IGF-1 Final Questions before routine

[bwj1992]

So after lots and lots of research, I have decided I am going to take the chemical PE approach. After doing PE here and there for the past couple years I have only gained half an inch. I am at 5.5 NBPEL and 5 girth. I plan on doing the IGF-1 LR3 10mcg injection 3x a week, along with edging/sex for 1-2 hours. Now, I have some final questions for the pros before I start!!!

1. IGF-1 LR3 vs simple IGF-1...advantages/disadvantages, which one is better and why??

2. When I inject the igf, is it ok to subcutaneously inject it?? I know that is how bodybuilders do it, but all the accounts I have read have done it in the CC (probably cause it was mixed with PGE-1). I just want to make sure because this way seems much less painful.

3. I plan on mixing 1/2 cc of bac water with 10mcg of igf with a 30 gauge needle, does this sound good?

Thanks guys, I look forward to hearing from you!

 

[Discipline777]

that cycle won't do anything but lighten you wallet. Read up more about IGF-1 before you consider

 

[bwj1992]

thanks for all the help, anybody with any real knowledge?

 

[Discipline777]

why don't you do the research your self so you can draw your own conclusions. Ten minutes of reading will make you scratch that "cycle" you have written above.

 

[CUSP82]

thanks for all the help, anybody with any real knowledge?

One would expect that before one put his hand on a needle to inject himself HE would have real knowledge!

 

[OMG!]

why don't you do the research your self so you can draw your own conclusions.

For crying out loud, guys, that's what bwj is doing! He is seeking information. Simply based upon what he said in his initial post is surely evidence that he has done a lot of research already. His post here is simply more research, more seeking of information, and you slap him around like he is a punk. Very hospitable.

 

[OMG!]

So after lots and lots of research, I have decided I am going to take the chemical PE approach. After doing PE here and there for the past couple years I have only gained half an inch. I am at 5.5 NBPEL and 5 girth. I plan on doing the IGF-1 LR3 10mcg injection 3x a week, along with edging/sex for 1-2 hours. Now, I have some final questions for the pros before I start!!!

1. IGF-1 LR3 vs simple IGF-1...advantages/disadvantages, which one is better and why??

2. When I inject the igf, is it ok to subcutaneously inject it?? I know that is how bodybuilders do it, but all the accounts I have read have done it in the CC (probably cause it was mixed with PGE-1). I just want to make sure because this way seems much less painful.

3. I plan on mixing 1/2 cc of bac water with 10mcg of igf with a 30 gauge needle, does this sound good?

Thanks guys, I look forward to hearing from you!

I will try to answer some of these questions, but keep in mind as I am doing it things are changing rapidly as we are on the cutting edge of some of this stuff and the situation is very fluid.

1. LR3 is considered superior, but either is OK. IGF-1 is simply deer antler velvet extract, a new-wave, gee-whiz, anti-aging substance that comes from the velvet of deer. Most of the industry is in New Zealand. The product they sell comes from the velvet of the New Zealand Red Deer. It is open season on the product (so to speak) as it is completely unregulated, being classified as a supplement rather than a pharmaceutical. You can buy it at your local GNC or other supplement retailer, but I question the actual content of those products. Finding the right supplier, I think, is the hardest part. Do not even consider purchasing the product in any form other than powder. Any other form is likely fake.

2. Injecting is the only method I have heard of, but I don't know why. Most of the studies I have read have involved CC injections. Some of those studies have been clinical, conducted by MDs and have involved subjects in age groups from pre-puberty to senior citizen. Some of the studies have been conducted by chemical PE pioneers. The results of all the studies I have seen have been impressive. The chem PE pioneers have mixed a cocktail of a variety of chemicals/hormones for a single injection. Mind you, the best results have combined conventional PE with chemical PE.

Back to your question about injecting. You want a CC injection to keep the product "local." Wear a cock ring before and during injection to keep the product in the CC. It is hard to miss the CC with an injection, as that is what most of the penis is made of. Autoject is preferred method by many.

