Dangerous Dopa-edging

[Branislav]

Hello friends, I was reading About Edging, and I was even trying it With lube. It felt so intensive and great. But i read some articles last day, in which was written, that edging is not safe. The main reason for this opinion is, that it increases dopamine levels, and these chemicals in our brain cause PE. What do you think About it ? Is Edging dangerous ?

 

[Cokafor]

If anything edging would cause DE. The increase in dopamine can cause ED, if sex does not provide a similar or higher dopamine rush. This should not be the case as sex uses all 5 senses if you are doing it right.

That being said I think this relates to only extreme cases or maybe cases where porn is linked and the dopamine rush is even greater.

Link the article if you have it

 

[Branislav]

What if I masturbate (edge) or watch porn without orgasm? Here it is

 

[Stealthpeman]

That's mostly about edging to porn and it's well known here that porn is not good for pre e.

The one part I take from that link is this bit

What about edging without using porn? Depends on your goals I guess. Keep in mind that YBOP is about Internet porn, not masturbation (hello nofap/reddit). Is it similar to simply staying close to the edge with a partner? Not exactly, because you are wiring your sexual response to your own hand. Having sex means you are wiring your sexual response to another person. This may be significant for visitors who are are dealing with sexual dysfunctions and need to rewire to real partners. See Studies linking porn use or porn/sex addiction to sexual dysfunctions, lower brain activation to sexual stimuli, and lower sexual satisfaction

 

[Pegasus]

Look it's simple enough edging is health and sexuality positive in the absence of porn .
I this gibber about brain chemicals yada yada , they are normal with sex .

 

[Big Al]

Yesterday, I had a conversation with a fascinating client who mentioned how lowered dopamine levels can cause ED. Men under prolonged stress or who suffer from depression often have lowered dopamine levels- which can explain the difficulty in getting erect even if palpable anxiety isn't present.

Doing what one can to lessen stress levels is definitely important. The amino acid tyrosine is also recommended for this purpose- both in food and supplement form.

If the above issues are lasting, then getting professional medical attention may be necessary and is always in your best interests.

 

[Jay1983]

I used to edge to porn for great amounts of time. At first, sure every now and then, but then the sessions kept getting longer and longer, and more often. I was chasing that dopamine rush like a heroin addict chases that needle. I couldn't get enough, I needed more. I was officially a fap edging porn addict. I was fapping in ways that sex could never replicate. I would reach arousal levels that sex would have a difficult time reaching, and I would stay there for hours. I nailed it! I became a plateau edging God. Bullturd.

After my edging sessions I would be so fried to the world, literally numb, incoherent, almost like a heroin addict coming down from a high. I'm honestly surprised nobody asked me if I was using drugs, or something.

I will admit, I miss the high extreme levels of arousal, very very much. My GF gets so aroused during sex that at times I honestly think she's faking it, but the truth is, all the damn porn edging has numb me. It literally has robbed me. I'm jealous of her. I can touch her leg and she'll get wet.

I'm constantly craving that level of arousal and pleasure during sex, and it crushes me when I don't get it.

I wish this on nobody.

Day 8, NoFap.

Day 8... I deserve Dairy Queen.

 

[closed224]

The dopamine isn't the problem in and by itself. The dopamine release to porn is the issue. If you train your dopamine to release to porn then your brain won't even need your penis anymore, let alone another person.

Likely Jay if you would stop doing any sexual activity except with her you would get the same level of arousal as she gets. Train even that.

 

[Jay1983]

That's what I'm hoping for. Her and I have sex 12+ times a week. No way would I have made it to day 8 without her.

She deserves Dairy Queen.

I'm recovering. Most days are better than others. If I can make it to 30 days without fapping, I will shard.

 

[Big Al]

The dopamine isn't the problem in and by itself. The dopamine release to porn is the issue. If you train your dopamine to release to porn then your brain won't even need your penis anymore, let alone another person.

Likely Jay if you would stop doing any sexual activity except with her you would get the same level of arousal as she gets. Train even that.

My reference was more of a general scenario. There are guys who've have penis concerns for so long they just become numb to the idea of sex or anything having to do with erections. In these cases the conditioning is so thorough anxiety doesn't even have to be palpable.

MANY of these men mention concurrent issues like depression or even suicidal thoughts. In these types of situations giving one's self a break from penis related activities and attempting to heal the mind and heart would be a better use of time. Once the subject becomes healthier, penis related training can be resumed productively.

 

[closed224]

Super agree Al. I was pointing to the link he posted. You hit a very good nail on the head. Relaxing is huge throughout one's life.

 

[Big Al]

Super agree Al. I was pointing to the link he posted. You hit a very good nail on the head. Relaxing is huge throughout one's life.

Even those of us who've never had erection problems can develop them after a seemingly unrelated emotional crisis. If one doesn't educate themselves about the causes the usual reaction would be to think yet another crisis (ED) has happened.

