Advice needed on SizeGenetics versus Phallosan Forte

[ukmak]

Hi,
I'm 46 & in UK, complete newbie at this. I was primarily only looking to straighten a natural curve to the right, and ended up finding the SizeGenetics stretcher. At 7.4'' long and 5.6'' circumference I'd never looked into PE and didn't realise it was possible. So now I'm hoping to straighten and extend, 9'' x 6.5'' would be amazing.

I bought the SizeGenetics PE, but after several days really not happy with it, it takes ages to fit (almost impossible to get the thing the right length, the glans strapped in and it not keep slipping all the time (with every one of their fitting systems tried as I'd bought their Ultimate pack), if I can get it to stay it's still noticeably uncomfortable most of the time (pushes into the pelvis & the glans slip and it becomes increasingly bad), and it's extremely visible under clothes, I couldn't answer the door in it Also, I can't see how it can increase the size of the glans as the strap is behind it. For the 15mins or so I have had it fitted though, it seemed it would work on the shaft & would straighten, I could feel it pulling like it was working. But I can't see with the time to fit it, take it off for breaks for circulation then refit it, only do it when I can be in private because it's too visible, how I can possibly get the hours into it for it to make a real difference.

Then I came across the Phallosan Forte that looks like a perfect solution. I only bought the SizeGenetics last week so could still return as it's not worked out for me.

However, I realise I may just be having such a bad time with the SizeGenetics as a newbie and it will get easier.

So I thought I'd ask for advice, assuming no one says it's a fraud I'm going to buy the Phallosan Forte anyway, it makes too much sense being able to wear it while asleep and also for glans enlargement.

But is it also worth me keeping the SizeGenetics stretcher? Will it do anything differently / better having the 2 rather than just using the Phallosan all the time? (eg, will the Phallosan fix the curve & do the whole shaft as well as the SizeGenetics would? Would the Phallosan help overall veining like the SizeGenetic is supposed to)? Does it work as well? Do they replicate or augment / compliment one another?

Any advice would be really great, it's a lot of money having both if there's no real gain. If the Phallosan is effectively a perfect replacement for the Size Genetics I need to know quick for a can return it under the satisfaction guarantee. But will having both achieve much more if I can get the SizeGenetics to work?

Thanks

 

[pfm]

All traction devices including the phallosan forte can be uncomfortable. The straps and nooses on traditional extenders can take some trial and effort to be near comfortable. The phallosan forte foam ring becomes uncomfortable and the vacuum pressures of the bell can stress the glans. Any device that exerts some force to your penis or body will eventually become uncomfortable. You need to build up some tolerance to the stresses otherwise you will be wasting more money. Most guys assume the first time is that all you have to do is put on a device and the magic happens, but in reality to be successful you will have to find a work around for one problem or another and it is an ongoing process.

 

[Undead]

If your new to P.E you should do some research, also i hate to be the deal breaker guy but i dont see anyone gaining thos stats without manuals so look into p.e then decide on what to do. As a newby its recommended to start of with manuals to condition yourself and then move on to a device. its not as easy as you think it is.

 

[ukmak]

Thanks for the replies. I do appreciate I'd need to research and apply a whole proper program, but I'd still need a device to base the program on.

I guess I've come at it a bit differently by originally wanting to straighten a curve rather than wanting to enlarge, researching fixing a curve led me to the ScienceGenetics device, rather than to manuals or to a community. I only came across the larger scene once I'd bought the SizeGenetics device and then realised about & started looking into the enlarging benefit. Obviously enlarging would be great, but it wasn't my driver as I'm an ok size already on a slim frame (5'10'' 10.5 stone).

So I do still intend to apply a proper program, I haven't tried to start this properly yet. It's simply the case that I've already bought the SizeGenetics device, tried to fit it out of curiosity & to make sure it worked ahead of starting a program, and found that I simply can't fit it.

On SizeGenetics, so far I've put around 15 hours to 20 hours into trying to fit the thing, and only achieved total 15 mins wear out of that. And it was so visible fitted, it was clear I wouldn't be able to wear it unless in private. I just don't see how I can get hours into the thing.

Then I saw the Phallosan and it just seemed to fix all the problems - easy to fit, invisible under clothes, can be worn while sleeping. I do appreciate any device & stretching is going to involve some discomfort, I'm fine with that.

At this stage, I was just after some advice over whether the Size Genetics & Phallosan compliment one another (if there's a point to having & using both in the same program), or if they're the same enough that I could just use the Phallosan and not bother with the Size Genetics?

 

[aztempe123]

This one is simple.

The Sizegenetics is plain awful. If you buy it, you won't use it because of how it attaches. Horrible.

The phallosan is comfortable and easy to use.

Phallosan all day long.

Then, after you use phallosan for a while, get the LG hanger and use the phallosan after each session.

