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Just recently started to nail his presidential coffin together.
He was a dude destined to self-implode.
jockinthebox
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This egotistical, pom-pass ass is only in the race to get his hands on the federal matching funds, so he can steal from the taxpayers in order to keep his faux financial empire from imploding, IMO. He'll be GONE after the first couple of primaries...Can't WAIT!
Tamora
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jockinthebox
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I thought he was a very nice guy actually...talks a lot of sense!
You mean he talks a LOT of BOMBASTIC NONsense! Trump is all about $$$, NO OTHER SUBSTANCE TO HIM, WHATSOEVER! He's always trying to figure an angle to fleece somebody out of $$$, to inflate his ego & financial coffers, in order to make the next payments on his "empire" ! He's a "paper billionaire", with an EGO...nothing more. He's riding a populist wave of super-conservative right-wing discontent with LIBERAL DEMOCRATS PANDERING TO OBAMA, ...YES, riding them ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK (and they're too stupid to understand this)! Trump is a modern-day BANKER version of P.T. BARNUM, whose most famous saying was..."There's a fool born everyday; and I'm a FOOL, if I don't take ADVANTAGE of 'em!"
Tamora
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Tamora
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Can you really think anyone on our national political stages looks better than the rest? Either side of the pond?
jockinthebox
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CORRECT! You've gotten me in a "political mood" here Tamora, (which is kinda interesting, since you're "across the POND"). So I'll espouse what I believe is the ONLY HOPE among the republicans to win the election from the current field of primary candidates. My choice is MARK RUBIO, not because of his politics so much, as just a "political strategy" to defeat Hillary Clinton! He's the ONLY republican candidate that can win...here's why...Democrats & Liberals will ALL vote for Hillary, every single one of them! The republicans ONLY chance is to coalesce behind an electable candidate, solidify the majority of the Latino vote (away from Hillary, whom they would likely vote for, otherwise) and as a moderate, Rubio can hold together the republicans in yet another "hold you nose & vote" election, much like GW Bush (aka "the shrub") did against"SPOTTED" AL Gore. Rubio could defeat Hillary in a "squeeker", like happened in 2000, possibly. He's the ONLY one that can, IMO. Just a "strategy" to win for the republicans. Not sure the US can survive another con job from the Clintons yet again, after the financial decline we've suffered from 16 consecutive years of "the shrub" followed by Obama's socialist agenda. The US is at a pivital and fragile point in time, I believe. This election may very well determine the future of our country as a democratic leader of the free world. Hillary will do everything she can to destroy that, BELIEVE ME! She, not unlike Trump, is "ALL ABOUT ME AND EGO AND POWER",,,SUPER LIBERAL POWER!! The LAST thing we need right now, IMO.
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Very true, and I'm not a hugely political guy- but he is by far my favorite this year. His logic is spot on and he doesn't seem like he is just saying what will get the popular vote. I thought his responses during the debate were killer! But, knowing this country, we will probably stand behind a Bush or Clinton before we follow a young, progressive guy like Rubio.
The only problem I see with that strategy, George W. Bush brought us Obama thru his political blunders his last four years more or less giving Democrats in Congress everything they wanted in the economic bailout in 2008. Bush was a RINO who could talk a good game to his more conservative base and then essentially do nothing they elected him to do. Rubio is a bit more conservative than Bush but I have a huge problem with his border policies. To me, that's one of our biggest national security issues and will ultimately bite us in the rear if we don't secure our southern border. The other biggie is Obamacare. That's a disaster in the process of happening. Being penalized by the IRS for not having health insurance flies in the face of liberty. Being forced to buy something you may not want is not freedom. That's tyranny! Some of the greatest English speaking documents applauding the virtues of Liberty were the Magna Carta, the US Declaration of Independence, and our Bill of Rights.
