Honest Opinion from a Woman Needed(? Regarding Girth)

[TTBB]

Women view penis girth size like this.. Thin, Thick and too big.No measurements attached sometimes relative to how it feels which is individual to each women... How humans view girth in measurement, it doesn't mean the measurements attached to size are correct...its about perception and perspective.

Most men don't even measure or know what their girth is.. Most conversations about penis size, the measurement given is about length.. Even if you told a women you girth measurement it doesn't mean she would be able to process what that means or more then likely and extra .5 in girth would mean nothing to to her because in the mind there is very little difference between 5 vrs 5.5 inches...sure when it comes down to how things fit together .5 can make a difference, depending on the slot that you are having to fit into...But as a whole measurements mean bugger all to females, even when it comes to cock... who the penis works and how it feels matter not the label of what size it is.

I am really not sure where the whole women prefer 5.5 girth comes from and i wouldn't trust that women(humans as a whole) are educated on what exactly that means when it comes to circumference measuring and mass.

I have always admitted that I am not good at judging girth..I never had thought about it before I came here...
Never had it ever come up in conversation ...I am a better judge then most women because of my training in fine art, but when estimating girth I will always have a .5 cushion ie i will be within .5 of the correct measurement(sometimes exact sometimes not) because of perspective(length, body size, hand size, angle of view, big balls, little balls, jungle, clean shaved, measurement association i have with previous penis) and shape (round, oblong, thick in the top narrow in the middle, thick at the base thin at the head, ) tends to vary from man to man.

Don't get caught up on the studies or what is preferred or what females like... because there are too many factors that influence what females think they know and what they think they should say and no real tests to check that they really know what measurement is what, or what history they have that influenced their view of penis and sex.

 

[Steve23]

Well said.

 

[ratta]

Guys, why has no one said it? It is about the WOW factor! Been to the gym and seen an average penis and gone WOW? Maybe you dont ever notice, but I tell you when someone comes out of the shower carrying a flaccid 6 X 4 I definitely think WOW. I am not long, but I am thick and I love to get the wow when a girl first sees it. It does help your confidence. It makes you better prepared for the next time you are flirting with a girl. I can tell you that confidence plays a big role in the dating life of a single guy. What gives you confidence? Me? A pretty decent career, a great sense of humor, and well a decent sized unit doesn't hurt.

absolutely. That's why I always shower at home after the gym. I'm a huge grower. Once a girl even laughed at my dick when she saw it flaccid. I think I'm still chewing on that situation, and it's been like 10 years ago.

You are VERY big. Your girth is huge.

It's normal to see yourself differently than others see you. After all you live with yourself every second of every day, so nothing about you is going to seem remarkable.

I'm 6'2, which is not average height by any stretch of the imagination, yet I never see myself as tall. In my own head I'm average height - maybe 5'9 or 5'10. Sometimes when I catch sight of my reflection standing next to other people, especially average height girls, I'm always surprised at how tall I appear. I'm not in the slightest bit hung up about my height -I'm just trying to demonstrate how familiarity with your own body can distort perception.

Thanks for the nice words. And I fully understand that the I see myself different then others. But my confidence does not lack because of the size of my unit when it's erect. My problem is that I'm a grower, well yeah, and that PE stuff. There are a lot of girls out there that judge you(r unit) based on it's flacid size. A lot of girls don't even know about things like grower/shower.

 

[ExS]

Tink, those are some wise words.

 

[sekeris]

I think you misunderstand what Jung meant by the collective unconscious (not subconscious). He was referring to what he called "archetypes" of the psyche - loosely speaking, the innate behaviour of the mind - that is common to us all, or part of a "Universal Mind". He did not suggest that it is possible to obtain empirical data, or to analyse it, by employing some kind of psychic voodoo.

What Jung? I am not talking about no Jung of any kind. What voodoo? Voodoo has nothing to do with collective subconcious. I am talking about real thing, and I know how to get it, not very hard, anyone can do it.

 

[drabman]

What Jung? I am not talking about no Jung of any kind. What voodoo? Voodoo has nothing to do with collective subconcious. I am talking about real thing, and I know how to get it, not very hard, anyone can do it.

