cause iam not good at getting one-night-stands) but again who would you rather follow with cure - somone who had 5, 10, 15, 20 repeated solid successes or someone who fucked 3 times a year and on 2 occasions he lasted somewhat longer than on the first time (which was more than 5 months ago)... again its same as with experiments... if your hypothesis works 10 times its more valid than 2 times... just plain reality...
- overestimated success - some people may brag about success and write walls of text but they never say how much they last now or lasted before... and when you ask them what was their BEFORE and AFTER time they reply with one of these 3 answers:
a) well i dont know but its more, really trust me man its gotta be way more
- well this kind of answer totally invalidates any account because it empties the word “success”
- it has no measurable meaning as does the rest of your story
b) well i lasted 10 strokes now after 3 years i last 1 minute man
- well cool that is success man and iam with you and congrats and all, but you still have severe premature ejaculation by any medical or stasticial standards - you wont be any girls champion
c) i lasted 15 minutes and now i can last as long as i want
- well i have big news for you, you never had PE to start with (average "healthy man" duration is 6.5 minutes) so although you account is interesting it probably doesnt apply to me since i come after 10 strokes and your starting point (anatomy and brain chemistry) is totally on different level than me - you are like different human species in bed than me
NOT THAT THE ABOVE ANSWERS b) and c) would not mean SUCCESS or that your post would be edited or anything but it gives the READER a very important CONTEXTUAL PLACEMENT of your “individual success”
as you can see i was thinking about the 6 RULES OF SUCCESS quite a bit
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Read some of your comments about the problem being in arousal and had to create an account to post this:
- Have you tried meditation?
If your problem is in that your emotions are taking the better of you, meditation is a great tool to learn to befriend and master your emotions (feeling them but not necessarily letting them affect you). I have meditated for around 80 days and I am feeling a lot more emotionally relaxed after have passed through some hard emotions that needed to be take care of. In my theory when stress and upsetting emotions have been dealt with, enjoying sex and not worrying about ejaculation, etc. will be much easier.
When I meditate, I sit and try to feel where I feel the most upset at the moment, which until and currently is around my heart area.
- Have you tried meditation?
If your problem is in that your emotions are taking the better of you, meditation is a great tool to learn to befriend and master your emotions (feeling them but not necessarily letting them affect you). I have meditated for around 80 days and I am feeling a lot more emotionally relaxed after have passed through some hard emotions that needed to be take care of. In my theory when stress and upsetting emotions have been dealt with, enjoying sex and not worrying about ejaculation, etc. will be much easier.
When I meditate, I sit and try to feel where I feel the most upset at the moment, which until and currently is around my heart area.
I see there is still not one post on here regarding a success. Was hoping after a few days would at least see some glimmer of hope. Hopefully with more time a few members will post something positive
eazy8228> We must be patient... I consider incogneeetoe's post as a success story, in his text i can find replies to all 6 RULES OF SUCCESS...
we should still wait - as Pegasus said this thread with its's 6 RULES OF SUCCESS is asking people for effort and the success rate probably wont be 1 cured member a week - the training takes weeks/months...
People who were cured BEFORE this thread was created will very unlikely come back here to re-tell their story for this thread - they either did in their personal log/diary threads or they left forum completely.
If we get any success stories that comply with 6 RULES OF SUCCESS they will be from future cured members...
Also making this a sticky would give it more weight so people are willing to put in the effort...
we should still wait - as Pegasus said this thread with its's 6 RULES OF SUCCESS is asking people for effort and the success rate probably wont be 1 cured member a week - the training takes weeks/months...
People who were cured BEFORE this thread was created will very unlikely come back here to re-tell their story for this thread - they either did in their personal log/diary threads or they left forum completely.
If we get any success stories that comply with 6 RULES OF SUCCESS they will be from future cured members...
Also making this a sticky would give it more weight so people are willing to put in the effort...
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I'll reply like this.
I never even knew how to do Kegels or Reverse Kegels until I started Penis Exercises. ( But always thought they were for females )
My problem wasn't really Pre-E because considering lasting past , 3-5 minutes isn't considered Pre-E.
Doing Kegels & Reverse Kegels religiously after over 9 Months did send me onto tapping into MMO , but it wouldn't transition into actual sex the way I would like.
Although Kegels & RK'S are an important ingredient in Ejaculation control , I would have to say that did only about 80% of the whole package.
It's a lot about Technique , Timing , & Kegels Strength for this to actually work during intercourse.
If that Timing , Technique or Kegels Strength is out of harmony ," forget about it ".
Other then that I'd say Kegels didn't make me last longer with intercourse but within combination of other things , belly breathing , mind relaxation , Supplements , etc . That's where my stamina went up.
My goal was to go past 15 minutes of straight penetration & Kegels or Reverse Kegels didn't do that for me.
What did get me past 15 minutes was
Combination of
Kegels & KRATOM Capsules
Kegels & Penis Banding
Kegels & my daily Supplements of VigRx + for EQ
But overall Kegels & Reverse Kegels alone only helped me actually be able to complete 30-60 minutes of Edging on a Fleshlight without Ejaculation , pulling up my pants & getting on with my daily routine
I never even knew how to do Kegels or Reverse Kegels until I started Penis Exercises. ( But always thought they were for females )
My problem wasn't really Pre-E because considering lasting past , 3-5 minutes isn't considered Pre-E.
