Bathmate Doesn't Work

[TheSnitch]

I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I don't think the Bathmate works. I do not believe for one second someone gained 3 inches using the bathmate and the bathmate only.

Also, I think having the padding close to your spermatic cord is dangerous. If positioned wrong you could really harm yourself.

I've never found that the Bathmate keeps your penis erect by positive blood flow because of suction. If this isn't the case, than all it's doing is causing the layers of skin to expand and appear bigger because of fluid build up. I think those who have had success with the bathmate have had so because of other methods being used.

If you have gained, really gained, from the bathmate and the bathmate only then please let me know. Outside of some serious proof and not claims, I'm going to have to recommend not buying one.

I've never used another pumping device, so I can't blanket my statement but if the bathmate works on the same principles as other pumps then I would have to include them also.

 

[BTBrian]

I've never heard of anyone claiming gains strictly off of the bathmate but lots of people claim it's a great ADDITION to their routine. Maybe similar to how nobody has gained from warmups but they're a great addition to a routine? I've never tried a bathmate so I can't really say anything here though.

EDIT: If bathmate doesn't work then I would think the same would be said for any regular pump right? They use the same exact method for growth (putting your penis into a vacuum of sorts). The only difference is water. In my opinion, water would have 2 effects: (1) I personally find it's harder to maintain an erection in water, so maybe this is why you can't maintain an erection in it. (2) If you use hot/warm water you can keep everything hot the entire time which I would think would make it more effective.

That presents a bit of a give/take, which is more effective for gains: an erection or heat?

 

[Padawan787]

I plan on buying one just to use it as a warm-down as I shower after my routine anyway, if I gain that is great, if not i'll be glad of having a larger flaccid hang anyway

Also, pumping is supposedly good for girth so I might as well try it since that is my main goal

 

[Metroman35]

I have one and love mine. I don't use it alone but rather as a warmup, for internal stretching and warm down. I've been steadily climbing up it over the course of 2 months using it. I do believe you can make gains just using the bathmate, but believe they would come much slower.

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this but how can you say something doesn't work without trying it for yourself. Am I suggesting you goad buy a bathmate or any other pump, no. If you make significant gains through manuel work, great But there are plenty of people who say manuel PE doesn't work. I think we can all agree that it does because we know from experience.

 

[BTBrian]

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this but how can you say something doesn't work without trying it for yourself. Am I suggesting you goad buy a bathmate or any other pump, no. If you make significant gains through manuel work, great But there are plenty of people who say manuel PE doesn't work. I think we can all agree that it does because we know from experience.

I think he has used a bathmate, he just hasn't used any other kind of pump

 

[Metroman35]

I think he has used a bathmate, he just hasn't used any other kind of pump

Fair enough. My mistake.

 

[TheSnitch]

The thing about warm down too, is I was recently informed and corrected on the procedure for warming down. Remek the founder of the site, who wrote the book Exercising the Penis - is a proponent of cooling down not warming down and his reasoning makes sense.

So using the bathmate as a warm down device might not be the best method. In addition, when I use my bathmate for warmups, after 10 minutes, I've noticed the water has turned less than lukewarm, not really cold but just no longer hot. So I wonder how useful it really is at getting your penis to the 110 degrees (I believe that's the degree) suggested before working out.

I think the Bathmate works off of the premise that we WANT to believe in, that we can stick our dick in a cylinder and make it grow. No work necessary. I just don't see cause of purchasing one or suggesting others purchase it. Especially when the risk for injury is so high. From now on I'm an opponent of Bathmate. It just doesn't make sense.

And, as I mentioned in my first post if other pumps work off the same premise without any real addition to how it causes the penis to "grow" then I'm going to have to suggest they don't work either.

As with most things in a capitalistic country, we find someone that works then we try and build a machine to do it for us and hope we get the same results. Physically manipulating the penis tissue is the only thing I think works - and the Bathmate doesn't do that but on a surface level.

 

[NP97]

The bathmate is great.
When I used it I usually warmed up, stretched, use my BM, then jelqed. By itself, I think only flaccid gains will come (using it in the way stated in the box) but with other PE methods added... it works very well.

