OK, now it's evident the coo-coo train is off the tracks, but out of curiosity , who's old and shriveled up ?
Please, enlighten me.
Andractim
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OK, now it's evident the coo-coo train is off the tracks, but out of curiosity , who's old and shriveled up ?
Please, enlighten me.
Hey Experimenter!
I may be old but I ain't shriveled. I have actually gained almost an inch in length and girth without the "aid" of a cream. However, feel free to waste your money on creams that the scientific community has thoroughly debunked. Perhaps your "growth" resulted from manual exercises.
I may be old but I ain't shriveled. I have actually gained almost an inch in length and girth without the "aid" of a cream. However, feel free to waste your money on creams that the scientific community has thoroughly debunked. Perhaps your "growth" resulted from manual exercises.
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That is no way to respond to someone who is trying to help you and share his input/experience with you and the membership, respect is mandatory around here, you may express yourself and ideas, but only in a respectful manner, posts like that will get you nowhere.
There is no point in joining a discussion if you are not willing to read/discuss different opinions.
Take your time and read around the forums to get a good idea of this site, its membership and how everything goes.
Assuming he is willing to deviate from his fervent discussion of Andractim, the next lesson may not be no where, but simply in a far away land from here. People like this, who run on the board acting like they are the only opinions to count - really have a way of inert stubbornness. It usually doesn't last long, but we'll see.
Oh trust me he'll come back and be sweet and kind and considerate for the other members. I guarantee it!
has anybody here actually ever heard of someone increasing the size with the help of hormones?
There is a lot of discussion in Andrology journals about the end of penis growth and the fact that it seems to be independent from the down-regulation of the androgen receptor unlike in the rat.
Rats AR down-regulate and therefor it is "of importance" how much hormone are present during puberty so to speak.
Humans AR in the penis down-regulate at about 23 to 25 years old while most guys reach their penis size at about 15 to 18 year old if they got sufficient hormon levels. So consequently , adding a lot of hormones would only yield proportionally small results if any.
That is how i understood the present opinions of the scientific community.
There is a lot of discussion in Andrology journals about the end of penis growth and the fact that it seems to be independent from the down-regulation of the androgen receptor unlike in the rat.
Rats AR down-regulate and therefor it is "of importance" how much hormone are present during puberty so to speak.
Humans AR in the penis down-regulate at about 23 to 25 years old while most guys reach their penis size at about 15 to 18 year old if they got sufficient hormon levels. So consequently , adding a lot of hormones would only yield proportionally small results if any.
That is how i understood the present opinions of the scientific community.
What evidence is there that "human A'R's downregulate in the penis" - please Doc, do elaborate where you found this information!? I'd like to know.
Critical androgen-sensitive periods of rat penis and clitoris development
The animals receiving T just end up with the same values earlier (speeding up puberty?). The only critical phase would be prenatal.
The effect of testosterone on androgen receptors and human penile g... - PubMed - NCBI
here the foetal penises attached to rats do not grow more compared to the normal-T group.
so would this back up the thesis that you just need sufficient androgen during puberty while boosting it a lot would not yield benefits?
Not considering side effects with estrogen etc.
There are other studies that show that the penis stops growing while the AR is still upregulated compared to adulthood (where it is not completely downregulated either).
so nobody has any experience as to steroids abuse results in significant penis growth?
30 percent of US high school athletes got experience with steroids.
Someone must have some knowledge
30 percent of US high school athletes got experience with steroids.
Someone must have some knowledge
This thread wasn't about steroids, and certainly steroid "abuse" is not going to result in growth, if anything, due to HPTA shutdown and adrenaline overload - ridiculous doses of steroidal compounds would likely result in shrinkage...even DHT compounds which are said to result in growth do the opposite at super high doses - especially if you aren't otherwise healthy from a vascular perspective - therefore moderate doses make sense...high doses, not so much.
ASK ANYBODY what they think of masteron or other DHT analogues at anything more than 400 mg E3D; THEY WILL MOST LIKELY tell you that after that dose, their libido goes out the window and they have either shrinkage or lethargy - EVERYTHING IS ABOUT BALANCE....!
