Locating and Flexing IC Muscle

[Minuteman]

I played around a little with this and I can locate it to some degree but isolating will be another thing entirely. One way you can somewhat feel and isolate it but not for long is to get an erection somewhat close to PONR (so that it is as hard as it can be), and simply bob your penis continually. In other words engage the muscles necessary for your penis to rise then release it and then engage it again. It will start to bob. As you do this focus on the bob and after a while the other muscles will kinda tier out and you will be able to somewhat isolate it, however the more important thing here is to actually become aware of the muscle.

I am not fully sure of course but I think that is the IC muscle. I will leave to more experienced people to test it out and confirm or deny it.

 

[Pegasus]

You are being modest MM . I too am happy for new players to test this though.

 

[kazuma]

Could be ,but then some people do heavy squats all their lives with no hamstring work and have no issue , or heavy bench press with no r-cuff work and no issue. Some some people just get lucky.
Perhaps you are saying that the ic being a smaller muscle tends to be a weak point. So the bigger muscles woud take the work and the ic would tend to underdevelopment ,at least in some cases?

certainly seems to be the truth. Isolation allows it a chance to catch up. But it seems like isolation isn't the exclusive answer. When doing a semi-normal kegel I found that if I try to push the kegel forward that I'm using the IC more, giving the IC a chance to do hard work. Thinking 'forward motion' really helped for me. Other people of course might not find any sensical mental connection with that.

I played around a little with this and I can locate it to some degree but isolating will be another thing entirely. One way you can somewhat feel and isolate it but not for long is to get an erection somewhat close to PONR (so that it is as hard as it can be), and simply bob your penis continually. In other words engage the muscles necessary for your penis to rise then release it and then engage it again. It will start to bob. As you do this focus on the bob and after a while the other muscles will kinda tier out and you will be able to somewhat isolate it, however the more important thing here is to actually become aware of the muscle.

I am not fully sure of course but I think that is the IC muscle. I will leave to more experienced people to test it out and confirm or deny it.

I'm not sure if anyone is super experienced with the IC here, but your overall experience is much higher. Anyways, whatever it takes to become aware definitely seems to be the winner at first. I'm at a point to where I have a decent mental connection now (strength is another story). But there were many times where I 'semi-accidentally' worked the IC, then the mind/muscle feeling went completely away after a few reps. Kind of bizzare. But when I came back after rest the mind/muscle connection returned.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I find that standing with legs spread about shoulder length helps to isolate a lot easier. Sitting or any other position I flex the BC quite a bit.
Just a little update here as well. Been doing these flexes for 3-4 days now and my dick was a bit sore last night. This morning though seemed to be ok. My wife and I had sex this morning and my dick felt rock hard. More so than usual. I was extremely aroused so I thought for sure I'd blow maybe even by slight touching...never happened. When I penetrated I was able to thrust about 7 times before I blew. Doesn't sound like much but I usually blow as soon as I get all in.
After about 5 min or so I was rock hard again. Now a little background here, everytime it takes me that long to get hard again and we start again I blow within a min or 2. This time though I found myself in complete control and after about 15 min I decided it was time and blew.
I don't know if this means anything at all (after all it was after the first ejaculation) but it seems to hold some weight if you ask me.
By the way, I don't think I've ever been able to reach the level of EQ I had after the first round before. I think this is a significant step up. I'll keep you guys posted on future sessions.

 

[Kjack]

I find that standing with legs spread about shoulder length helps to isolate a lot easier. Sitting or any other position I flex the BC quite a bit.
Just a little update here as well. Been doing these flexes for 3-4 days now and my dick was a bit sore last night. This morning though seemed to be ok. My wife and I had sex this morning and my dick felt rock hard. More so than usual. I was extremely aroused so I thought for sure I'd blow maybe even by slight touching...never happened. When I penetrated I was able to thrust about 7 times before I blew. Doesn't sound like much but I usually blow as soon as I get all in.
After about 5 min or so I was rock hard again. Now a little background here, everytime it takes me that long to get hard again and we start again I blow within a min or 2. This time though I found myself in complete control and after about 15 min I decided it was time and blew.
I don't know if this means anything at all (after all it was after the first ejaculation) but it seems to hold some weight if you ask me.
By the way, I don't think I've ever been able to reach the level of EQ I had after the first round before. I think this is a significant step up. I'll keep you guys posted on future sessions.

So you mean to say that flexing IC has helped you in overcoming PreE and improving EQ? i have definitely noticed improvement in EQ and AOE.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I'm not ready to say for sure that its because of these flexes just yet. I've also been doing RKs as well for a couple weeks, plus other things, breathing techniques, stretching etc.
just encouraged by what I've seen so far after I've implemented these flexes. I'll know for sure the impact in the coming weeks.

