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I can relate the the OP quite a bit, as I have some of the same insecurities.

But just because a guy is quite successful with women, doesn't mean that he knows how to lay the pipe down.

There is an article written by a woman who slept with Tucker Max (who is known for pumping and dumping hundreds of women), and tells how he was like a jackhammer, and that she faked her orgasm just so he would stop.

There was no emotional connection whatsoever, the only thing she got out of the encounter was a story to tell.

I'm just saying that many girls have the same lame encounters with cads, but gaining nothing from it, and basically being used as a substitute for the cad's right hand.

Girls don't fantasize of being one of many women serving a cad, they wan't to be with a stoic man who will treat her right. Your girlfriend would rather be with you then be one of the many women who is seeing a player.

You can google the article that I am talking about, it shouldn't be hard to find.
 
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That's the thing.....I know that she will be devastated, but she is also strong, and will move on relatively quickly.....but that I will be here with way more lingering attachment. The only way I can get over her is to find another woman, and, despite the very big negatives regarding her past, that is going to be hard to find. We get along very well and always laugh together. Very tough choice to make here. I wish it didn't have to be like this. I wish I could get past it, but I am not sure.

I don't in any way think coming here and talking to you fine people was a mistake, and I know I seem to have taken a turn for the worse, but, honestly, I didn't know what else to do. Half my male friends are christians, and virgins, so I am kind of all alone on the male-support side.

My only two options are these:

A. Dump her, crush her, don't go to europe with her, don't spend new years in paris etc, and have a bigger complex than I do now, worry about the new "better" guys she's seeing and for rest of my life wonder if I made the wrong choice, and if I threw real love away, or

B. Somehow put this behind me. Admittedly hard to do when the event that is traumatizing me is probably captured on some guy's phone, in his computer, on the computers and in the email boxes of his friends, and god knows, maybe even on a website. For all I know the guy has his own website. I just thought of it too....there's probably video too! Easier than a photo....no flash. God, I want to get struck by a meteor right now. Why did SHE, of all people, have to do something like that? I mean, there are plenty of stupid party girls for this sh*t to happen to, why her? I don't have anything in my past like that. In fact, I haven't made any mistakes in my life, aside from dating her I'm now thinking.

I don't want to tell you what you need to do because no one wants to be told what they NEED to do.........in most instances, most people know what they need to do.

But, I do like to put myself in other people's shoes and imagine it was me who was dealing with this. IF it were me dealing with all of this, I would tell myself I have 2 choices: 1. Get the hell over it and move forward with her or 2. Break it off and date other women because this world is WAY too full of single, eligible women who would love to date me.

If I seriously felt something for her and she apologized and made amends with me, I'd forgive and move on with her. However, if it happened again, she'd be done. Everyone deserves a second chance. However, I'm not truthfully the one in this situation, you are. Do whatever makes you most comfortable and allows you to positively move forward.
 

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Okay, to preface things....I am drunk, and very angry right now. I am not telling you to take this with a grain of salt, as there is a lot of honesty here, but it will probably read a lot harsher to me in the morning then it does at the moment, when the cobwebs begin to clear.

I'm trying to figure out what to do. I can't help but feel resentment towards her, because if she had just not said anything, I would still have those blissful loving feelings towards her. Didn't she know any better? Whatever the reason, she has changed the way I look at her forever. For instance, I was trying to look at some pictures of her today, but then was immediately reminded of how there are very different pictures of her....and it pissed me off so much that I couldn't look at her pictures anymore.

The thing that makes this so awful is that I REALLY likes this girl. Big time. Like, I was borderline, "drop everything and run away with her". Too bad. I'm supposed to get on a bus to see her at the farm....she's telling me how she's so excited and how she's going to make hot-cocoa and we will have snowball fights and try out the new bedroom and bed, (She finished a bedroom in the old house for us) but I just know that when I see her walking towards me in the snow, instead of being a romantic moment, it's just going to be her with those feelings, and I can never have them again for her like I did.

I am not naive. I just watched, "The english patient", and THAT type of love is clearly illusory. If she hadn't of told me those things, we probably would have had personality conflicts and my feelings for her would dwindle, along with her feelings for me. It's natural for the flame to die. However, I wish it didn't die in that fashion, and so quickly.

I keep hoping that, upon being re-united after or three weeks off, that seeing her in person and being with her once more will change my mind, because I really want to be able to love her, but I doubt that that can happen. I guess I am not manly enough. My problem is that I am a romantic at heart, and I think that these days it is a terrible thing.