I can go on and on....the US History instructor in me gets fired up easily. LOL
jockinthebox
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OK, one last part of my Rubio strategy I didn't mention, and then I'll get off my soapbox. Rubio is from Florida, a KEY state for electoral college votes. If Rubio wins Texas, Florida & California (by solidifying the Latino vote in those HUGE population states) along with picking up the standard red states the repubs usually win, he can overcome Hillary's electoral votes out of the liberal NE. The South and western states are largely all red in national elections, the midwest could be split somewhat, and the NE is ALWAYS solid Blue. Rubio can win, and ONLY RUBIO can win for the Repubs, IMO, purely based on his ethnicity, not on his politics necessarily.
jockinthebox
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I'm totally with you, and I understand and agree with your post, but aside from Rubio, the repubs can't win...and then we're stuck with Hillary. In my opinion, NOTHING COULD BE WORSE THAN THAT!...NOT EVEN ANOTHER 4 YEARS OF OBAMA! So get ready to hold your nose, & VOTE!
I hear what you're saying....to follow this to its logical conclusion you could almost make the same case for Ted Cruz, who is also of Cuban descent. He's way more conservative to borderline Libertarian. In the Latino community I think he would play just as well as Rubio would. The big factor we're leaving out of this is the media. The liberal wing will be all gung ho for Hillary no matter what. Whoever the Republicans pick will be vilified. They may as well pick someone who can stand their ground and not back off. At least Trump is showing the Republicans how to do it. He speaks his mind and he survived. The candidates need to tear a page from Trumps playbook and refine it somewhat.
jockinthebox
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Trump is an enathma to the repubs. Read a little history and discover the LBJ vs. Goldwater election of 1964. Trump's another Goldwater, in election results terms. Ted Cruz is NOT electable, because he's too right-wing, and will split the republican party vote. Hillary wins against Ted Cruz because those repubs who don't support him, don't vote and stay home, so Hillary wins. Trump, same thing!
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Tamora
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I think the scary candidate is Bernie Sanders though. I think he's not exactly what people are used to and his poll numbers are going way up.
I am a moderate. Socially more liberal, and fiscally a little more conservative. The more I learn about how economies nose dive, the more progressive I become actually (regulation, public works, etc.).
That said, I don't see any reason for me to EVER vote for Hillary. She seems to wishy-washy and politically treacherous. I mean, she probably has the right mindset for the whitehouse, since she's had to view that crap all before, but at the same time, I just don't feel like there's anything she can be trusted it with. Not sexist, but she seems, like most politicians, to be masters of opportunity. She's an opportunist... most of what she says and does feels artificial.
She, being secretary of state though, has HUGE clout with world leaders since she was the one making the moves internationally, so there's a level a familiarity between she and the rest of the world.
Honestly, I'm torn, but I'm leaning way more toward Bernie Sanders. His ideas, if historically reviewed, have been shown to bring this country back out of depressions and recessions and keep them from going back into them.
I am a moderate. Socially more liberal, and fiscally a little more conservative. The more I learn about how economies nose dive, the more progressive I become actually (regulation, public works, etc.).
That said, I don't see any reason for me to EVER vote for Hillary. She seems to wishy-washy and politically treacherous. I mean, she probably has the right mindset for the whitehouse, since she's had to view that crap all before, but at the same time, I just don't feel like there's anything she can be trusted it with. Not sexist, but she seems, like most politicians, to be masters of opportunity. She's an opportunist... most of what she says and does feels artificial.
She, being secretary of state though, has HUGE clout with world leaders since she was the one making the moves internationally, so there's a level a familiarity between she and the rest of the world.
Honestly, I'm torn, but I'm leaning way more toward Bernie Sanders. His ideas, if historically reviewed, have been shown to bring this country back out of depressions and recessions and keep them from going back into them.
jockinthebox
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I don't know a great deal about Bernie Sanders. Haven't read his platform, but I do know the Clinton's agenda. That Machine will DO ANYTHING, and I DO MEAN ANYTHING to get elected! Dirty politics and a bloodthirsty lust for POWER feeds their egos. Bernie Sanders will crash and burn fairly early in the primary process, I can assure you. The leftist media and fringe groups along with all the hedge-fund liberals are ALL aligned behind Hillary, and that's not going to change. They've got the $$$ backers & bankers , the media, and the crazies, and that's enough to buy/win the election with a middle of the road republican white guy running against her/them. Rubio's the repubs (and AMERICA's, IMO) ONLY HOPE.
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