 

[maelsukr]

I've been focusing on my IC .
I can get my dick to twitch and erect .
Getting better at locating it too .
Feels like getting my sac to retract , but not going all the way with it .
That's how I can isolate it , for me .
mael out !!!

 

[Minuteman]

I've been focusing on my IC .
I can get my dick to twitch and erect .
Getting better at locating it too .
Feels like getting my sac to retract , but not going all the way with it .
That's how I can isolate it , for me .
mael out !!!

Yeah it is somewhat like a front half kegel of sorts. The only way for now I actually know that I am working the IC muscle is by forcing it to bob up when erect, but as of yet there is no way for me to do it successfully when flaccid.

I'm not ready to say for sure that its because of these flexes just yet. I've also been doing RKs as well for a couple weeks, plus other things, breathing techniques, stretching etc.
just encouraged by what I've seen so far after I've implemented these flexes. I'll know for sure the impact in the coming weeks.

Can you perhaps in greater detail describe how you do this flexes etc?

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Here's what I wrote in another thread.

Here's something that helps me figure it out.
stand up with your legs about shoulder width apart. Put your finger under the penis by your sack. Go ahead and flex and feel your bc flex. Obviously you don't want that so try to "lightly flex" focusing on just moving the top of your penis. Keep feeling to make sure you don't flex the bc.
This flex should be light. Too hard flexes the bc. I do this flaccid and can see the top part of my penis kind of pulling inward.
Remember light flex and you should be able to isolate it.

Takes some practice. I've almost got it now where I don't flex the bc at all, and can start to hold it for a few seconds.
Hope this helps.

 

[ThrowAway99]

Here's what I wrote in another thread.

Here's something that helps me figure it out.
stand up with your legs about shoulder width apart. Put your finger under the penis by your sack. Go ahead and flex and feel your bc flex. Obviously you don't want that so try to "lightly flex" focusing on just moving the top of your penis. Keep feeling to make sure you don't flex the bc.
This flex should be light. Too hard flexes the bc. I do this flaccid and can see the top part of my penis kind of pulling inward.
Remember light flex and you should be able to isolate it.

Takes some practice. I've almost got it now where I don't flex the bc at all, and can start to hold it for a few seconds.
Hope this helps.

And how often + long have you done this workout before you saw progress? For example, should the isolated light-flex be done constantly for as long as possible, or continued repetitions throughout the day?
Your earlier post where you told about progress made after '3-4 days' of doing the flex is extremely encouraging, and for many (including myself), the holy grail of seeing -some- fast results. So yeah, a comprehensive post about your starting routine would be a huge help to the community and us as individuals - and then we can continue to tweak your starting program until it's just as helpful and popular as JP90's beginner program!

Huge thanks in advance.

 

[Minuteman]

Here's what I wrote in another thread.

Here's something that helps me figure it out.
stand up with your legs about shoulder width apart. Put your finger under the penis by your sack. Go ahead and flex and feel your bc flex. Obviously you don't want that so try to "lightly flex" focusing on just moving the top of your penis. Keep feeling to make sure you don't flex the bc.
This flex should be light. Too hard flexes the bc. I do this flaccid and can see the top part of my penis kind of pulling inward.
Remember light flex and you should be able to isolate it.

Takes some practice. I've almost got it now where I don't flex the bc at all, and can start to hold it for a few seconds.
Hope this helps.

A very nice explanation, I can see and sense that there are at least two muscles at work. I noticed this before but didn't pay much heed since the way I do kegel mostly covers both of them, I rarely just do kegel just as moving the area between the anus and scrotum (perineum I think) I mostly work the whole area, which is probably why I had a very good results with kegels. This just might be that missing thing.

I am not sure that this is the IC how ever it is definitely different than just moving the in the perineum area, so odds are it probably is.

I will work on this more and edit kegel master list with this updated knowledge when I feel concrete changes. While preforming a IC clench now is not hard, performing an IC hold while flaccid is still a task.

Reverse kegel in a way affects this area also as much as the area between the anus and scrotum, so I think that reverse kegel should still be used in order to decrease the stress in this area.

Can we now finally view the pelvic floor movement exercises (ic, kegel and root lock) as exercises focusing on individual muscles. In other words now including the ic clench, we have a kegel clench which is effectively a bc clench (although again I alway do my kegels as a combination of IC and BC clenches it seems) and the root lock as the PC clench. Is that correct?

I think I just might devote a month or so focusing only on IC clench (hold, towel raises etc) and reverse kegels (because there is no way I can do reverse IC without somewhat inflating the bc area) to see the effects.