Explain what you mean then. The nod-and-a-wink stuff and the use of quasi-mystic phrases like "collective subconscious" gives the impression that you are privy to some arcane knowledge, that mysteriously allows you to deduce the average woman's number of sexual partners more accurately than surveys carried out with scientific methodology.

 

[drabman]

absolutely. That's why I always shower at home after the gym. I'm a huge grower. Once a girl even laughed at my dick when she saw it flaccid. I think I'm still chewing on that situation, and it's been like 10 years ago...

Any woman who would do that, when they know full well how hurtful it is, is a f***ing b*tch of the highest order. I really don't believe most women would be so deliberately spiteful. It's easy for me to say, but you shouldn't let someone like that affect you so profoundly. It's a bit like a black person letting their self-confidence be undermined by the fact that the Grand Wizard of the Ku-Klux Klan hates them for the colour of their skin. Who gives f*ck what a moron like that thinks?

Thanks for the nice words. And I fully understand that the I see myself different then others. But my confidence does not lack because of the size of my unit when it's erect. My problem is that I'm a grower, well yeah, and that PE stuff. There are a lot of girls out there that judge you(r unit) based on it's flacid size. A lot of girls don't even know about things like grower/shower.

I've never got the impression that "most" girls judge a man on the size of his flaccid penis. What makes you think they do? In what situation would a woman see your penis flaccid, but not erect anyway? I can't think of one that would be frequent enough to worry about. It's only happened to me once, by accident. If you're a huge grower and you were about to have sex with a woman, does it really matter if your flaccid is what you believe to be small? What size is it anyway?

I don't think the average guy has a particularly noticeable bulge in normally tight clothes, so if that's what you're alluding to I can't see that not having a bulge would alert them to the fact you're small. As for the shower thing, it's a long time since I've had a communal shower, but I can't say I particularly looked down on guys who might have been smaller.

I think it's got more to do with self-esteem than the actual size of your penis - I suspect some guys would still be hung up if they achieved the size they believe they want. Often it's all in your head. I mentioned before that when I was in my teens/twenties, I used to believe I was small-to-average, even though I am significantly larger than average both flaccid and erect.

I'm not going to be disingenous; it can be fun to have a noticeable bulge sometimes - women do look, despite what they often say. I'm not sure whether that is simple curiosity or approbation, as some men look too. However if you don't have a particularly noticeable bulge it's hardly something to be concerned about.

 

[drabman]

Tinkerbell; superb stuff. All the guys on here should read and digest it.

Sadly I think some will dismiss it on the basis that, "she would say that anyway" and continue to beat themselves up unnecessarily.

 

[Total_Honesty]

Gotta give some Total_Honesty on this topic:

Men tend to view their penis as a source of power, kinda like how women view their breasts. A big dick means more power (ego) and more power means more confidence. A small dick, especially compared to a big dick, will make him feel like he's a less of a man. When a woman says that "It doesn't matter how big it is", what a man interprets is "It's small". Try it ladies. Tell your man that and see what his reaction is. While your at it, tell him that you don't always orgasm after sex and that it doesn't matter because it's about the journey and not the destination. Sure it might be true, but if he doesn't looked crushed right then and there, I'm sure he will be later on when you ain't around. One of the main components of the male ego is orgasm (sex) and the ability to make our woman cum like they've never cum before. If he feels like he can't do that, it's devastating. That's why impotence makes a man feel like sh*t. Let me put it to you another way. Its like when you train for a race for 3 months, wind up in last place and someone tells you that "You tried". You didn't train for months just to "try". You came to win. It feels insulting. It's like getting a trophy just for participating. What's the glory in that?

Get what I'm saying?

 

[TTBB]

So what are you saying is females should lie (not be totally honest) with the reality that cock size isn't that important to us? Pretend we have never experienced other penis before? Fake orgasms? Add fuel to the falsehood that women have to have orgasms to enjoy sex and that you are failing in the sexual sense if i am not moaning cursing and cumming like a pornstar? Say to a man who knows his cock is in the small range that he has the biggest penis in the world? Because when we don't pander to the ego(penis) the man can't have belief in his sexual ability and tools ..that females can't win regardless of the fact no put downs were said or directed at him, his sexual ability or his penis? that man is penis and his worth is based on his ability to be a penis??

