Another TGC-test pilot

[babbis]

Inspired by my newly gained 0.8cm after a loooooong period without gains and a 6 month break I have started pumping again to test the TGC-theory.

Basically I started up again 11.Jan this year with a jelqing routine. After 3 sessions I added hanging (one 20min set with 2.5kg with my vacu-hanger) and after a total of 15 sessions from the 11.Jan - 1.Mar I had gained 1cm in BPFSL that transferred into 0.5cm in BPEL.

When I started the 11.Jan of this year I was: BPEL - 17.7cm , BPFSL - 18.7cm

The 1.March (after 15 sessions) I was: BPEL - 18.3cm , BPFSL - 19.7cm

After this I did 3 more normal sessions followed by 7 sessions where I only measured my BPFSL 3 times in one session (could be counted as very mild PE or even rest days) and measured my BPEL to be 18.5cm (0.8cm gain since I started this year). My BPFSL stayed at 19.7cm, I read the TGC theory and decided to test it out since it seemed to corespond nicely with what I had done.

I have done 3 sessions of a manual girth routine but decided to transition to pumping to rule out some factors.

Till now I have done my new pumping routine 3 days in a row: Measure BPFSL 3 times, enter the tube flaccid, pump to 3HG, stay there for 10min, jelq 50 strokes (1sec strokes, mild ones), do another 10min set, 50 more jelqs.

I would rate my EQ as a 8 but I am not sure if it is on the uprise or on its way down. For this reason I will do my routine today also...That will be 4 days in a row and I should notice a upswing or downfall of my EQ from this. I did have some serious wood last evening since I had high hopes of getting lucky with the missus... That did not happen so did not get to test my EQ out...

The more I think of it and the more I think back on everyone I have been in contact with over at thundersplace over the years, the more faith I get in this theory. I honestly think we are on the verge of a PE-revolution with this theory, EQ, PIs and keeping progresslogs... Time will tell..

PS: I used to be an avid "proof"-man, posting pictures of my gains and my modifications to various PE-gadgets over at thunders for some time.. Then I got a shot at getting a steady job and felt that those pictures could be used against me so I had thunder delete all my picture-threads. Yesterday I recorded my new BPEL with my camera. I now have video-proof of 1cm of BPEL-gains. Will be cool when I reach my goal size of 21cm BPEL! Then I will have video proof of 3.5cm!

 

[babbis]

Routine got a bit cluttery today... I decided to film my BPFSL and to my suprise it came out a higher number then when I go by what I can see.. I set it up so that the camera pointed straight down on the ruler..no angle.. Anyway, I measured 19.9-20cm BPFSL on camera but I can only see 19.7-19.8cm BPFSL when I measure without the camera.

I probably measured 7 or 8 times so this might show itself on my EQ tonight or tomorrow.

Came before the routine and after.

Regular routine: 2x10min at 3HG with 50 jelqs between both sets.

 

[Iguana]

babbis, very nice job documenting! You've inspired me to update my progress thread. It's great to hear you are starting to make gains again, I know you have been at a plateau for quite a while now. I too use a lot of pumping for my smooth muscle work out. My tube is marked with measurement lines so I like the fact I have a visual of how my tissue is responding.

I like the camera idea. I will have to give that a try.

I agree with you, I think we are on the verge of a major PE revolution. I know what you are saying about those you have had contact with over the years. When I go back and read threads of some of the early vets and pioneers I find there were some who were making gains using a similar strategy without even realizing what they were doing.

Anyway, didn't mean to divert your thread. I am really excited about following your progress. Thanks for the support and for sharing your update
with us.

 

[babbis]

babbis, very nice job documenting! You've inspired me to update my progress thread. It's great to hear you are starting to make gains again, I know you have been at a plateau for quite a while now. I too use a lot of pumping for my smooth muscle work out. My tube is marked with measurement lines so I like the fact I have a visual of how my tissue is responding.

I like the camera idea. I will have to give that a try.