Even if women become romantic, they base it almost universally on the concept that sex is sex and love is love. There is somehow a difference, apparently. Women perpetuate this idea that no matter how much cock they've had, they are all somehow deserving of being loved. Well, only by chumpy beta male types I guess, cause I am not one of those weak-willed men. I won't have some guys sloppy-seconds. He can have MINE.

We men are supposed to be OKAY with the fact that virtually EVERY woman we will meet, date and be with has been pummeled in college by voluminous reams of man whores. We are supposed to be understanding and just accept the fact that women get to be all slutty and make "mistakes" when they are young, in the name of "finding themselves" or other such nonsense, and we are supposed to love them in spite of it. There is nothing wrong with women being slutty. They can do whatever they want. But they shouldn't think that there's always gonna be nice, good-looking guys for you to be with once the fun is over. No, sometimes that isn't an entitlement. No, us nice guys often have standards, and if we have even one-iota of game, we may not want a girl that made "mistakes". I know I don't.

I am not asking for a virgin. I am just asking for a woman that thinks of sex as somewhat special, not just "fun". I don't view it as that. Maybe that's my problem. I don't even care if they were in love or anything with their past partners - hell, if I had a vagina, I'd want some cock every once in a while too - but I just don't like the exploitation that they seem all-too willing to expose themselves to. More than that too, I hate the men that get to have all the fun and leave guys like me with their "left-overs". Those types of men may not be the best lovers, but they still got to fuck your woman and forget about her the next day. When I told her about how jealous I am of that guy that she slept with, she said, "but that type of man will never know love", news flash idiot.....he doesn't care. He doesn't need to know love when idiotic women like you will throw themselves at him all the time. Stupid bitch. There has to be a woman out there for me who hasn't let a douche-bag abuse her. If there is, I am going to find one and never let her go.

Needles to say, I am going to break up with her and find a woman who places more value on herself, her dignity and her body. This one may love me, but she made a huge mistake in divulging her "secret" to me. In thinking that we had some sort of special bond, she felt it necessary to tell me the ONE thing that would ruin our relationship. I wonder if she'll get a complex when I tell her WHY I am dumping her.

I have a slight logistical and ethical problem though....it is near christmas, and she has wanted to have a snowy north american christmas for years. She has no friends or family to stay with. Should I fake my way through the holidays with her, and endure having to look at her and be around her for the sake of her emotional health? Her flight home is on the 29th. I am supposed to go, but I can cancel my flight within 24 hours. Should I bring her to the airport and do it there? Gad, I have never broken up with a girl before. I don't know how to do it. How would you guys let her know?
 

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Umm have you considered pysc help from a pro rather than the internet?
 

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I see a therapist. The one thing I am doing now is staying away from porn. I am not realizing the benefits yet, but I hope to one day. You guys have actually helped immensely though, so I can't say this thread has been a bad call on my part. I may not have gotten over my insecurity...but I am about to get rid of my problem.....her, and I wouldn't have been strong enough to do that so quickly were it not for the great advice I was given by you guys. Seriously. I only ever did have two choices....I chose option b. It is the only way to make the horrible images go away. If I don't have her in my life....no more images, no more revulsion at the sight of her, no more nausea when she touches me and tries to be close with me. I really never saw how clear cut it could be. This thread has allowed me to distil all of my thoughts into one crystalline truth, and I am very grateful for the opportunity to be able to do that amongst intelligent and wise people such as yourselves.

I have also decided to NEVER get into a relationship again. They are not for me. I am going to begin my pump and dump process. I may even go to university and take some courses just to meet women. I'm putting myself on dating sites and working it. I figure I can at least get a new chick every month or so if I work it. I am not shy anymore, so no issue there. With the P.A.D. approach, I also get the added benefit of not having to worry about my penis size anymore: if I don't care for the woman or her pleasure, I don't care about what she thinks of my penis. As long as I get pleasure from it, I win. I have many, many years of man-whoring to catch up on.

The only issue I have now is how to dump her without making it too harsh....she has nowhere else to live....maybe she can stay with my parents until then. God, this christmas was supposed to be great....but she had to ruin it with honesty. Guess she'll lie in the bed she made.
 

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You are begining to give in to all the the negativ thourgts, dont do it Its not the answer and it will darken you life.

