Desperately need advice on premature problem!!

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Hi - Please don't be scared of the length of this post! I'm a decent writer and I just want to give a full account so i can get the best possible advice most tailored to my particular situation. Thanks in advance for reading!


I stumbled onto this forum a couple of hours ago after having a really embarrassing go with my girlfriend (we're talking like a couple of thrusts) and I decided enough is enough. I've spent these last couple hours just absorbing information from tons of posts on here, and i think i have a good idea of how to start fixing this problem. First though, let me give a brief history.

My premature ejaculation problem is probably the result of a somewhat unorthodox sexual relationship with my first girlfriend. We started having sex at 16, and i clearly remember NOT ejaculating quickly the first time, which amazes me to think about now. The thing was, she quickly learned she REALLY disliked pure vaginal sex, it was always painful for her (and no, i'm not exceptionally large or anything). So, we improvised various ways to get her off (a lot of times it being her on top riding her clit on my shaft), and then after she came it was my turn, which basically took the form of "do what you must: the quicker the better". I dated her, and we had sex like that, for SIX YEARS until we broke up when i was 22. It seems kind of strange and unhealthy now, but what did i care? i didn't know any better, and i was still getting more consistent action than basically anyone else i knew.

As you might expect, when i started hooking up with other girls after we broke up, i quickly realized i had a problem. I think I had sex with about five girls before meeting my current girlfriend, and with each of those girls i somehow managed to hide the premature ejaculation. This was made easier by the fact that we didn't use condoms, i was usually drunk, i can stay hard after coming, and i can have multiple orgasms in, say, a one hour session. With my next (and current) girlfriend it was not really an issue at first, we both agree that the first night we had sex was by far the best sex either of us had ever experienced. What she didn't realize at the time was that i had already come inside her once before the orgasm that we shared 25 minutes later.

However, as time has gone by (i've now been dating her about a year and a half), it has become more of an issue. In the beginning of our relationship, we were having sex so frequently that bit by bit i was lasting longer and longer (still not "long" but at least long enough for us to both enjoy it for a few minutes), and i would still be able to come a second time without really any time to recoup. Now that the frequency of sex has slowed down though, i find myself back to ejaculating extremely quickly. On the flip side however, it has become harder to produce the second orgasm.

So now i'm without what i considered to be my saving grace after ejaculating quickly, and my confidence in bed has tumbled downhill. And besides, basically "giving up" the first orgasm and relying on staying hard and hoping for a second is kind of lame, and can ruin the romance and the spontaneity of the moment, especially when you have a girlfriend like mine whose sexual mindset is all centered on pleasing yours truly, and doesn't enjoy the full focus to be on her. We have openly discussed my issue, but it makes me uncomfortable and i usually send some misdirected anger her way, and i know it is because i am embarrassed, frustrated, and insecure about it. And it is a self perpetuating cycle, because you know EXACTLY what will be on my mind the next time we have sex. It is beginning to rob us of a good sex life.

SO enough about my history, lets discuss possible solutions! After reading about pelvic floor muscles and trying some kegel exercises, i think my main problem is an automatic, unwilling kegel "clench" response upon penetration. Sometimes before we're even having sex i can even feel the small lifts of my penis that clenching my kegel muscles produces. Its as if my body is trained to say yep, we have reached the destination, ready for takeoff! When i first tried a kegel, i thought "this is what it feels like when my penis is trying to come. its like its straining to come. i need to work on the OPPOSITE of this, and SUPPRESSING this automatic reaction". Is this what practicing reverse kegels will do for me? Or as a beginner do i need to first work on just toning and getting control of this muscle before i proceed to the next step?

I've also read about being able to clench your kegels super hard right at the moment of orgasm to put a kink in the hose and suppress ejaculation. I tried this while masturbating with an actually decent result seeing as it was my first day doing kegels (nothing came out on the first wave or two of orgasm, and then just a dribbling after that). Is the idea that you will stay hard and be able to orgasm again and ejaculate the previously suppressed semen after continuing sex a while longer? Is there a similar technique but using a strong REVERSE kegel?

I also read about the edging and ballooning masturbation techniques, which basically sound like a form of the start/stop method. I take it the goal of these is to help familiarize oneself with the point of no return, and controlling arousal? I may be wrong, but it seems like the closer i can come to mimicking the real thing in practice (tight grip, lube, porn) while controlling myself the better prepared i will be for actually implementing control in the bedroom?