Sorry if i misunderstood but i posted those links cause i thought that is not about "the more agonist i get into the system till ,let s say, 18 , the longer the penis becomes" but rather about " having sufficient levels of T or DHT ,even in the low-normal range , of course not being castrated, that leads to roughly your genetic penis size at either 16 years old or 21 years old".
To me , this would also explain why some guys reach their final size at 16 years old ,some at 15 and some ,like me, after 20.
reason i wonder:
Due to the big-dick-craze of modern females it will probably be a common phenomenon to hormonally enhance males during puberty by 2 years time.
Due to the big-dick-craze of modern females it will probably be a common phenomenon to hormonally enhance males during puberty by 2 years time.
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There is no "big-dick-craze" among females, if anything, they try to explain to males that size does not matter, at least not in the way you think it does.
I am not sure how you got to that conclusion!? :bad:
Human beings are different and that should be respected, adults do care for, protect and raise their kids, not experiment on them and treat them like that!
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lol, "the big-dick-craze of modern females." Also known as the small-dick-insecurity caused by porn.
The bottom line is that any girl you deal with on this so called "big dick craze" (I wonder where Ede is from) - unless you are dangerously below average - should not matter unless they are a hoe or complete upside down ghetto trash. If anything else - and not what I have already mentioned - then they are stuck up at the least!
Girls that have the wrong idea- but yet interestingly, are the same ones who also want "the best of both worlds", and probably bitch about relationships (the good and the bad)and such...it is very difficult to find a younger girl who doesn't think this way..however, I only like young anyway.
between 17-23 (depending on your country, state etc) is usually a good age range, but to find a unique girl as well would be a wonderful thing ----- how many people actually go out to find a unique and compatible personality.....this society is so impatient its pathetic.
The bottom line is that any girl you deal with on this so called "big dick craze" (I wonder where Ede is from) - unless you are dangerously below average - should not matter unless they are a hoe or complete upside down ghetto trash. If anything else - and not what I have already mentioned - then they are stuck up at the least!
Girls that have the wrong idea- but yet interestingly, are the same ones who also want "the best of both worlds", and probably bitch about relationships (the good and the bad)and such...it is very difficult to find a younger girl who doesn't think this way..however, I only like young anyway.
between 17-23 (depending on your country, state etc) is usually a good age range, but to find a unique girl as well would be a wonderful thing ----- how many people actually go out to find a unique and compatible personality.....this society is so impatient its pathetic.
I am from Europe and i would certainly spot that distinct craze due to porn which women nowadays devour energetically. Modern feminism which tries to reconcile independence id est advantages like closing the pay gap with animalistic sex calls for big penises.
Pathetically contradictory, that is.
Anyway:
You agree with that thought?
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Sorry if i misunderstood but i posted those links cause i thought that is not about "the more agonist i get into the system till ,let s say, 18 , the longer the penis becomes" but rather about " having sufficient levels of T or DHT ,even in the low-normal range , of course not being castrated, that leads to roughly your genetic penis size at either 16 years old or 21 years old".
To me , this would also explain why some guys reach their final size at 16 years old ,some at 15 and some ,like me, after 20."
I meant doping in the sense of moderate doses.
There is this one pic of the nude football player in the locker room who basically has a rather large penis and does look as if he had exagerated T-levels in puberty.
Thus , raising T would result in larger genitalia although it has been mentioned that downregulation is not necessarily what causes growth down there to stop
Do you realize how many receptors are in the penis? Of all kinds too!
Start with a few.
-Estrogen Receptors
-Androgen receptors.
-Progesterone receptors/Sigma receptors.
-Alpha 1 and alpha 2 adrenergic receptors. Each playing a homeostatic role, block one other is increased etc
-NMDA receptors.
-Oxytocin receptors.
-Dopamine receptors.
-Serotonin receptors.
That's just to name a few, and they all have differential roles...!