Its the the virgin girls you need to be scared off, if a woman that have had many partners chose you it just makes you that more off a man, dont be one of those deluded guys that end up with a tai virgin wife .

Its true that woman today have more partners , but the only thing that dos is making them more picky with who the chose to be with.
 

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But that guy still had her, and it meant nothing to him. If she meant nothing to him and he got to be as intimate with her as I ever can, then how can she mean something to me? She is used goods.
 

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I could keep her around and use her for sex....but the problem is, then I would have to FAKE that I liked her still. Even if you have sex five times a day, you still have several hours of non sex things to do, like talking and things. I can't do that much talking with something I despise.
 

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But that guy still had her, and it meant nothing to him. If she meant nothing to him and he got to be as intimate with her as I ever can, then how can she mean something to me? She is used goods.

Why cant you be as intimate with her as him ?
 

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You are begining to give in to all the the negativ thourgts, dont do it Its not the answer and it will darken you life.

Its the the virgin girls you need to be scared off, if a woman that have had many partners chose you it just makes you that more off a man, dont be one of those deluded guys that end up with a tai virgin wife .

Its true that woman today have more partners , but the only thing that dos is making them more picky with who the chose to be with.

I married a virgin. Does that make me deluded and less of a man? You know someone (me) could easily take offense to this type of rhetoric. I was not looking for a virgin it just so happenned that she was and I didn't know I should have been scared of her.
 

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I think that therapist has a lot of work in front of him.
 

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I married a virgin. Does that make me deluded and less of a man? You know someone (me) could easily take offense to this type of rhetoric. I was not looking for a virgin it just so happenned that she was and I didn't know I should have been scared of her.

You are right sorry im not thinking clearly thise days.

I was just trying to prove a point to the OT
 

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You are right sorry im not thinking clearly thise days.

I was just trying to prove a point to the OT

No problem bro.I kind of figured that was your intent.I have put my foot in my mouth more than once here. At least you didn't tell me you could bone my wife better than I could like some other guy here did. I will admit that it would be cool to have a women pick you after being with other men as long as you can keep the jealously in check.Take care.
 
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Hey Joeaboveaverage. Don't let one relationship ruin your entire outlook of women. From your descriptions she sounds like a sweet girl that is guilty of some past indescretions and unfortunatley felt comfortable enough around you to tell you about it. People do change. Dont let the pendulum swing too far to one side.
 

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But why is it that for every girl with a "past" that has changed, there is some douchebag who got to use her and take photos? I garantee you his life is better than mine. He slept with half the dormitory. If he ever saw me with her, he would laugh to himself that I am such a chump.
 

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The other thing that makes this so much more difficult is the fact that in order to continue having sex with her, I need to pretend that I care. English is not her first language, so I need to learn French. I can't really learn a new language when I loath the only person I can speak it with. Gad, I hate the dating scene so much, and I hate condoms. This is going to be really frustrating. I wish I never met her.
 

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But why is it that for every girl with a "past" that has changed, there is some douchebag who got to use her and take photos? I garantee you his life is better than mine. He slept with half the dormitory. If he ever saw me with her, he would laugh to himself that I am such a chump.

I would think most would consider him to be the dickhead. I don't quite understand all the focus on the picture. Did she even really consent to him taking it. I would have more of a problem if she straight out said something like "his dick was so big and he made me orgasm so hard" etc. or similiar graphic details. I know that would drive me nuts. But a photo that she may have been coerced into going along with. Not so much, at least for me.
 

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She said he just "tried" to, but she stopped him, but I don't believe her. She didn't consent, at any rate.

But a man like that lives a better life than most of us no? Vitually any woman he wants....I mean, he can't keep a woman.....but why would you want to keep one when you can have endless variety? His job is to fuck them first, then let guys like me have his sloppy-seconds. He will live a happier life than me, hands down. I can also garantee that if he ever wants to settle down, he can find a woman who will love him in spite of all the sh*t he did. The universe isn't fair. I wish I would get hit by a bus tomorrow. I really do. He won.
 

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Fuck that guy. If Anything it sounds more like she was manipulated by this jerk. I would be pist at that guy. Its starting to sound more and more like she was just another victim of the jerkoff. Its not exactly a parallel comparison but if she was raped would you still consider her "sloppy seconds". Give it some time and you will probably look back and say "what the f*** was I thinking". Take care. Signing off for the night.