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The question should have been do Caanuks think their medical system is better than the US .
I believe that would have got some different results'.

Cusp I have repeatedly explained how the public / private mix health system works it is geting tiresome

Austalia had a free trade agreement with US till Trump put a tarrif on .

The effect of the tarrifs will lower the standard of living for most US citizens in the short , medium and long term as far out as I can see..
Yes you have but if the system you have is so good why would there be a private sector? Oh because you want your medical issue taken care of and you didn't want to wait. Think about that; if you need a new hip you wait at least 3-4 month ( that's how it is in Canada) so in the meantime you stay in pain, don't walk and enjoy life? Really?
 

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I've answered so much of this already but you haven't responded to the points I've made or answered my questions.
Why shouldn't we compete not just for sneakers but any job? That industry seems to make money. Is that type of work some how beneath us?
It's about focusing resources on what they're best at and leveraging those advantages, rather than subsidizing disadvantages. With our labor rates, cost of land, and other inputs that go into manufacturing, we simply are not competitive in the sneaker (and many other) marketplace. This has been addressed.
How much for a mobile phone?So you're content on kissing that industry goodbye. You don't think with the technology we have we can figure out a way to make them cheaper? Sure we can but we have to give US companies the incentives to start a company. You can't just keep farming out industry no matter what you think of them. We can't compete with China on phones yet but we could if our companies were given the chance. Tariff the phones and use that money to invest in US companies.
No different than sneakers and t-shirts. Our resources need to be focused on invention and innovation. Our costs of production will never allow us to be competitive as electronic manufacturers. Why did we just this week exclude mobile phones and computers from tariffs? For the obvious reason that pretty much the entire market already understood.
We can't be the premier superpower for the good of this world if we become too dependent on the world for needed an important necessities. We need to make our own steel, ships, cars, tires, drugs and a host of other needed items.
We don't and decades upon decades of global trade have proven that. Once again, we are a prosperous nation because we have access to affordable goods, rather than having to produce them ourselves for meager wages. You want to go backward, to a time when the US employed very low-wage laborers and the quality of life was nothing even close to what it is now.

You ignored this question before but let me try again... What's going to happen to the price of coffee when tariffs are imposed on those coffee producing countries (Hint: If you're an avid coffee drinker, you're probably already seeing it).
With the right investment we should be able to make phones at the same cost as the Chinese and then the consumer gets to choose foreign or domestic. Hell one side may even lower the price to get more market share and the consumer will benefit.
No. It's not about investments. Our input costs far exceed the input costs of the Chinese. On top of all that, we have a very low unemployment rate and it's quite delusional to think that we can come up with anywhere near the capacity of labor that's required to do it. People are trying to explain this to Trump but he doesn't care.

And, again, Navarro is a renowned socialist economist. The fact that Republicans are somehow falling for that line of thinking now just blows my mind. If Biden had brought Navarro into his administration The Right would have absolutely lost their minds over it! And rightfully so, for all the reasons above.
As for your economists I have read some of their work as well as others. They for the most part operate in an ideal environment but that's not the world we live in is it? Cheaters like to cheat because it makes money
If you really read and understood them you'd know that they were describing the world we live in and were outlining trade and free market strategies to thrive in it.

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So if you need a new hip you get one .
 

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Funny you guys talked about t-shirts. Watched Shark Tank the other night and there was Damon John, very rich and very successful and he started his whole empire making t-shirts.
 

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Funny you guys talked about t-shirts. Watched Shark Tank the other night and there was Damon John, very rich and very successful and he started his whole empire making t-shirts.
Ya. That guy's tenacity and ability to market and to read the market is just amazing!

Of course, he wouldn't have been able to actually build that empire if he hadn't immediately partnered with an Asian investor and leverage the global supply chain for manufacturing. Nor would he have succeeded in that if he had to navigate crazy tariffs. His supply chain guru Kerim Kfuri makes all of that pretty clear, too. Kfuri isn't exactly someone I'd be leaning on to support a "tariffs are good for the economy" argument.
 

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please explain how medical professionals figure out if something is happening? do they not use peer review and publish in reputable journals? I'm trying to understand what you think is happening when a group like The American Pediatrics Association does the research and recommends to the government "please suggest people talk to their doctor about vaccination against measles, it is effective at preventing kids from getting sick with few to no side-effects." Or that the Covid is very effective at preventing more serious illness in people who contract the virus.

These people know what they are talking about, and the idiots who go on FoxNews or wherever and say that people shouldn't talk to their doctor about it are giving bad medical advice. They not the most honest medical professionals, if they even have medical degrees. Please dont trust them, for your sake.
Most of these scientific/medical organizations are compromised. I have zero faith in Western medicine.
Appeal to Authority has to be the most common logical fallacy.
 

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Which domestic model is 100% US parts and assembly? That was a rhetorical question because the answer is "none". Many models are more than 50% imported.
Tesla is 100% American made.
 

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Nope. Even they import a fifth or so of their parts.
Yes, some parts are outsourced. Because we lack the production of electronic parts over the last 40 years. It has all been outsourced, but not for long.
As far as 'made' in America, they are the only one that is 100%.
 

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Cusp your complaints againt universal health care are unfounded . If you want quicker service you can go private .

I have several times given you examples where universal care worked extreamly well for me that would have sent me broke in the US . I have also given examples where I did not wanted to wait ,wanted to pick doc or wanted to to set the date of surgury , in those cases I went private and paid for it .
By the way you can get insurance if you like to go private .
Easy to have free healthcare when you aren't financing most of the world's military defense.
 