PLEASE let me know if you think i am on track with all this. Are there additional exercises/techniques you guys can think of that may be helpful for me? What should i focus on? And most importantly... Do you think if i implement the things discussed above that i will actually have results??? Thank you.
 

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Hey there. I am sorry that you are going through this, but it is something that can be overcome. I am glad you have done most of your reading. That shows me you are intelligent and dedicated whereas most people just come and ask for help without reading and understanding what they have ahead of themselves.

I have been Edging (Start/Stop) for a little over 3 months now. I have gone from 30 secs (literally) to two and a half minutes on average. I know it is not a huge progress, but that puts me into a "respectable" zone. My next target is 5 minutes and eventually gaining complete control over my ejaculatory response.

For all these techniques to work, you have to have a right mind-set. Do the following:-
- Abstain from porn.
- Edge 4-5 times a week spending 20-22 mins each session. Switch positions while Edging--Laying on your back (7 mins), Standing upright (7 mins), On your knees/doggy style (7 mins)--try to have 4-5 PONRs each session--that's 1-2 in each position.
- Read up on ballooning and mix it with your Edging.
- Only ejaculate every 3rd session--it is very critical to success--tells your brain that ejaculation is not what you want--It also helps with gains, but that's whole another chapter.
- Never masturbate to porn.
- Have a healthy mind-set, don't stress over it--accept you have this condition and you are working on it and will succeed.
- Try ByggD's Arousal Control Program.
- A good Kegel/Reverse Kegel routine would help.
- Do not try DOs as of now. A DO (Dry Orgasm) is when to try to hold off your ejaculation using Kegel muslces. Practice Start/Stop for at least 2-3 months and also keep doing your Kegel/Rever Kegel routine all this time. I am sure in time you will have your pc muscles tones enough to achieve DOs<-- it'll be the next step in Edging, but don't jump to it as it is not something to be played with (the process puts serious pressure on your prostate and surrounding areas)

Hope it helped!
Good Luck on journey
Cris
 

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Cris, one quick post adressing only part of your post:

About the abstention from porn. I find that I'm very very easily overstimulated. I can last easily 15+ minutes while jerking off by myself in bed, but with porn, depending on the day, I can be anywhere from 0.5-15 minutes. This translates to relationships as well, where I will literally have precum after merely making out for a few minutes, let alone any penis contact. So in my mind, sure, I can go at it in the dark and silence, but if I can't do as well even with a video of sex, what am I supposed to do with an actual girl in front of me, if you get what I mean.
 

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ditto, pretty much. And i haven't read up much about the pros/cons of porn when dealing with premature ejaculation, but i see what Nerome is saying because intuitively i would think practicing arousal control with the next most stimulating thing besides an actual girl would be the best possible practice. but maybe this is flawed logic.

Another thing i didn't mention in my post was that i have no trouble lasting plenty long (basically until i decide to come) when getting handjobs or blowjobs. For this reason, i love getting head. i feel in control and not at the mercy of my spasming muscles. that power just goes out the window the moment i enter a vagina...
 

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Thanks Pegasus, that's super informative.

So after just two days of figuring out how to do kegels/reverse kegels, and doing some edging (without porn!), i have to say WOW! It feels great to understand exactly which muscles are misbehaving when i have a premature ejaculatory response.

Also, it seems like by doing almost constant reverse kegels (or maybe like every 10 seconds) i can really keep my arousal level under control. Although, to be fair, it is my first time masturbating without porn since like, the invention of the internet. So i'll take it with a grain of salt, but still, its confidence boosting.

I'm unsure how well this will translate to actually having sex, i dont really expect to have any results since i've only been aware of and dealing with the underlying cause for all of 2 days. However, i can see how with months of this stuff, and developing toned and controllable bc/pc muscles, one could really see some improvement. Glad i got started!
 

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Just adding on to my quick post above-

Due to general business, I actually didn't masturbate yesterday, so I was curious as to how long I'd last today, without porn. After ~12 ish minutes, I realized that I was nowhere near to coming, like, to the point where I couldn't cum, even if I kegel'd as hard as I could and jerked really quicky, which I normally can do to induce orgasm within 30 seconds (lots of bad habits built up - learning to seperate them and relax muscles, etc).