Doing Kegels & Reverse Kegels religiously after over 9 Months did send me onto tapping into MMO , but it wouldn't transition into actual sex the way I would like.
Although Kegels & RK'S are an important ingredient in Ejaculation control , I would have to say that did only about 80% of the whole package.
It's a lot about Technique , Timing , & Kegels Strength for this to actually work during intercourse.
If that Timing , Technique or Kegels Strength is out of harmony ," forget about it ".
Other then that I'd say Kegels didn't make me last longer with intercourse but within combination of other things , belly breathing , mind relaxation , Supplements , etc . That's where my stamina went up.
My goal was to go past 15 minutes of straight penetration & Kegels or Reverse Kegels didn't do that for me.
What did get me past 15 minutes was
Combination of
Kegels & KRATOM Capsules
Kegels & Penis Banding
Kegels & my daily Supplements of VigRx + for EQ
But overall Kegels & Reverse Kegels alone only helped me actually be able to complete 30-60 minutes of Edging on a Fleshlight without Ejaculation , pulling up my pants & getting on with my daily routine
TANGO 5/10> thanks for the story... i hope that you are well over that 15 minutes goal that you set yourself in the begining... i see that "religious 9 months" of K/RK didnt bring you all the way and its clear from your list there are other necessary ingredients in the mix (thanks for listing them)... one question: how long did you last before in minutes... its not very clear from the 3rd sentence... thanks for the story again
One thing I dont understand when someone say for example "I lasted 1 minute".Does he mean he can thrust straight for 1 minue without stopping with good fast tempo before feeling PONR or that the whole sex experience is only 1 minute?
For example when I had Pre E I could made sex for 30 40 minutes but managed to thrust for only 10 15 seconds with moderate/hard tempo before the need to stop.Sometimes 30 40 seconds with lots of RK breathing and adjusting of positions but thats all.
I think this is also a very unclarified moment of all those "success stories".
For example when I had Pre E I could made sex for 30 40 minutes but managed to thrust for only 10 15 seconds with moderate/hard tempo before the need to stop.Sometimes 30 40 seconds with lots of RK breathing and adjusting of positions but thats all.
I think this is also a very unclarified moment of all those "success stories".
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Hey sorry if I wasn't to clear about the stamina question.
Well I could make excellent foreplay in all my relationships & that was my specialty. Good oral & attention to detail can last for as long as your Woman wants until you have her begging for penetration.
My sober minded penetration stamina before I knew anything about PE was 3-5 minutes. Now back in my Marijuana
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Sorry let me continue ,
Now back in my Marijuana smoking days , the weed could let me have penetration stamina for 30+ minutes but I couldn't do it sober minded.
So my goal was to get to 15 minutes because that was just my short term. I've accomplished that but Kegels & Reverse Kegels alone did not get me there.
I hope I answered OK with what has Kegels & RK'S actually done for my individual self for actual sex & again I say it got me into MMO with Edging but is not always 100% with actually having intercourse if your Timing , Technique , or Kegels Strength is not in sync.
Now back in my Marijuana smoking days , the weed could let me have penetration stamina for 30+ minutes but I couldn't do it sober minded.
So my goal was to get to 15 minutes because that was just my short term. I've accomplished that but Kegels & Reverse Kegels alone did not get me there.
I hope I answered OK with what has Kegels & RK'S actually done for my individual self for actual sex & again I say it got me into MMO with Edging but is not always 100% with actually having intercourse if your Timing , Technique , or Kegels Strength is not in sync.
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1. Im married and get to test my progress often. Min once a week.
Oftentimes multiple times weekly.
2. My average has trended to about 10min of vigorous sexual penetration.
Random bouts of "porn star" quality stamina. This is over the last 50 sexual encounters, ballpark.
3. Before I started to work on stamina o lasted consistently 1-3mins. Maybe 3-6 times I lasted noticeably longer. This was over about 8 years.
4. Been training for about 9months.
Have a log somewhere.
5.ratio of K/RK probably 5/95. I don't do much Kegal strengthen work actually. Mostly I RK holds at all times.
6. I've found useful:
Hindi squats often as possible for long periods of time.
Edge/balloon session practicing relaxing whole body.
Stretching out legs and stuff around.
(Probably should do yoga)
Arousal control. Learning about myself.
Confidence and believing in myself was HUGE factor is relieving stress and anxiety.
Self awareness- knowing about your body and what/how it's currently feeling. Helps me figure out how well something is working for me, and how well I'm doing with certain workouts/sex.
Successful Post
1. Im married and get to test my progress often. Min once a week.
Oftentimes multiple times weekly.
2. My average has trended to about 10min of vigorous sexual penetration.
Random bouts of "porn star" quality stamina. This is over the last 50 sexual encounters, ballpark.
3. Before I started to work on stamina o lasted consistently 1-3mins. Maybe 3-6 times I lasted noticeably longer. This was over about 8 years.
4. Been training for about 9months.
Have a log somewhere.
5.ratio of K/RK probably 5/95. I don't do much Kegal strengthen work actually. Mostly I RK holds at all times.
6. I've found useful:
Hindi squats often as possible for long periods of time.
Edge/balloon session practicing relaxing whole body.
Stretching out legs and stuff around.
(Probably should do yoga)
Arousal control. Learning about myself.
Confidence and believing in myself was HUGE factor is relieving stress and anxiety.
Self awareness- knowing about your body and what/how it's currently feeling. Helps me figure out how well something is working for me, and how well I'm doing with certain workouts/sex.