I agree with you, I think we are on the verge of a major PE revolution. I know what you are saying about those you have had contact with over the years. When I go back and read threads of some of the early vets and pioneers I find there were some who were making gains using a similar strategy without even realizing what they were doing.

Anyway, didn't mean to divert your thread. I am really excited about following your progress. Thanks for the support and for sharing your update
with us.

My plesure Iguana!

Recently I started thinking about mr.orange (the guy we asociate with orange bends) and his relatively rapid gains.. Late in his thread he reported that he attributed the gains to all the jelqing he did prior to the orange bends and that he figured that the bends just "released" these gains. He probably had worked his tunica quite allot with his jelqs and the orange bends probably kick started the development of some serious smooth muscle..

Same thing with Shiver. He gained from some stretches that hardly can be considered a routine...for the most part some stretches against a ruler, BPFSL-style. I would be willing to bet a decent sum of money that he had good EQ and well developed smooth muscle and a BPEL that was only sligthly shorter then his BPFSL when he started that routine.

Things like that pop up in my head all the time now. Also, I spot the application of the theory all over thunders now when ever I see a success story.. I truly think you guys have pin pointed something very, very important!

What kind of marker do you use for your cylinder? I did that when I first started pumping but I guess I used the wrong type of marker as it washed away.

Yes, the camera measuring is sobering.. Hard to cheat with that thing.. I will try camera-measuring tomorrow again to see if I get the same number. Was a great feeling to see it stretched to almost 20cm!

 

[Iguana]

I totally agree, I think sometimes guys would just get frustrated with one focus after not making gains for a while and switch to another out of desperation. In other words they might be stalled out on length and switch to girth only to get gains. I have read several examples of this. I can't remember names but I will try to post some examples when I get a few minutes.

I sure hope you are right about the theory. I am also very confident that we are definitely on to something. What got me thinking along these lines was reading some penile anatomy information. I realized that we were dealing with two very different tissue types (smooth muscle and connective tissue) that had very different growth/enlargement mechanisms. I though we had been very presumptuous to assume they enlarged at the same rate and from the same stimulus. remek and I discussed this extensively and after looking at the examples like you and I have mentioned it became apparent (at least to us) that these tissue balances were critical to maintaining good erection quality.

I actually used finger nail polish and a fine bristle paint brush to mark my cylinder. I did the same thing as you, I used permanent marker and it ended up wearing off.

I have always struggled with the measuring/viewing angle thing. I'm anxious to try the camera. Maybe I'll actually gain some!

 

[babbis]

Measured BPFSL with my camera: 19.4cm, 19.5cm, 19.4cm

Seems like my BPFSL has dropped 5mm from yesterday. I suspected this to happen as I ejaculated 3 times yesterday and measured BPFSL 7-8 times before my routine.

I decided to do my routine based on good EQ (would rate it as a solid 8).

After my routine I decided to measure BPEL in the tube, marking the tube with fingernail polish (put some on a string and marked the cylinder with it).

I got the best erection I could, pressed it against my pubic bone as hard as I could, pumped up to 3HG and marked the cylinder. It ended at 18.5cm, the excact same measurement as my BPEL. I probably should have measured after a couple of days off so I will probably try that sometime soon.

If the shorter BPFSL measurement is a indicator of overtraining I should see the same measurement or less tomorrow. If that is the case I will take a couple of days off and resume when I reach at least 19.7cm BPFSL.

I will continue to measure with my camera as this takes away the guesswork.

 

[babbis]

Camera measurement of BPFSL: 19.5cm, 19.5cm, 19.5cm

Rest day.

 

[remek]

Great report, babbis. Looking forward to the updates!

 

[babbis]

Thanks! Let`s hope the gains continue!

BPFSL (measured with camera): 19.5cm x3

Decided that this is my BPFSL and that the higher measurements I got earlier was measurement errors. Upped the routine with one 10min set and 50 jelqs today. Came twice. BPEL measured in the pump is right at the mark.