However, I remembered this thread, and decided to leave my bedroom and get on the computer and watch porn. I was near the PONR within a minute of normal, steady going at it. I paused the porn, my arousal decreased, and I could keep going for another 2-3 mins. Turned porn back on, near the edge again, etc, after one or two more times, I ended up just finishing to the porn.

But yeah, at this point, I believe a large percent of my issue is mental, in that whether its porn or a girl, I'm overexcited, whereas alone in the dark, I _am_ physically capable of lasting 30 minutes. I also cannot distinguish how much of it would be subconscious-physical linked (IE: auto-kegels due to arousal from video or wtv)

Cheers
 

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Why abstane from porn? Wont you just be that much more excited once it's actually happening in real life if you haven't watched porn for day? I use porn to help keep me hard during kegals/reverse kegals, and to keep me at a 70%-80% erection for some of my exercises. I see no down side in watching porn and cannot see why NOT watching porn would help you to last longer. The whole reason people don't last long is because growing up they just wanted to get to the "make you feel good" point as quick as possible. I feel a better exercise would be to slowly massage that "sweet spot" on the glans while watching porn. This will get your aroused quicker but during this time you can practice breathing and kegaling as to simulate the real thing. A lot of guys tense up while kegaling or jerking off. Breathing is very underrated, just one deep breath can postpone ejaculation for some time longer.
 

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I have always thought this too.

Although it's my understanding that eliminating porn is to help you retrain your brain into lasting longer, because its a lot easier to last longer without porn.
I believe once you've achieved mastery of your arousal without porn, that porn is a positive step forward for helping last longer during sex because there's a lot more stimulus to battle, or "become one with" if you want to take a philosophical approach :)
 

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Also, i think abstaining from porn is about re-learning a more natural arousal process, instead of going from zero to PONR quickly because you just turned on some hot girl getting pounded. So far I'm finding the lack of it when edging to be somewhat rewarding. I want to become confident in my techniques for lasting longer at least during no-porn masturbation before reintroducing it down the line... maybe in like a month.

The real kicker so far for me has been relaxing and preventing those unconscious/automatic kegels, i think that's where my problem lies.
 

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Porn screws you up big time. It's a giant recipe for inadequacy:

1. Your junk won't look or act like his
2. Your body doesn't look like his
3. Your woman won't slut it up like his
4. You won't last and bang like him
5. You won't blow like him
6. Your woman won't look like his

It also adds stress to your relationship. Think about this scenario. How many times have you flirted with your partner to have it not end up with sex and you get pissed. In porn and even TV it always ends up with sex.

You know they can run loops and edit scenes so in ones where the guy in real life maybe blew in 5 minutes (maybe even a different day) it looks like he's lasting an hour. I bet if I got with a chick, came quickly, an popped in some viagra to keep it hard and screwed without even being horny I could last much longer.

The following happen with watching porn:
1. You do it as discretely as possible. You turn it on, get hard asap and get off asap. This is bad training.
2. You are more turned on psychologically than physically so if you're with a real women your EQ can suck if she isn't some kind of freak
3. Since your EQ sucks you need to kegel to make it adequate, you do this then number 4 happens
4. You blow too quickly from a limp wiener.

Ohh, and this only snowballs your feelings of inadequacy.

Would you rather have raging EQ w/ your woman or with your computer?

Get off the porn!!
 

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Read your whole original post man and im in the same boat.

The thing that i can most relate to is that you said you didnt suffer from PreE at the start, nor did I. Before the girl im with now, I didnt suffer at all.


Now however I could literally be finished in under a minute, and i dont know why. I thought i did but recently my progress has gone down hill brining me back to this forum. I manage to drag the process out during sex by changing position etc but it ruins it me constantly saying lets try this position when we are getting in the flow..


I hate it, I hate it most as I have no idea why its happened. I thought it was because I was unintentionally holding a continuous kegel in certain positions such as me on top or doggy. So to counter that I started reverse kegel training which seemed to work slightly.

Recently I have bought some delay spray. This is what has set me back as it completely flaws my original theory of an imbalanced pelvic floor. Putting this spray on basically numbs the penis and allowed me to last 2 hours and at the end I actually couldnt cum.

That may sound good but I now have no idea how i should fix the problem. The spray basically makes me think my pelvic muscles are not the cause because this spray should not have affected that...