 

[rbi99]

Any woman who would do that, when they know full well how hurtful it is, is a f***ing b*tch of the highest order. I really don't believe most women would be so deliberately spiteful. It's easy for me to say, but you shouldn't let someone like that affect you so profoundly. It's a bit like a black person letting their self-confidence be undermined by the fact that the Grand Wizard of the Ku-Klux Klan hates them for the colour of their skin. Who gives f*ck what a moron like that thinks?






I've never got the impression that "most" girls judge a man on the size of his flaccid penis. What makes you think they do? In what situation would a woman see your penis flaccid, but not erect anyway? I can't think of one that would be frequent enough to worry about. It's only happened to me once, by accident. If you're a huge grower and you were about to have sex with a woman, does it really matter if your flaccid is what you believe to be small? What size is it anyway?

I don't think the average guy has a particularly noticeable bulge in normally tight clothes, so if that's what you're alluding to I can't see that not having a bulge would alert them to the fact you're small. As for the shower thing, it's a long time since I've had a communal shower, but I can't say I particularly looked down on guys who might have been smaller.

I think it's got more to do with self-esteem than the actual size of your penis - I suspect some guys would still be hung up if they achieved the size they believe they want. Often it's all in your head. I mentioned before that when I was in my teens/twenties, I used to believe I was small-to-average, even though I am significantly larger than average both flaccid and erect.

I'm not going to be disingenous; it can be fun to have a noticeable bulge sometimes - women do look, despite what they often say. I'm not sure whether that is simple curiosity or approbation, as some men look too. However if you don't have a particularly noticeable bulge it's hardly something to be concerned about.

You have never taken your clothes off in front of a woman and been flaccid? Now I grant you I am married, but my wife sees my flaccid hang all the time. She has often seen me lying in bed and my flaccid hang still turns her on (her words) even if she is only in there to get something and leaves right away. For me personally, I am glad that I am a shower and have many opportunities to display it!!! Showering after work or in the gym, you don't think being a shower isn't at least a slight ego boost then being a grower (after all you would be the only one who knew you were a grower)? I have done PE to enhance both flaccid and erect states. I am what I am, and I can live with it either way, but if I can improve on it (my definition of) I will. Same reason why I lift and have lifted for many years (health benefits aside).

I know I have a lot of girth and very decent length, but quite frankly my wife is the only person I have ever made love to. Since she has always been able to handle my size without any problems, I never saw myself as being bigger than most guys. In fact I thought I was average or below. That being said, I never had any hangups regarding my size, I just went with it.

 

[Total_Honesty]

So what are you saying is females should lie (not be totally honest) with the reality that cock size isn't that important to us? Pretend we have never experienced other penis before? Fake orgasms? Add fuel to the falsehood that women have to have orgasms to enjoy sex and that you are failing in the sexual sense if i am not moaning cursing and cumming like a pornstar? Say to a man who knows his cock is in the small range that he has the biggest penis in the world? Because when we don't pander to the ego(penis) the man can't have belief in his sexual ability and tools ..that females can't win regardless of the fact no put downs were said or directed at him, his sexual ability or his penis? that man is penis and his worth is based on his ability to be a penis??

What the hell were you reading? I did not say any of that! I said that if you told your man that it doesn't matter what size cock he has, he will interpret it as you think his penis is small, especially if he tells you to compare his penis to her ex. I did not say fake orgasms. I said that when a woman fakes an orgasm, it hurts the male pride when he finds out you did it. A man wants his girl to feel good about sex as he does. No man wants his girl to fake orgasms. It's an ego deflater.

Let me turn this around on you TINKERBELL: If you asked your man if you thought you looked fat in a dress and he replied "It doesn't matter to me if you look fat in that dress", wouldn't that piss you off even though he meant it as a compliment? Same thing here. And don't give me that crap about how women can't win. I've been in a few arguments with my ex when we dated where I couldn't win in any sort of situation.

