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* He STRONGLY recommended that I try MUSE at a very low dose (like 25% of the full-fledged erection-causing dose), because this brings blood flow to the penis. He has brought up MUSE with me before and I keep pushing it off. This time he used the words "I am begging you to try this." He felt MUSE is particularly important for me, because of my soft glans involvment and my pale, cold glans (which came about 30 days after my HF set in), but that it might also help the HF. He was adamant about it - he even gave me a MUSE to take home and try. I will add this into my "plan" (see below) but candidly I am not too excited about applying the MUSE (which I know is weird since I have undergone so many other tests and creams and pills... but for some reason this one is psychologically difficult for me). He also reported that a few of his patients have tried MUSE for a few months and that they began experiencing improved blood flow to the penis even when not taking MUSE -- suggesting some kind of a "cure" or "improvement" can occur. This has some appeal to me because, as I have written before, I do wonder if there is some urethral syndrome going on here, and MUSE brings blood flow to the urethra, spongiosum and glans...


I am particularly interested in this, SearchForTheCure did your docter tell you anymore information about this?
Or anyone as a matter of fact know more about this MUSE product ( Prostaglandin E1)?

The reason is because reading that it brings bloodflow through the urethra and spongiosum has heightend my interest since, THAT MAIN AREA is constantly tough and tender for me...so i think if the cream can improve on bloodflow there, then it might sort my problem out...or be very close to it!

 

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Hey guys. Had a nice quiet weekend away with some friends. Really helped clear the mind.

Looks like some great new discussions going on here. Just a heads-up, planning to launch the forum over at hardflaccid.org, and have some new posts coming to the site today as well.

Also had a small breakthrough in my own condition this weekend. Lots to talk about.

Stay tuned, will be back on later!
 

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Just posted the information that was sent to me by the guy who cured himself with supplements. Please leave comments, he has said he is willing to discuss this in detail and answer questions.

CLICK HERE
 

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So what is to be said for those of us who did not abstain? This man says we needed to have abstained at the beginning. Also, I do not have the wherewithal to get most of these supplements. Where do you find half of these supplements?
 

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So what is to be said for those of us who did not abstain? This man says we needed to have abstained at the beginning. Also, I do not have the wherewithal to get most of these supplements. Where do you find half of these supplements?

Ask him on the site in the comments. But I don't think you are doomed if you didn't abstain from day 1. I did, and I bet you and I are in the same exact shape. Don't be all doom and gloom. People quit smoking after 25 years. It's worth it. Just do it. Ha, or should I say, Just DON'T do it. :p
 

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Also, what I dont understand about the PE/BC muscle relation to this, is how did we possibly hurt our Perineum muscles when most of us got this through masturbation or PE? I am more inclined to think that the perineum symptoms are rather a symptom of the injury than the cause.
 

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Are you going to try the method using all of the supplements obitoo?
 

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Obi, definitely would like to hear about your breakthrough.
 

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Also, what I dont understand about the PE/BC muscle relation to this, is how did we possibly hurt our Perineum muscles when most of us got this through masturbation or PE? I am more inclined to think that the perineum symptoms are rather a symptom of the injury than the cause.

What you don't seem to understand is that every single nerve, muscle and blood vessel from your butthole to your penis are connected. The parts of the pelvis are so closely connected that they behave like one big obnoxious body part. The nerve that provides sensitivity on your penis is the same nerve that tells your butt to close when you are done farting. It's on nerve running the length of the entire pelvis. Likewise, your penis connect to the bulb which connects to the PC which connects to the BC which connects to your anus.

It's all connected. This is why when my testicles hurt I can massage the back of my thighs and the pain disappears instantly. It took me 2 months of taking antibiotics for an infection that never existed to realize that. When I have pain in my penis I can get it to go away by massaging my tailbone. When you ejaculate you are using every single muscle down there, including a bunch inside you didn't even know had. And the main nerve that controls all this stuff runs right through the middle of a tangled mess of muscle, tissue, blood and god knows what. It's just a muscle like any other. It can get sprained, ripped, ruptured and pulled. Your penis is not a standalone self-operating device. It is completely controlled by a whole team of brain, gland and body parts. If one of them shits the bed then anything can stop working.

As for nerves, I've said it a million times; A nerve can only be stretched a MAXIMUM of 12% before it starts to get destroyed. I'm not even convinced this is a nerve stretch injury at all. But if it is, masturbation and/or pulling on your penis in any way is certainly a very good candidate for the cause of it.
 

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Are you going to try the method using all of the supplements obitoo?