Temporary gains are amazing, but you do gain. It takes time, but it happens.

 

[TheSnitch]

The bathmate is great.
When I used it I usually warmed up, stretched, use my BM, then jelqed. By itself, I think only flaccid gains will come (using it in the way stated in the box) but with other PE methods added... it works very well.

Temporary gains are amazing, but you do gain. It takes time, but it happens.

It's been a while since I've seen the video but the guy who sells it on utube, claimed to have gained 3 inches from it alone and in a few months?

Just seems really sketchy. I'm open to other examples of growth, and everything I've said so far was geared towards erect growth or girth, I didn't really consider it's effect on flaccid gain and that for some guys is their purpose for PE.

I just seemed to get even more from clamping than I did the bathmate, and it seems to attempt to work off the same premise.

 

[Steve23]

Well jelqing pumps your dick full of blood as well as uli's and clamping by keeping the blood in it similar to the vacuum of a pump, so why would you think those would work for permanent gains over time but pumping won't?
I never pumped nor do I ever plan to, just want to know your thoughts.

 

[BigO]

I can say for a fact that pumping can and will provide gains. If you insist on disregarding claims and will only accept proof then you must be that way with all forms of PE. Jelquing if done propperly continuously forces the engorgement of blood in the penis causing expansion and over time the result is the ability to hold more blood with in the penile chambers. Pumping does the same thing, only it is using vacuum pressure to draw the blood as opposed to pushing the blood. If done correctly the forced engorgement of the penile cavities and blood vessels will eventually result in greater size. The biggest difference is that jelqung has somewhat of a stretching factor by virtue of the pulling involved.
If one uses a stretching routine then pumps it is not only the stretching that provides length, it is the stretching followed by the constant pull from the vacuum of the pump, together they will give length. Pumping alone would more than likely provide girth gains but they are still gains and are permanant.
You will not stay the same size as you are while in the tube but overtime you will grow. I hate to have to say this but it sounds as if you are just taking a wild guess at something that you know very little about and if you have pumped it has not been enuff to have an informed opinion. I am not a big fan of the idea of bathmate beng better and I dont like the fact that it has a limit in the vacuum it can create but even the bathmate can be used in a way over time that would result in gains

 

[TheSnitch]

My dick has never stayed hard in the Bathmate, I've even tried watching porn with it. (That could just be me though.) I don't think the bathmate does a good job of keeping blood in your penis as much as clamping does.

Jelqing uses the blood to force your tissue to expand more and more over time, the bathmate is a stagnant suction and I just don't see how it could possibly do the same as clamp/kegels and jelqing to the actual tissue. It's not forcing blood to move and it's not really keeping the blood at max expansion to cause tissue growth.

I think bathmates largest contribution is to the actual skin, so maybe it's a good device for flaccid and skin expansion to reduce stretch marks. But, I don't think it contributes (on it's own) to actual growth. Just don't see the purpose in suggesting anyone buys an expensive device when they could buy a 2 dollar clamp that does the same thing but better. If you're ready for pumping you're ready for clamping.

I also think a lot of new guys are leaning towards devices before it's time, and when they don't see real sustained permanent growth, they'll think PE is a waste all together.

 

[TheSnitch]

I can say for a fact that pumping can and will provide gains. If you insist on disregarding claims and will only accept proof then you must be that way with all forms of PE. Jelquing if done propperly continuously forces the engorgement of blood in the penis causing expansion and over time the result is the ability to hold more blood with in the penile chambers. Pumping does the same thing, only it is using vacuum pressure to draw the blood as opposed to pushing the blood. If done correctly the forced engorgement of the penile cavities and blood vessels will eventually result in greater size. The biggest difference is that jelqung has somewhat of a stretching factor by virtue of the pulling involved.
If one uses a stretching routine then pumps it is not only the stretching that provides length, it is the stretching followed by the constant pull from the vacuum of the pump, together they will give length. Pumping alone would more than likely provide girth gains but they are still gains and are permanant.
You will not stay the same size as you are while in the tube but overtime you will grow. I hate to have to say this but it sounds as if you are just taking a wild guess at something that you know very little about and if you have pumped it has not been enuff to have an informed opinion. I am not a big fan of the idea of bathmate beng better and I dont like the fact that it has a limit in the vacuum it can create but even the bathmate can be used in a way over time that would result in gains

This thread is certainly directed towards the bathmate. As I mentioned I don't use other pumping devices and don't know how they work or have experienced how they work. Maybe the limiting factor for the bathmate is it's limit on suction. I've been trying to say Bathmate and not pumping in order to not exclude all devices.