I also believe there are a couple of delivery methods that have not been explored, or at least not to my knowledge - transdermal and transurethral. DHT is commonly delivered transdermally (Andractim). PGE-1 is commonly delivered via the urethra (MUSE). Why can't we deliver IGF-1 using either or both of those methods. I think the answer is.... we can. As far as I know no one has tried it yet, but it should simply be a matter (transdermally, for example) of mixing IGF-1 with DMSO in the proper proportions. DMSO is awesome for transdermal application and carries whatever is mixed with it quickly through the skin. The lining of the urethra is a mucous membrane and a rapid transit system. What goes in there reaches the CC post haste.

3. Can't help you with that one. You have obviously studied a good bit on this subject. I have too. I hope I have been of some help. Don't hesitate to PM me. Godspeed and good luck in your quest for a bigger, better unit.

 

[malagabecher]

IGF-1 is simply deer antler velvet extract, a new-wave, gee-whiz, anti-aging substance that comes from the velvet of deer. Most of the industry is in New Zealand. The product they sell comes from the velvet of the New Zealand Red Deer. It is open season on the product (so to speak) as it is completely unregulated, being classified as a supplement rather than a pharmaceutical. You can buy it at your local GNC or other supplement retailer, but I question the actual content of those products. Finding the right supplier, I think, is the hardest part. Do not even consider purchasing the product in any form other than powder. Any other form is likely fake.

What t..??! Seriously? This is a joke, right? I mean.. what? IGF-1 a supplement? Deer antler velvet extract? Please tell me you are joking.

 

[OMG!]

Why would I be joking?............ Deer Antler Velvet Benefits | What is Deer Antler Velvet? | What is IGF-1? | Nutronics Labs

 

[mr.growmymeat]

You can dramatically increase HGH and it's metabolites naturally with proper diet and workout(up to 530% for up to 2 hrs after a workout).. this is when I do PE and I think it's a great idea. Workouts should be kept to 45 minutes and be high intensity.. heavy lifting, plyometrics, sprints.. long slow cardio will be non-helpful and potentially counter productive. I gained .25 inches in length in my first 25 days of PE doing it this way. No need to inject it when you can force yourself to produce it naturally. Helps burn fat too.. thicken skin and make it more elastic as well.

 

[Wantmorebulge]

1. IGF-1 LR3 vs simple IGF-1...advantages/disadvantages, which one is better and why??

2. When I inject the igf, is it ok to subcutaneously inject it?? I know that is how bodybuilders do it, but all the accounts I have read have done it in the CC (probably cause it was mixed with PGE-1). I just want to make sure because this way seems much less painful.

3. I plan on mixing 1/2 cc of bac water with 10mcg of igf with a 30 gauge needle, does this sound good?

Thanks guys, I look forward to hearing from you!

1 I guess IGF1LR3 because it should have a longer life span, but that is based on its actions in striated muscle tissue. Smooth muscle may vary as IGF1 has a number of complementary binding proteins that alter its kinetics.

2 I would inject into the cavernosum rather than subcutaneously. The IGF1 should get as close to the CC as possible, as that is the tissue you want to modulate.

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1. LR3 is considered superior, but either is OK. IGF-1 is simply deer antler velvet extract, ....

This is rubbish. There maybe traces of IGF1 in a slab of beef, but it does not mean that I would consider injecting it into me. Doing so could result in your dick turning black and being chopped off - necrosis. Any IGF1 that is swallowed will have its sequence chopped up by pepsin, and will be ineffective.

That deer antler velvet stuff is companies trying to cash in on people who want the results but either don't understand or don't want to deal with the real drugs.

The IGF1 we are talking about here is recombinant human IGF-1. It's a freeze dried white powder that comes in little sterile bottles, reconstituted with sterile water and is injected.

You can dramatically increase HGH and it's metabolites naturally with proper diet and workout(up to 530% for up to 2 hrs after a workout)..

Systemic hGH is very different from localized effects of IGF1. That is exactly why many bodybuilders inject both IGF1 into their muscles and hGH subcutaneously as the effects are very different. This is also why people use these drugs instead of relying on transient increases in hGH from lactate.

Getting fit in the gym is a good idea for everyone, but it won't make his shlong grow, and this is "chemical pe" section rather than "few lines on how to get fit in the gym" section.