 

[swavey]

go with phallosan. you wont gain 2 inches from it most likely. but its so comfortable. after some hours the ring does get uncomfortable but its due to moisture. so use baby powder or wrap a sock around it once it starts to get uncomfortable. i never had an glan stress... sleeves can break kind of easy, i bought one bottle of silpoxy to repair it. i never have to order a new sleeve again

 

[dodgy]

I don't know if the Phallosan is capable of enough tension to straighten a curve, or gain any length either for that matter

 

[Kaotic]

Since you got the SG, try a modification. Either the vac mod from autoextender (monkey bar) or the VLC tugger modification from Ron Low on TLC tugger website. You should be able to wear your extender longer. You'll still have to get use to it, but its so much more comfty compared to the noose, ir comfort strap.

 

[BoneStock]

Ukmack,
The sizegenetics can be used to help straighten a curve. And yes it is terribly uncomfortable, it took me about a month to come up w/ a system that works for me and it is still very uncomfortable. But it's working. I started with the JP90 for conditioning, something you might consider.
So I warm up really well before strapping in, I have a morning exercise routine I follow and put it on after that. I found a very soft and somewhat tacky sports wrap that I use, to help w/ the discomfort of the strap. I would look for something like that. I also cut a 1/2" strip of this off and wrapped the white plastic that pushes against your pelvis w/ it. Helps with the pain there and gives a cushion so your ball skin doesn't get caught between the bars and the white plastic part.
To help with concealing it I found a 27" bungee Velcro that I use to strap it back to my inner thigh. And obviously the baggier the pants/ shorts the better!
Most importantly use a Velcro strap to pull against your curve. Mine was a slight downward curve and I have been running a strap across the bars pushing downward for about a month now and it's done wonders. I'm pretty much straight out now and when I am really engorged it points slightly up. Hope this helps and good luck!
- BS

 

[pudendal]

I like incorporating sessions with my traditional rod extender into my phallosan routine. I use the regular phallosan belt setup while out in public and to bed, but while home alone, I sometimes use an adapter I made to fit the phallosan vacuum bell as my attachment point to the rod extender base. I also still occasionally mix in a session with the old noose attachment on my rod extender to allow edema to subside outside of the vacuum while continuing to extend. I think the two systems can be complementary.

 

[ukmak]

Thanks for the replies (wasn't around for a few days as look after someone with Alzeihmer's and it can take over). I guess it's down to how good the phalosan is. If it's weaker than the size genetics I guess they're complimentary.

Thanks for the tip about putting the strap across the bars, I did try something like that as a way of trying to get decent tension. The problem with it is it doesn't compress enough, you have to be overly stretched to fit it for the small amount the bars wind out.

So, is the consensus view the phalosan is weaker than the sizegenetics & will achieve significantly less, and the sizegenetics can be made comfortable enough to wear for it to work?

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

Hi,
I'm 46 & in UK, complete newbie at this. I was primarily only looking to straighten a natural curve to the right, and ended up finding the SizeGenetics stretcher. At 7.4'' long and 5.6'' circumference I'd never looked into PE and didn't realise it was possible. So now I'm hoping to straighten and extend, 9'' x 6.5'' would be amazing.

I bought the SizeGenetics PE, but after several days really not happy with it, it takes ages to fit (almost impossible to get the thing the right length, the glans strapped in and it not keep slipping all the time (with every one of their fitting systems tried as I'd bought their Ultimate pack), if I can get it to stay it's still noticeably uncomfortable most of the time (pushes into the pelvis & the glans slip and it becomes increasingly bad), and it's extremely visible under clothes, I couldn't answer the door in it Also, I can't see how it can increase the size of the glans as the strap is behind it. For the 15mins or so I have had it fitted though, it seemed it would work on the shaft & would straighten, I could feel it pulling like it was working. But I can't see with the time to fit it, take it off for breaks for circulation then refit it, only do it when I can be in private because it's too visible, how I can possibly get the hours into it for it to make a real difference.

Then I came across the Phallosan Forte that looks like a perfect solution. I only bought the SizeGenetics last week so could still return as it's not worked out for me.

However, I realise I may just be having such a bad time with the SizeGenetics as a newbie and it will get easier.

So I thought I'd ask for advice, assuming no one says it's a fraud I'm going to buy the Phallosan Forte anyway, it makes too much sense being able to wear it while asleep and also for glans enlargement.

But is it also worth me keeping the SizeGenetics stretcher? Will it do anything differently / better having the 2 rather than just using the Phallosan all the time? (eg, will the Phallosan fix the curve & do the whole shaft as well as the SizeGenetics would? Would the Phallosan help overall veining like the SizeGenetic is supposed to)? Does it work as well? Do they replicate or augment / compliment one another?

Any advice would be really great, it's a lot of money having both if there's no real gain. If the Phallosan is effectively a perfect replacement for the Size Genetics I need to know quick for a can return it under the satisfaction guarantee. But will having both achieve much more if I can get the SizeGenetics to work?