 

[Pegasus]

The ic kegel flacid seems to fell almost like it is affecting the lower ab area right above the penis. I have also been working on isolated ic rk however my isolation isstill erractic. Again the rk as a group and front reverse kegel would both work this area ,but if we are trying for a isolated affect then it makes sense to include rk.

 

[Minuteman]

Bump.

I will try and bump this as soon as it leaves the first page since I believe that more attention should be put in this area so that the future routines that we develop here can be more optimized, and what is even more important more healthy since the focus of IC is more on the base of the penis and less on the moving the muscle that can in some situations irritate the prostate.

 

[X Black]

Great thread.
I've been talking about the Ischiocavernosus for ages,
https://www.pegym.com/forums/premat...-minutemans-kegel-master-list.html#post645539
glad to see it's having some attention now.

 

[Minuteman]

Great thread.
I've been talking about the Ischiocavernosus for ages,
https://www.pegym.com/forums/premat...-minutemans-kegel-master-list.html#post645539
glad to see it's having some attention now.

Yes I am glad too. That picture also nicely references the IC muscle location.

 

[sameel]

Is the following document of any use with respect to IC muscle isolation?

 

[Minuteman]

Is the following document of any use with respect to IC muscle isolation?
http://www.maennergesundheit.info/pdf/Handout-IC-Training-En.PDF

It has some unclear points, but it is a good resource, it will definitely be used for some new IC exercises. I urge others who are interested in IC development to read this document and also try out the exercises to see if they are hitting the spot. The general idea is to find a set of beginner-intermediate-master exercises for IC that are easy to describe and have a little chance do be done in the wrong way etc. Good work sameel.

 

[sameel]

(1) I have been doing an exercise like this:
Inhale, and push the pelvic floor like an rk and then at the same time clench a regular kegal. It does not feel like a regular kegal but still it gives a good exercise to the muscles. I am not sure but I think I am clenching the IC muscle.

(2) Whereas, the method described in this document is:
Inhale, and clench the buttocks like you are holding a coin between your buttocks or you are sucking rice through your anus.

I think both the above methods are similar with addition of buttocks squeeze which makes it more forceful and more clear.

I have seen a video on MMO where the only technique used was clenching the buttocks at PONR. I have done DO few times by clenching the buttocks with regular kegals. It just made the DO easy. Normally we are told to not use buttocks or any other muscles with kegal though.
In few porn clips, I have observed stars squeezing their buttocks while thrusting. I think clenching the buttocks has to do something with lowering the arousal.

What do you think?

 

[Minuteman]

(1) I have been doing an exercise like this:
Inhale, and push the pelvic floor like an rk and then at the same time clench a regular kegal. It does not feel like a regular kegal but still it gives a good exercise to the muscles. I am not sure but I think I am clenching the IC muscle.

(2) Whereas, the method described in this document is:
Inhale, and clench the buttocks like you are holding a coin between your buttocks or you are sucking rice through your anus.

I think both the above methods are similar with addition of buttocks squeeze which makes it more forceful and more clear.

I have seen a video on MMO where the only technique used was clenching the buttocks at PONR. I have done DO few times by clenching the buttocks with regular kegals. It just made the DO easy. Normally we are told to not use buttocks or any other muscles with kegal though.
In few porn clips, I have observed stars squeezing their buttocks while thrusting. I think clenching the buttocks has to do something with lowering the arousal.

What do you think?

Try the exercise erect, if it causes your penis to bob or move when doing the exercise chances are you are engaging IC muscle too, at least is seems logical to me that that is the case. Since the muscles are well connected almost any movement will cause the penis to move however each will have a different strength, it is my guess that one can use that along with the feeling around the base of the penis to notice if the exercise actually affects IC.

The root lock and the but-clench although seem the same are different. The but-clench, when done right does not engage the pelvic floor muscles (try and see for yourself clench the buttocks but relax the anus etc).

The technique you are doing alongside DO is called bracing, where you use other muscles such ans abs and leg muscles to assist the kegel holds. While a good idea, it doesn't work out for everybody the same (for some it actually worsens the DO attempt and can lead to injuries because of improperly forced down ejaculation etc) and reduces the flexibility you have while DOing in the long term it is a better idea only to use kegel hold for DOs (or whatever hold that is used when doing towel raises, which includes IC too). In general once you actually have the DO down and know instinctively how it works you can mix and match many things with a greater chance of success.

It is a good idea to look for some "hints" when watching porn, for me it helped finding out many cues (I wrote here about the breathing techique partially influenced by porn to name one). I think that I am going to focus on clenching buttocks and it affects on my arousal in the several next sessions, so thanks for the idea.

 

[pr123]

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