Intermittent Fasting Protocols and Muscle Sparing

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In our western society we are so unused to lean people that many find it disturbing when they see it .
When I was a very lean 75 kg (165lb) I got a lot of negative feedback . Most people also seem to find it hard to tell the difference between muscle and fat .
 

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I doubt it's the muscles but the facial fat pads that are beauty - enchanchers

I mean it's obv. fat that's being consumed first and that facial fat pads is important to keep cherubian cheeks on
I don't know whether that's true and don't necessarily agree that it's obvious that fat's consumed first. Frequently it's water in the muscles that goes first. Perhaps you're underestimating how much muscle is in the face and how bloated muscles become from excess glycogen. I don't know the answer - I'm posing hypothesis to the question.
 

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Hmm so a friend has lost 50Kg with among other things IF , he had some negatives but still a good result . Now he is just maintaining most of the negatives are less apparent and certainly some health positives
 

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I thought this was intersting re protocol.
Despite her reservations about recommending CR, Anderson praised the work of the research team in the Science Translational Medicine study for “pushing this forward for possible application in clinics.” In that study, test subjects followed a carefully designed 50 percent calorie restricted diet (totaling about 1,100 calories on the first day and 70 percent (about 700 calories) on the next four days, then ate whatever they wanted for the rest of the month.
Longo, the gerontologist at U.S.C., says the underlying theory of the on-again/off-again approach is that the regenerative effects of the regimen occur not so much from the fasting itself as from the recovery afterward. By contrast, long-term, uninterrupted calorie restriction can lead to the sort of negative effects seen in extreme conditions like anorexia.

The calorie-restricted diet in Longo’s study was 100 percent plant-based and featured vegetable soups, energy bars, energy drinks and a chip snack as well as mineral and vitamin supplements. It included nutrients designed to manipulate the expression of genes involved in aging-related processes, Longo explains. (Longo and U.S.C. are both owners of L-Nutra, the company that manufactures the diet. But he says he takes no salary or consulting fees from the company and has assigned his shares to a nonprofit organization established to support further research.)
Even the five-day-a-month calorie restriction regimen was apparently a struggle for some test subjects, resulting in a 25 percent dropout rate. But health benefits in the form of decreased body mass and better levels of glucose, triglycerides and cholesterol, along with other factors, showed up after the third month and persisted for at least three months—even after subjects had returned full-time to a normal diet. Notably, given concerns about other forms of calorie restriction, lean muscle mass remained unchanged.
The benefits were greater for people who were obese or otherwise unhealthy, Longo says. But those individuals might also need to repeat the five-day regimen as often as once a month to the point of recovery, he adds, whereas individuals who are already healthy and athletic might repeat it just twice a year.
 
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Sounds like true IF - rather than the same, small eating window every day - and many proponents like it for the potential to develop higher metabolic flexibility
 

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So I have been seeing some very different reports on results of 16hr fasting any updates ?
 

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So just while wandering the web one guy saying the mass of research was not that supportive. He seemed to suspect the missing breakfast model was not the way to go and missing dinner may have better .
A different guy was waveing a recent study comparing 12 hr IF ,16 hr IF and normal diet in healthy athletic guys . So the result was health markers improved most in the 16 hr group however a drop in muscle mass and testtosterone compareed to normal diet. .

Meh perhaps I should abovid you tube
 

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Just be reserved in what you read and what you believe. People can 'state' all kinds of stuff.
 

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Just be reserved in what you read and what you believe. People can 'state' all kinds of stuff.

Very often they quote a study or studies the problem is unless you want to do a deep dive and look closely at each study that does not help much.
 

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Nothing beats self-experimentation. Things like age, blood type. activity levels, and- of course- goals all factor into what plan works best.

The goals thing is a point . When you are young health markers are of less concern as you age they grow in importance .
 

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The goals thing is a point . When you are young health markers are of less concern as you age they grow in importance .

Very true. The diet a young man in his late teens or early 20s undertakes for bulking up would be very different 30 to 40 years later when his metabolism and fitness goals are quite changed.
 

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Still esperiimenting with short fasts of a day or less . Main thing I notice is it is good for indigestion and the like
 
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So latest dexa positive no serious fasting but certainly some occasional 12 hr and up to 24 hr .
 

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I’m typically fasted for about 16 hours since I don’t eat in the evening. I did try a 72 hour fast not too long ago but not convinced there’s much benefit, TBH.
 

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I see the anti ageing guy I follow Attia has some reservations re fastings though he does see some situations for their use .