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Yes, some parts are outsourced. Because we lack the production of electronic parts over the last 40 years. It has all been outsourced, but not for long.
As far as 'made' in America, they are the only one that is 100%.
So, again... Not 100%. When 20% to 25% of the car is imported it's not 100%, which was the point. The US can't produce those parts for anywhere near the same cost and attempting to do so is a fool's errand. We don't "lack the production" - we found a more economical way to do it. This is how comparative advantage works and the reason that the US is such a prosperous country. This is exhausting, continuously having to repeat these points while nobody answers them with a counter argument to point out how they might be wrong.
 
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Tesla relies on China for a significant portion of its battery supply chain, with roughly 39% of battery materials sourced from Chinese companies.Additionally, while Tesla builds most motors and batteries in the U.S., they still import other parts from China, including those for the Model 3 Long Range, which has approximately 40% Chinese content. For other models like the Cybertruck, this percentage is lower, around 20 %, with parts like seats and dashboard components potentially being sourced from China
Globally, Tesla's mega factory in Shanghai has consistently produced over half of all Tesla electric cars in the last few years, contributing around 51% of global production
 

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Not2big that is so funny .

I expect Tesla to go bust so I wonder what the Chinese will do with the factory?

Things look dour in US and parts of eastern europe . Does anyone have comment on India or other parts of the world that might be considered to follow the western model ?

Importantly does anyone see positive signs anywhere in the world ?
 

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Tesla relies on China for a significant portion of its battery supply chain, with roughly 39% of battery materials sourced from Chinese companies.Additionally, while Tesla builds most motors and batteries in the U.S., they still import other parts from China, including those for the Model 3 Long Range, which has approximately 40% Chinese content. For other models like the Cybertruck, this percentage is lower, around 20 %, with parts like seats and dashboard components potentially being sourced from China
Globally, Tesla's mega factory in Shanghai has consistently produced over half of all Tesla electric cars in the last few years, contributing around 51% of global production
A perfect explanation as to why we should build our own stuff.
 

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A perfect explanation as to why we should build our own stuff.
Despite all the reasons that have been given for why we shouldn't (which, again, still haven't been refuted).

There's a reason the bond market and dollar are performing as they are. This was predictable and predicted.
 

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A perfect explanation as to why we should build our own stuff.
That is if you want to pay significantly more for your next car.

The rest of the world used to consider the U.S. the safe haven to park finds during times of uncertainty; however, the need to raise interest rates of US government bonds during the past week or so indicates that the rest of the world no longer looks to the U.S. as a safe place to invest in. That doesn’t bode well for reduction of interest on our outstanding debt.
 

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How would the western world limit the recession to US.
 

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It's hard to imagine being able to mitigate the risk in such a short period of time, given the extent of international interdependencies and exposure to the US dollar. As we're already seeing, step one is probably to strengthen trade agreements with other countries and remove as many barriers to free trade as possible. But that can only address so much. I'm no banking expert but I would think that selling off US currency and perhaps buying back their own (for some that may not be fiscally sound, though) is something being seriously considered. And then whatever can reasonable be done to strengthen their own economy, stimulate demand, etc...
 
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Despite all the reasons that have been given for why we shouldn't (which, again, still haven't been refuted).

There's a reason the bond market and dollar are performing as they are. This was predictable and predicted.
As Adam Schiff used to say the facts are readily apparent to see.
Cars can become more expensive or even not available at all if parts are withheld. How can you build a car if the country you get parts from decides not to sell them to you? How bout a tank? You seem to think the world is just one big happy place and countries will trade based on their interest in making money. That only goes so far; they may get a better offer somewhere else.
Before we became energy independent the Arabs used to love selling us oil. They made lots of money. Then they got mad at us and started an oil embargo. You are probably too young to remember waiting on line for 2-3 hours to get 2 bucks of gas. Talk about supply chain issues; can't have trucks bringing food if there's no fuel.Vacations cancelled,commuters walked a mile or two to get on the train to go to work instead of driving to the station and it was cold.
We get most of our PPE from China. During covid the Chinese didn't have enough for their people so we got put on back order. So who cares if we don't have the stuff we need to protect ourselves; we can just die.If a country can't protect it's people then there is no real need for that country.
We make about 4 % of medication needed to keep some of us alive. Of course the 96% we don't make will always be available to us by the countries that make them right? Can you be sure about that? Would you bet your life on it?
Rare earth minerals; they seem to be important for lots of things including weapons to defend ourselves. China supplies most of the world (although we have vast deposits) but right now the Chinese seem to be mad at us so they won't send us any. Think; dependent on things we need to defend ourselves from our enemy. Not smart.

You have an idea of this world that it's one big happy place and we all need each other to survive. That may be true in a hundred years or so but not now. Most countries are out for themselves as is attested to by their placement of tariffs on things from other countries.
The leader of a country's primary job is to protect the people. How do you protect them if you don't have the medIcine or PPE? How do you protect them is you don't have what's needed for defense weapons?
You cannot be a great nation if your country cannot provide the basics for your people. A great nation must be independent and trade as a luxury and not a necessity.
 
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So, again... Not 100%. When 20% to 25% of the car is imported it's not 100%, which was the point. The US can't produce those parts for anywhere near the same cost and attempting to do so is a fool's errand. We don't "lack the production" - we found a more economical way to do it. This is how comparative advantage works and the reason that the US is such a prosperous country. This is exhausting, continuously having to repeat these points while nobody answers them with a counter argument to point out how they might be wrong.
You are making the point for why we should produce these things here. So we aren't reliant on any other country for materials, supplies and parts. It's a national security issue.