Thanks

You cannot straighten a curve in your penis anymore than you can change the color of your eyes. The curve is genetic. You can however gain greater mobility while being erect. Meaning you'll be able to bend your penis more downwards or to the side without pain if you dedicate yourself to a rigorous PE exercise program. Neither of the devices you mention will straighten a genetic curve in your penis.

I've trained with incredible dedication for the last five years, using the LG Hanger, hand stretching (JP90) and using both air pump and Bathmate. I still have an upwards banana curve when erect, however my erection mobility is like a 5 speed stick shift..... I can perform in any sexual position I desire with no pain while maintaining a very firm erection.

 

[SmugLion]

"You cannot straighten a curve in your penis anymore than you can change the color of your eyes. The curve is genetic."

...There are people who claim they have fixed their curve. Like How to fix a curved penis .
Why do you say you cannot straighten a curve? It's genetic sure, but the penis size is also genetic and people have changed their size?

 

[closed278]

Sorry, a person can, and I have changed the curve in my penis MANY times.

It is only logical that if a substance/material can be deformed then that deformation can be targeted.

Plus in the interest of science let's be precise.

A curve can come from MANY things.

1. Tight skin of the top from circumcision.
-Fixed my own curve with skin stretching.

2. Plaque of scar tissue.
- Can be fixed through stretching.

3. (Genetic) characteristics of anatomy
- Can be overcome through vast PE methods.

For example.

1.Targeted direction of stretching leads to cell division, hyperplasia on top of penis working against an upward curve.

3. Targeted pressure pushing against only the top of the penis leads to increase cell size on the top of penis pushing against the tendency of an upward curve.

4. Stretching of mainly the top of penis loosens the ligaments and tunica more than bottom of penis leading to less of an upward curve even though the soft tissue and growth pattern, or genetics, my still cause an upward curve tendency.

I have a natural upward curve. I made it WAY worse on purpose through erect bends. This curve lasted for around a month and didn't show any sign of leaving. I am talking of an erect gain of around 10-15 degrees. Then I corrected the bend through bundled stretches and flaccid bends.

My penis bend is now as flat as it has ever been and the tip, last 2 inches now has a tendency to bend down, which it never hand until bundled stretches.

Let's not forget the , I am SURE that if you could stretch a target part of skeletal muscle your would also be able to change it's shape like a penis.

No, how much of these "fixes" can stay after quitting PE or on a maintenance routine is a VERY complicated question that is unique to each person!

Blessings
PS erect bends are an "advance" thing to do. I do not do them to the extent as the person in the PEGym videos. I just do them very light until I start to loose erection, and I adjust pressure based on erection level.

 

[SmugLion]

How long did it normally take for you to change the direction and how much time did you use on different exercises?

 

[Marlon LGHanger]

Sorry, a person can, and I have changed the curve in my penis MANY times.

It is only logical that if a substance/material can be deformed then that deformation can be targeted.

Plus in the interest of science let's be precise.



A curve can come from MANY things.

1. Tight skin of the top from circumcision.
-Fixed my own curve with skin stretching.

2. Plaque of scar tissue.
- Can be fixed through stretching.

3. (Genetic) characteristics of anatomy
- Can be overcome through vast PE methods.

For example.

1.Targeted direction of stretching leads to cell division, hyperplasia on top of penis working against an upward curve.

3. Targeted pressure pushing against only the top of the penis leads to increase cell size on the top of penis pushing against the tendency of an upward curve.

4. Stretching of mainly the top of penis loosens the ligaments and tunica more than bottom of penis leading to less of an upward curve even though the soft tissue and growth pattern, or genetics, my still cause an upward curve tendency.

I have a natural upward curve. I made it WAY worse on purpose through erect bends. This curve lasted for around a month and didn't show any sign of leaving. I am talking of an erect gain of around 10-15 degrees. Then I corrected the bend through bundled stretches and flaccid bends.

My penis bend is now as flat as it has ever been and the tip, last 2 inches now has a tendency to bend down, which it never hand until bundled stretches.

Let's not forget the , I am SURE that if you could stretch a target part of skeletal muscle your would also be able to change it's shape like a penis.

No, how much of these "fixes" can stay after quitting PE or on a maintenance routine is a VERY complicated question that is unique to each person!

Blessings
PS erect bends are an "advance" thing to do. I do not do them to the extent as the person in the PEGym videos. I just do them very light until I start to loose erection, and I adjust pressure based on erection level.

I too have done Bundles and fulcrums, and every single hand stretch angle you can implement. I still have a natural upward curve. However my erection mobility is vastly different, and if I am only 75% erect I can still penetrate with ease enjoy intercourse in any position. It's at the 75% erect level that the curve or bend in my penis is flatter, my erection isn't as hard. So if you're experiencing this then yes you have straightened the curve in your penis. I believe it all depends on the erection quality you are experiencing if you are considering "curve" in the equation. Truth is that when I am only 75% erect, my penis is actually longer, or it appears to be because I can measure length more easily. A straight line is easier to measure than a bowed line.