Nope. I think everyone needs their own plan. I think doctors are the best place to start, but if you must go off and try things on your own then what worked for one dude isn't going to work for you. If you go into it expecting that then you are just going to be disappointed. Everyone needs to take a very close look at the most likely causes, figure out which one fits their own situation best, figure out potential treatments for it (or them) and come up with a plan to try of your own. Trying what some other guy tried to a tee isn't the answer in my opinion. We are all very different inside.

Example; I'm battling low testosterone so I have to be careful not to take certain things to not mess that up. Also, turns out the thing that works the best for me so far is eating salmon. Yep. No weird herbs or pills. Just eating salmon. I've been taking loads of fish oil and the results were iffy at best. But eating salmon really softens me up consistently. It took me a month of trial and error to get to that point. But it's huge for me and is helping me figure out how I need to tackle the inflammation angle on my own. You might fare better with walnuts, or something else altogether, or you may not even have any inflammation at all. You need to figure that out on your own. Waiting around for other people to get better is a waste of time. You'll just end up watching other people get better.

Start a daily log. That's what I'm doing. Foods, meds, supplements, hard flaccid, pains, morning wood, whatever. It's all being tracked and it's been very useful.
 

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Hey guys. I've posted in hard flaccid threads a few times, with various healing techniques, but they didn't get much attention. But I have total confidence now that the techniques are effective. I don't know if they'll work for everyone, but for anyone who got HF from penis stretching (like me), give it a try. Of course, don't expect results overnight, but stay consistent and you SHOULD see drastic improvement. I won't be held liable for any damage caused by these techniques. All I know is this healed my hard flaccid.

First, here's a list of things I've tried:

Fish Oil
Magnesium Oil
Ginkgo Biloba
TENS unit on legs, back, perineum
Trigger point massage
Internal massage
Relaxation

I noticed the first signs of recovery while using a TENS unit. It's a pretty risky device though, so I don't recommend it. Out of curiosity, I placed it on my penis, stimulating the wrong nerve, and everything went numb for a week. If you're gonna use a TENS, keep it away from your genitals! Anyway, I think there was a nerve somewhere in my perineum that caused HF. There was a location on my back that would instantly start my perineum spasming, followed by worse HF... but... as soon as I would stand up and move around, my penis would relax almost completely, and stay that way for several minutes.

My TENS unit died, so I researched trigger point massage. One website suggested laying on a tennis ball and gently shifting your body weight, as to compress certain muscles with the ball. Doing this, I found trigger points in my lower back, legs, butt, and a MAJOR trigger near my perineum, about an inch over (I need to find some diagrams to better illustrate where I'm talking about.) Basically, it's between your "butt bone" and your perineum. If I got the tennis ball in the perfect position, my perineum would spasm LIKE CRAZY, followed by a sense of relaxation.

That area was very sore for a few days afterward, but my penis seemed to relax a lot during that time. I repeated this technique a few times, over the course of several weeks (trust me, if you get the trigger point correctly, you will be very sore.) My HF got better and better, and the entire pelvic floor felt relaxed for the first time in ages.

Then I started heavy-duty dosage on fish oil (2g oil, 600mg EFA, three times a day) and ginkgo biloba extract (120mg twice a day). This increased blood flow to my penis, and it no longer felt cold. I relax my pelvic floor whenever I notice it's tensed, and I am permanently avoiding kegels.

To summarize: my hard flaccid was definitely caused by a perineum injury, and massaging nearby muscles healed it.

Internal massage also helped greatly, but many guys are afraid to stick their finger in there... just remember that you can reach the trigger points much easier when massaging internally.

By the way, magnesium oil COULD provide additional help, but it's such a hassle to apply, I gave up on it... although I did notice good results, prior to my massage routine.

I really hope this helps. Good luck, and let me know if I was unclear.

Nice! I'd really appreciate it if you would submit this to http://www.hardflaccid.org so I can get it up there. It will help a lot of people. I'd also like to start comparing this to the other recent post we just had of a guy with a DIY cure that seems to have worked. Yours and his have some similarities that I'd like to explore.

Your case description is also very similar to mine. After weeks of fiddling with fish oil supplements I just confirmed that eating sockeye salmon is what does the trick for me. I'm not cured by a long shot, but that's definitely what seems to chill my inflammation out the most so far. I'm in physical therapy for my pelvic floor and after taking alpha blockers for two weeks it's completely relaxed the muscles down there to where I can't even find my trigger points. Bad part is that it's not truly relaxing them, it's just temporarily numbing them out, and not helping hard flaccid at all. As soon as I stop taking them all of the tension comes back. So now I'm dropping the meds and just focusing on finding my internal trigger points. Would like to pick your brain on your technique for getting up in there. I can't find a position that offers any kind of good movement or doesn't make me clench like a psycho.
 