 

[CUSP82]

My wife asks me that dress question all the time. I say" well not at all honey but that's just my opinion; the rest of the world may have a different opinion." A person that is confident in themselves and in their relationship doesn't get ticked off over silly things like that.
As for faking it, do you think a woman would ever tell you that she did if she cared about you? All that stuff about " you never even gave me an orgasm;I had to fake it" is just argument talk and is therefore silly.

 

[Total_Honesty]

My wife asks me that dress question all the time. I say" well not at all honey but that's just my opinion; the rest of the world may have a different opinion." A person that is confident in themselves and in their relationship doesn't get ticked off over silly things like that.
As for faking it, do you think a woman would ever tell you that she did if she cared about you? All that stuff about " you never even gave me an orgasm;I had to fake it" is just argument talk and is therefore silly.

I gotta admit, that line was funny.

During sex, a man expects a woman to cum if she starts to moan and scream and such. If a woman faked an orgasm, it would be terrible because he was under the presumption that he made her orgasm. Some of my best orgasms were when my girl moaned and shook like she was in an earthquake.

Let me put it like this: Let's say that a woman gets romanced by her husband (chocolates, flowers, etc.) every month for over ten years. She absolutely LOVES this because it makes her feel like she's on top of the world. One day, she finds out that every so often he didn't want to do it but did it because he thought it woud make her happy. Wouldn't that make her upset?

 

[CUSP82]

A man does expect a woman to orgasm everytime. The fact is they don't. Sometimes it just ain't happening for no
reason whatsoever. If you ask them if they came they always say "oh honey of course you always make me cum': because we would be devastated if they didn't and think we had none been good enough. They are pretty smart. ( at times)
As for times when she wants to and I really don't because I'm tired or whatever, I just throw a flag over her head and do it because it's my patriotic duty to it.

 

[TTBB]

I have never asked a man if i look fat in something.. I ask if i look ok.
IF i think i look fat in something i change into something else,
i don't ask if i look fat because that is a loaded question and i also know how i feel about what i am wearing and i also know when i do or don't look fat in something.

And all the stuff you were saying about the man and his penis, is a no brainer as in i am not so dumb that i don't know that sh*t...so my response was questions to you, Mr 'Totatally honest'... men are the way they are but women shouldn't have to dance around the penis stroking the ego...which is basically what your statement was saying. IMO

This is a female perspective thread, i gave female perspective on how women view girth.

 

[CUSP82]

While you're at it Tink do I look fat to you in my Peter Pan tights?

 

[TTBB]

Fat in one area but its a good area

 

[Total_Honesty]

I have never asked a man if i look fat in something.. I ask if i look ok.
IF i think i look fat in something i change into something else,
i don't ask if i look fat because that is a loaded question and i also know how i feel about what i am wearing and i also know when i do or don't look fat in something.

And all the stuff you were saying about the man and his penis, is a no brainer as in i am not so dumb that i don't know that sh*t...so my response was questions to you, Mr 'Totatally honest'... men are the way they are but women shouldn't have to dance around the penis stroking the ego...which is basically what your statement was saying. IMO

This is a female perspective thread, i gave female perspective on how women view girth.

First off, its Total_Honesty, not Totatally honest.

Second, I wasn't saying woman shouldn't dance around the subject. Just be totally honest about it. You can't improve something by not telling the truth about what needs to be done.

Third, I appreciate your responces in these threads.

 

[TTBB]

I am honest when it comes to men and their penis... but how you phrase the honesty can make or break someone and being brutal or blunt about things that can't be changed does not help, it hinders a person...Even if its things that can be changed if you wound the ego or the person to much with the honesty it puts a person in a worst psychological position then if you use constructive phrasing.

And cock size doesn't matter to me, if a man takes that as an insult or negative about his cock and it hurts his ego then he has to get over himself..because me saying cock size doesn't matter is not me saying how he uses it doesn't matter and its not saying his cock isn't important to me as a female.