 

[babbis]

15min at 3HG, 50 jelqs, 15min at 3HG, 100 jelqs.

Will not measure BPFSL so often since it seems very stable at 19.5cm. My focus is on smooth muscle.

I do not think I have found the "zone" yet as I have not seen very improved EQ. It might be neccecary to mix in rest days so I will continue to tweak my routine.

If I do not see an improvement in PIs and EQ soon I will go back to entering the tube hard and using my heating pad around the cylinder during my sets.

 

[babbis]

Second post of the day.

Did another session today. Entered the tube hard, 2 x 10min at 2.5HG, about 5min edging followed by 20 3sec kegels.

 

[remek]

If I do not see an improvement in PIs and EQ soon I will go back to entering the tube hard and using my heating pad around the cylinder during my sets.

Babbis: Do you think you may be overtraining, or just haven't found the zone yet?

 

[babbis]

Babbis: Do you think you may be overtraining, or just haven't found the zone yet?

I am not sure. My problem is that I usually do not have morning wood or night time erections but I can get an erection very easy and it is always very hard.

I basically feel the same now as I always do.

Before I usually did 3 x 20min sets at 5HG with no problem (other then some fluid build up from time to time). My work volume now is radically lower and so is the intensity. I suspect that I have not found the zone yet because of the above mentioned, so I will continue experimenting some with volume and intensity this week. If nothing changes I will take a one week break.

Another thing I have considered is that maybe my smooth muscle level is fine. When I started this February the difference between my BPEL and my BPFSL was 1cm. After my jelqing/hanging period I measured a BPFSL of 19.7cm. My BPEL did catch up and measured in at 18.5cm in the end. Now my BPFSL is 19.5 and my BPEL is 18.5 so the difference is back to where it was when I started. This might indicate that I need a higher difference between the two to gain.

Thoughts?

 

[babbis]

Well, I just did some measuring and my very first water pumping session.

BPEL came in below 18.5cm, probably around 18cm (I have a home made wooden ruler and I did not make any lines below 18.5 since that is where I am at now..).

BPFSL came in at 19.4cm.

It seems clear that I am overtraining. Last night I had sex and had one dry orgasm and two regular ones. I think the pumping and the sex is proving too much for me.

My water pumping session was awsome! I did 2 x 15min sets at 3.5HG with 80 jelqs between sets. First time I have packed the cylinder! Very cool!

I will take a break untill next monday and see if BPEL and BPFSL gets up again.

 

[JonPop]

Hey babbis, hot water pumping is great, eh? That's the ONLY way I pump anymore. Usually 5Hg for around 15-20 minutes. No fluid build up, no bruising, no spots, just a great session. If you haven't tried the silicon ring yet, get yourself one of these. Pure comfort. JP

 

[babbis]

Hey babbis, hot water pumping is great, eh? That's the ONLY way I pump anymore. Usually 5Hg for around 15-20 minutes. No fluid build up, no bruising, no spots, just a great session. If you haven't tried the silicon ring yet, get yourself one of these. Pure comfort. JP

Yes, I really liked it! It was REALLY motivating to pack the sides of my 2" cylinder all the way to the head!

Do you mean a regular silicon cock ring at the base? Do you have a link?

 

[JonPop]

I got mine on eBay. I'll see if I can find you one. I absoultly love mine. No suckin the nut into the tube. Get back to you.

 

[JonPop]

Here ya go. UNIVERSAL SILICONE SLEEVE FOR PENIS PUMP - BRAND NEW! - eBay (item 350041013322 end time Apr-01-08 18:37:33 PDT)

 

[JonPop]

I just checked again and he has 3 of them. There used to be a lot of them on eBay, but this is the only one I found. I suggest that you bid on this and watch it. Seems like they have gotten very popular. JP

 

[babbis]

Oh, it is for the base.. I have a Lapdist cylinder with a flange so I do not have any problems with the base. Thanks for the tip anyway!