Whats the verdict on Mantak Chia's multi-orgasmic man here?

[pe_mystic]

I'm sure this has come up a hundred times (or not?) but I have been reading his book and am wondering about what people think about his methods and whether anyone has had success. I realize that he's NOT saying to kegal when your going to orgasm, but he does say something about squeezing the pc muscle and anus muscles in a way to push the energy back up the spine and to the brain. Is this correct? and i dont really see how to do this. And he says that edging works for PE and MO, is this true, whats the basis behind it? I've been trying to practice the the methods and what not but its kind of hard, he just expects you to know where each muscle is, and I can't even pinpoint this 'million dollar point', I don't think it matters though.

I haven't read the whole book, can anyone sum up what to do?




Thanks,

 

[Pegasus]

Sure sounds like a kegel to me.
I havn't read the book but a number of guys in the male multi orgasm(mmo) group have. They have been discussing it and his mmo style inside the group. You may be more suited to hard style mmo.

 

[Shanks]

I use and greatly enjoy his methods. Basically the multiple orgasm happens when you get near the PONR you stop and put the breaks on your PC muscles by kegling . This stops you from ejaculating, but you still feel the very pleasant penile contractions. So far mine have been very mild probably because in the past when I was wet ejaculating I was losing complete control so everything felt more extreme.

You use the draws when your sexual energy becomes too hot, for example when even if you stop, one or two strokes would push you over. You draw the energy up into your brain, which feels really good I might add, and when your brain is full you draw it downwards to your belly.

In the grand scheme of things, it helps with your PE because you not only learn your stages of arousal better, but you know when to stop to prevent tipping over into orgasm. It's also a lot of fun!

 

[Pegasus]

Uh huh so kegels and edging without the mystic words.

 

[pe_mystic]

So how exactly do you bring the sexual energy to the brain? And so its kegaling but before the PONR ahh I see. Some people think you kegal after to stop it, but that just puts the semen into the bladder, and for me when I tried that it didn't even work and felt weird, so kegaling before the ponr sounds good. I've also successfully quit porn! still i have PE problems in masturbation, and real sex is random in terms of when i come. Weird...

 

[pe_mystic]

Also he says basically to almost never ejaculate is the goal, anyone believe this theory? i think it holds some weight (no pun intended).

 

[second lensman]

I know he said anyone over 60 should never ejaculate so I certainly don't qualify for his methods being 62 and I'm not about to give that up.

 

[Pegasus]

I think it is unhealthy not to ejaculate.

 

[mvergasioin]

I think I will end up liking the best of both worlds, i.e. standard wet ejaculations and dry ones once my dry ones get more intense.

I have read a couple of his books and tried some of his techniques as best I could. I am seeing some definitive pe/mmo results as I try and digest what I read and and learn to make some of it work for me.

I am seeing many parallels between many of the basic Chia basic concepts and the better defined concepts and descriptors commonly used here in pe land. Kind of like ancient language as translated into modern more scientific terminology.

The concepts of energy movement as Shanks just described sounded really wierd to me initially but I find that I am feeling much of that energy as I learn and experience more and more via pe, reading, yoga, and meditation practice. To orgasm, whether it be traditional or dry, is to feel the surges of sensation that move through your body.

I think the Chia/Taoist tradition can co exist peacefully with our more modern traditions and understanding if we don't dwell too much on the finer details. What I think we have here in the forum is that different (but similar) strokes work differently for different people but our outcomes end up being quite similar.

 

[Pegasus]

As mv states, many guys on this site use "hard " style mmo. This uses kegeels and calls them kegels ,it uses reverse kegels and calls them reverse kegels and has a planed progression of edging. It doesn't use mystic terms.

 

[pe_mystic]

Wait, why does it matter what you call it? and theres differences between mantak and whats here, although a lot of similarities. Anyway lets say we speak in PE forum language, can you still answer the original post pegasus? or just here to troll mystical language... which hasnt even been used.

 

[Pegasus]

Ok so train you pelvic floor to be strong ,balanced and supple with out of sex training ,involving mostly kegels and reverse kegels. Follow a progressive system of edgeing to build up skill ,disicipline and timing.
This culminates, in you being able to use a strong balanced kegel, (or series of kegels/reverse kegels) with skill ,discipline and timing, to go through the ponr and achieve DO and MMO.
Some guys find various forms of breathing usefull for this, some do not . In hard form we do not get into energy flow.

 

[Pegasus]

You might find this of interest .

https://www.pegym.com/forums/groups/multiple-male-orgasm-dry-orgasms-d295-soft-style-mmo.html

 

[pe_mystic]

thanks a lot, reading it now.. what exactly is the fundamental dif between hard and soft? is hard kegaling after PONR or reverse?