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In response to technical, this premature ejaculation also takes place during masturbation I have now concluded. I used to be able to have like 10-15 min jerk off sessions, now i literally am done in one.
 

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Thank you so much for sharing! I got some questions:

Did you have any other symptoms than hard flaccid and cold glans?
How long did you recovery take?
If you had HF again is there something you would avoid?
Did you abstain longer of periods?

Thanks again

-The only other symptoms were pelvic floor spasms and overall tension.
-Recovery from massaging took about 3 months.
-I'm avoiding kegels and intense stretching.
-The longest I abstained was 2 weeks, but it didn't make much difference. I actually had improved HF with sex/masturbation 3 times a week.

Thanks sacc!

unfortunately with me (and im sure others too) im more of a visual learner...
but ill read it again a few times and hopefully itll sink in!

Also a question:
How long did you have HF before doing this routine of yours?
And hows your flaccid and perineum now?

-I had HF for 5-6 months prior to the routine.
-Flaccid is as healthy as I can remember. Of course it still gets firm when I'm cold or exercising, but not from just sitting around.

Nice! I'd really appreciate it if you would submit this to http://www.hardflaccid.org so I can get it up there. It will help a lot of people. I'd also like to start comparing this to the other recent post we just had of a guy with a DIY cure that seems to have worked. Yours and his have some similarities that I'd like to explore.

Your case description is also very similar to mine. After weeks of fiddling with fish oil supplements I just confirmed that eating sockeye salmon is what does the trick for me. I'm not cured by a long shot, but that's definitely what seems to chill my inflammation out the most so far. I'm in physical therapy for my pelvic floor and after taking alpha blockers for two weeks it's completely relaxed the muscles down there to where I can't even find my trigger points. Bad part is that it's not truly relaxing them, it's just temporarily numbing them out, and not helping hard flaccid at all. As soon as I stop taking them all of the tension comes back. So now I'm dropping the meds and just focusing on finding my internal trigger points. Would like to pick your brain on your technique for getting up in there. I can't find a position that offers any kind of good movement or doesn't make me clench like a psycho.

I will submit it to hardflaccid.org. Need to clean up my post a little first.

Send me a PM, you are welcome to pick my brain. :) Maybe you can help me figure out what exactly I was doing right, then post it on the hardflaccid website.
 

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Has anyone else noticed when they are getting a normal hang that their flaccid is smaller? Am I the only one experiencing a decrease in size here?
 

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Sacc and Obitoo if you guys could formulate some sort of tips or techniques for pressure point therapy/internal massage that would be great. I've heard a lot about it and read about it's benefits, but it's just not clear to me on how to start. I think combining the pressure point therapy/internal massage with my protocol and abstinence I might have a shot at curing this. It's taken a while but the more and more I read the more I like the idea that it's a general inflammation caused by pelvic floor disorder with a rise in PGE2.

Are you guys aware of any sites, or places with diagrams? I'm just trying to figure out how to start.

Checkout this study here;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11696740
 
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Has anyone else noticed when they are getting a normal hang that their flaccid is smaller? Am I the only one experiencing a decrease in size here?

My flaccid gets smaller when my scrotum shrivels up and bigger when loose saggy. My tedticles are retracted most f the day and its bothering me. Anyone know what to do to prevent this and get a normal hang?
 

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Thankyou for the reply sacc...have you found a diagram or picture to point out that major trigger point near the perineum?
even if you just draw it or something :)
 

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Thankyou for the reply sacc...have you found a diagram or picture to point out that major trigger point near the perineum?
even if you just draw it or something :)
This.

Just find a picture/diagram of the area online and paste the image into microsoft paint and like circle the area.
 

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File:Gray542.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The transversus perinei and ischio-cavernosus muscles. They can be massaged internally and externally (do both, preferably). Press gently until you find a reactive spot, then press that sucker hard for several seconds. It will either tighten, spasm, or relax. If you get any kind of reaction, that's a good sign you found it.

More details to come.
 

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File:Gray542.png - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The transversus perinei and ischio-cavernosus muscles. They can be massaged internally and externally (do both, preferably). Press gently until you find a reactive spot, then press that sucker hard for several seconds. It will either tighten, spasm, or relax. If you get any kind of reaction, that's a good sign you found it.

More details to come.
Just to clarify, are these muscles only on the right side, or are they on the left side too? Also, how do I know that when im pressing down and feeling pain, it's not a nerve?
 
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