I just have no idea what is the cause and how to fix it..so for now i guess i will have to be reliant on this delay spray......

EDIT:
1. Your junk won't look or act like his
2. Your body doesn't look like his
3. Your woman won't slut it up like his
4. You won't last and bang like him
5. You won't blow like him
6. Your woman won't look like his

I dont see why cutting out porn helps....if anything watching it should aid. if you cum instantly watching porn you will have no chance at the real thing. how does me seeing some guy lasting for ages, his body better than mine, the girl doing things my GF wont, change why i cum so fast? Im almost 100% sure stress, worry or any other emotion isnt the reason i cum fast becuase during sex i never feel worried that i will cum fast as i have learnt how do drag it out, i just wish i didnt have too.
 
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You said since that spray numbed your dick and you couldn't cum, it led you to think that your pelvic floor muscles weren't the problem. I'm not sure if this totally makes sense though, because wouldn't your pelvic floor muscles be responding to a pleasurable feeling on your dick? So if your dick is numbed, you're not feeling any pleasure, so your pelvic floor muscles could care less whats going on. So putting that spray on DOES indirectly affect your muscles, know what i mean?

It's kind of like how i can last a little longer when i use a condom (or when i'm drunk), because it dulls the sensation. But i still think, for me, the involuntary kegel contractions are what's getting me.

Sounds like people have some very different views on the porn question. For me, i think i'll abstain for a while, but i can see the argument both ways.
 

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You said since that spray numbed your dick and you couldn't cum, it led you to think that your pelvic floor muscles weren't the problem. I'm not sure if this totally makes sense though, because wouldn't your pelvic floor muscles be responding to a pleasurable feeling on your dick? So if your dick is numbed, you're not feeling any pleasure, so your pelvic floor muscles could care less whats going on. So putting that spray on DOES indirectly affect your muscles, know what i mean?

True man, thank makes sense about my penis being numbed so my pelvic floor muscles doing nothing. However if i pull a kegel with the spray on, I still cant cum. Which makes me think the kegels didnt have an effect if anything only pushed me over the PONR?

Its confusing man but good luck in attempt to last longer.

Im also stopping the porn, I have no idea what is causing my PreE so doing anything that I think will help even if i dont understand why.
 

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Be warned if your problems may be porn related it could take some time reversing the damage.
 

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Be warned if your problems may be porn related it could take some time reversing the damage.

I dont understand how porn can cause a probelm? surley if i dont watch porn and then see my GF naked im going to to get aroused much faster because I have not seen anything since the last time i saw my gf?

How does porn create such a problem?
 

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I dont understand how porn can cause a probelm? surley if i dont watch porn and then see my GF naked im going to to get aroused much faster because I have not seen anything since the last time i saw my gf?

How does porn create such a problem?

It turns out I have no idea what I am talking about. Please disregard my post.
 

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So i had something of a setback last night... or maybe we should call it a reality check.

Had sex with my girlfriend, and despite thinking about TRYING to do reverse kegels during foreplay and sex, I found i was so aroused that they were much more difficult, and the relaxation of the PC muscle that it produced had a pretty much inconsequential effect overall. Long story short, i still came really quickly. I also realized how much more difficult it is to do reverse kegels when the rest of my body is so physically engaged via holding myself up, thrusting, touching her, or whatever. Multitasking is difficult while having sex...

I know i shouldn't feel too bad, as i've only been trying to fix my premature problem through what i've learned on this forum for about a week. I just had thought i was making such quick progress that its a little bit of a bummer.

I found that during foreplay almost ANY touch/friction on my penis caused an immediate kegel clench, and i was already feeling the tickling of my PONR as i went to penetration. It is such a foreign concept to NOT engage those muscles when about to have sex or during sex... its like the urge to breath when you're underwater too long, something that seems so obvious and natural. I shouldn't be surprised that i haven't unlearned this deeply embedded response in just under a week....
 

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I am glad you realize how these things take time. There is no quick progress in regards to Premature Ejaculation and such. I know how it feels, I have pretty much gotten over the urge to clench, but I still feel it at times.

Consistency is the key and I am certain you'll make great improvements.
 

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Yeah, don't give up bro! Keep improving!

+ hehe, love your username :D Perhaps contact minuteman? He'll gladly help you in your progress.