I reflect on this a lot because it's seems to be a growing theme here. While there are moments when this type of training is appropriate, if one has serious emotional problems then the emotional backdrop for this type of training isn't appropriate. In the mind of someone suffering the frustration from failed results [due to the aforementioned emotional backdrop] becomes an additional burden.

You can see this very scenario playing itself out in many of the emotionally charged posts. Unfortunately, the affected subject often continues to believe that male enhancement training can get them out of their severe depression.

We should repeat the above recommendations as often as possible so these guys can get the help they need, and then return once they're healthy again. Some of these gentlemen who go through these experiences and recover very successfully turn out to be some of our most valued and helpful members.

 

[HansTwilight]

Yesterday, I had a conversation with a fascinating client who mentioned how lowered dopamine levels can cause ED. Men under prolonged stress or who suffer from depression often have lowered dopamine levels- which can explain the difficulty in getting erect even if palpable anxiety isn't present.

Doing what one can to lessen stress levels is definitely important. The amino acid tyrosine is also recommended for this purpose- both in food and supplement form.

If the above issues are lasting, then getting professional medical attention may be necessary and is always in your best interests.

Maybe that's what I need.

 

[HansTwilight]

I don't think I have emotional problems, it's just that when I get under stress I freeze, my mind kind of stays on the issue though its usually transferred to the subconscious, ie back of my mind. My EQ has been a little low (penetrable) but low, I don't know if this is due to the stress about where I'm living currently, or if it's a flat line due to my lack of porn. It's been about a month and a half if that makes any difference.

 

[TANGO 5/10]

If anything edging would cause DE. The increase in dopamine can cause ED, if sex does not provide a similar or higher dopamine rush. This should not be the case as sex uses all 5 senses if you are doing it right.

That being said I think this relates to only extreme cases or maybe cases where porn is linked and the dopamine rush is even greater.

Link the article if you have it

Yoooo, Cokafor you nailed this one on the head to say the least in my opinion. My medical condition Prolactinoma ( pituitary gland abnormality ) literally Rob's your brain of Dopamine Release & Testosterone production. The medication Caborgoline is rebooting my brain to make DOPAMINE & this medication is only given to me at a one month supply at a time. 8 pills 2x a week .05 milligrams. It's a very controlled substance or at least the Real stuff is. With out insurance this meds is like $700 out of pocket. My experience now with Edging , is that I must work up my Erection but when my Wife shows me her bare ASS , it's instant WOOD. My Dopamine Release is way higher with actually having sexual intercourse than Edging/ Ballooning alone would ever be. The medication is just correcting my Testosterone Dopamine Prolactin level production in my brain. I do use Supplements , Vitamins , Protein ,outside of medication but pretty much for that Physical fitness motivation factor & EQ factor.

 

[Big Al]

I don't think I have emotional problems, it's just that when I get under stress I freeze, my mind kind of stays on the issue though its usually transferred to the subconscious, ie back of my mind. My EQ has been a little low (penetrable) but low, I don't know if this is due to the stress about where I'm living currently, or if it's a flat line due to my lack of porn. It's been about a month and a half if that makes any difference.

This isn't medical advice- but part of what causes emotional issues to worsen is ingrained behaviors.

Learning to train your mind to stop going back to needless and even harmful repetitive thought patterns could be very beneficial.

Learning to accept we can't control every scenario but we can do our best when the time comes to do something is truly the best we can ask for.

 

[Vegtableman123]

Well I messed up. I just read this whole thread about dopamine levels. Lol well, I made it to day three again. I decided to try edging, and I guess i went a bit too far. I was watching some porn too, haha. I feel good though. Either way, I'm doing way better than doing this everyday. We just gotta keep grinding at it.

Idk though, porn will help achieve that really high erection level, doesnt that mean edging sessions can be faster? Isn't the dangerous part of fapping to porn the ejaculation part? Thats when your release the most dopamine. So since your edging and you should be avoiding that won't everything be fine? Idk, i dont think I got addicted to watching porn as to I got addicted to beating off.

 

[Big Al]

Well I messed up. I just read this whole thread about dopamine levels. Lol well, I made it to day three again. I decided to try edging, and I guess i went a bit too far. I was watching some porn too, haha. I feel good though. Either way, I'm doing way better than doing this everyday. We just gotta keep grinding at it.

Idk though, porn will help achieve that really high erection level, doesnt that mean edging sessions can be faster? Isn't the dangerous part of fapping to porn the ejaculation part? Thats when your release the most dopamine. So since your edging and you should be avoiding that won't everything be fine? Idk, i dont think I got addicted to watching porn as to I got addicted to beating off.

Porn with (or even without) training is like a crutch. When you get to the point where you "need" it to train, it's going to take a period of reconditioning to get through it.

Please review the following- it will explain the scenario you described as well as proposed solutions: The Detraining Effect: Understanding and Reversing Negative Habits To Improve Erection Quality and Sexual Confidence