 

[Shanks]

So how exactly do you bring the sexual energy to the brain? And so its kegaling but before the PONR ahh I see. Some people think you kegal after to stop it, but that just puts the semen into the bladder, and for me when I tried that it didn't even work and felt weird, so kegaling before the ponr sounds good. I've also successfully quit porn! still i have PE problems in masturbation, and real sex is random in terms of when i come. Weird...

Bringing energy to the brain feels different for different people, so it's difficult to write a step by step guide, some feel it as a tingling, so far I usually feel it as almost a bubble. I draw it to my sacrum by pumping the PC muscles, and then by using rapid breaths I can move it up to the back of my neck, and then into my brain. At first I had to use some make believe before I started to feel it, but now I actually do feel it as a physical sensation. Most of the time it feels pleasent, sometimes it feels very good, but it is something I actually feel happening.

As for not ejaculation, I think when learning it's best to experiment and not make an enemy out of ejaculation. So far every other day I'll wind up ejaculating becuase what I'm doing or watching is really sexy and in the moment I want to cum (So sue me ).

Keep practicing and experimenting, see what helps you. I like the "mystic" style, it's introduced me to a lot of great feelings and sensations, but I have nothing against the "modern" style.

 

[Pegasus]

thanks a lot, reading it now.. what exactly is the fundamental dif between hard and soft? is hard kegaling after PONR or reverse?

The standard method is a hard kegel a fraction before ponr.
If you think in in martial arts terms, hard would be shotokan karate. The application of force is fairly direct ,skill ,strength and timing and developed through driills abd training.
Soft would be tai chi where the application of force is often less direct and less obvious.

 

[Vlad]

I think it is unhealthy not to ejaculate.

I'm not sure if one should be too worried about this as if there's too much semen in the body, then the body copes with this by a wet dream.

 

[mvergasioin]

Bringing energy to the brain feels different for different people, so it's difficult to write a step by step guide, some feel it as a tingling, so far I usually feel it as almost a bubble. I draw it to my sacrum by pumping the PC muscles, and then by using rapid breaths I can move it up to the back of my neck, and then into my brain. At first I had to use some make believe before I started to feel it, but now I actually do feel it as a physical sensation. Most of the time it feels pleasent, sometimes it feels very good, but it is something I actually feel happening.

I am still working on feeling and moving the energy. I don't have nearly as much control over it as you seem to and I have gone from using some "make believe" as you say to really feeling it. For me it starts out as a definite tingling in my groin that moves in waves or washes of sensation up my body. Sometimes the energy movement is out my control, but I am learning to "move" it by "breathing" it up my spine and sometimes down my front. I am doing most of my energy movement learning or practice in day to day experiences rather than solely during edging. I then apply, practice, and experiment while edging. There are times, like during a portion of a yoga class earlier this morning, when the washes of energy turned into small involuntary "contractions" over most of my body for a short period of time.

All that being said, use of the Chia versions of reverse kegels plus good breathing skills have allowed me to pass over ponr into pure waves of sensation that to me are now separate from the still pleasant sensations of ejaculation contractions. I have historically ejaculated or "externally" DO'ed at the end of edging. I have decided to not ejaculate each and every time anymore since I can now do multiples without the harm to my EQ or refractory period that the "external" methods of DO Had elicited.

 

[OldRocker]

mvergasioin,

You refer to "the Chia versions of reverse kegels" and in the quote from Shanks he refers to "pumping the PC muscles". Would you say that you are both referring to the same thing? I have the Chia book and I don't recall any mention of "Reverse Kegels" by name but he could be inferring it in his (with a nod to Pegasus) "woo woo" way.

Either way it sounds to me like you are making splendid progress and I applaud your efforts.

Also, the yoga contractuions that you experienced; would you say that they are akin to the "Cool Draw" method that Chia refers to that you have developed through your practice with gaining a more acute awareness of your energy flow throughout your body?

Keep up the good work!

Cheers!

 

[mvergasioin]

Chia's scrotal compressions and testicular breathing automatically elicit very effective reverse kegels that seem to prevent contractions. Woo woo in name but in practice reverse kegels.

I don't think The yoga body mini contractions were a cold draw. I have felt "cold" only once or twice from my groin area and am a little hazy On the draw thing. My general hypothesis of a real draw is perhaps what Shanks
described earlier when trying to calm an arousal that could not be tamed. I think I may have approximated some warm draws but they are very very much a work in progress

I think quiet body awareness/focus, extreme relaxation, and openess to whatever might happen is a better explanation for the yoga mini contractions. It has happened to me also during a sacral cranial massage and during a few discrete times during edging.

Real pleased that we are progressing and learning.