 

[BigO]

I was addressing the fact that you tossed in regular pumping as well, not meant as an attack but wrather to say how culd you say they dont work. The claims are always bullshit to some degree. I have a regular pump and I dont stay hard in it either. You just need to enter hard.

 

[Farm Dog]

I have been using the Bathmate for about 7 months now. I began by doing the 90 day jelqing/stretching, then started using the Bathmate for 25 minutes after jelqing and stretching for about 15 minute. I believe the Bathmate has helped with girth, and with permanent flaccid length gains. I have not had any significant erect length gains in the last several months, and have sort of hit a plateau. However, I beleive the Bathmate is a safe alternative to vacuum pumping. I would not use a vacuum pump because I feel it can lead to injuries. The Bathmate suction is self-limiting, so you really can't get a dangerously high vacuum with it. I will continue to use my Bathmate. I always warm up with a flax seed sock, and warm down afterwards.

 

[BigO]

A conventional pump with a guage is safe as well, the pump isnt responsible for hurting ones penis, the operator is!

 

[somebodyelse]

A conventional pump with a guage is safe as well, the pump isnt responsible for hurting ones penis, the operator is!

I agree completely...

I said, from the outset, i wanted this to be a completely free experience for me. I made tremendous gains in BPEL in my first couple of months then I stagnated.

After a while I figured, I was okay with my 8.75" length, achieved by manual exercises and i wanted to work on girth. After many days of tired hands, i went to vacuum pumping. not bathmate, but actual pumping...

gotta say, i should have done this SOONER! vacuum pumping (when done with some common sense) is as safe as jelquing as its premise is the same... It draws the blood into the penis and it makes the penis expand. it's not all skin swelling in my case. I have a genuinely larger erection when I leave the tube. The muscle is expanded for a while then it contracts again.

I've been pumping since december 2011 I've gained about ALMOST 1/4" in girth. on a dead start (morning erections if i have them are generally smaller than mid day... I go by those morning erections)

 

[Ravenously]

Well jelqing pumps your dick full of blood as well as uli's and clamping by keeping the blood in it similar to the vacuum of a pump, so why would you think those would work for permanent gains over time but pumping won't?
I never pumped nor do I ever plan to, just want to know your thoughts.

Jelqing, ulis and clamping all expand the cc and cs with blood. Pumping causes some expansion of the cc and cs, but most of the expansion is lymph fluid in and under the skin. That is why pumpers sometimes have "squishy" erections and the dounut. In my experience, pumping work well for conditioning and as a warm up.

 

[BigO]

Jelqing, ulis and clamping all expand the cc and cs with blood. Pumping causes some expansion of the cc and cs, but most of the expansion is lymph fluid in and under the skin. That is why pumpers sometimes have "squishy" erections and the dounut. In my experience, pumping work well for conditioning and as a warm up.

This is exactly why many long time pumpers who have had good gains will tell you to stay at low pressure and try to stay hard while in the cylinder, because pumping too high is much more likely to draw lymph fluids. pumping at lower ranges is better for gains than high pressure. However one can be decieved because high pressure is geared more to instant gratification.

 

[thenewdude]

The bathmate or pumping was never meant for permanent gains at all even though it could be used in the routine but should never be used for the gains alone. I have known a few dudes how used the pump and have found hard erection issues down the line because it was not designed again for permanent gains or to be used for permanent gains but rather help to fatten the penis before sex which is temporary.
If you use the pump, cool (each to his own) but be careful.